Posts by pronomono

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stupid statement in watchtower about appointments of elders

by hoser in

after going through all the processes of how they appointed elders in the past they say this:.

"the elders in turn would inform the newly appointed men of their appointment, asking them if they were willing and actually qualified to accept the assignment.

so after qualifying the man you ask him if he is qualified.. .

pronomono

Like JWFacts, I was too embarrassed to turn it down too. I just had gotten through looking at dial-up soft porn - Kitana Baker was so fine! Just after disconnecting, my PO called and asked if there was any reason I couldn't be appointed.

"Ummmm, no?"

"Okay, great. We're going to announce you this coming Tuesday night.

At my last hall, they pulled me in right before the meeting started and asked me. Same thing. No porn this time, but my wife and I had gotten to know each other very well before we were married. I was too embarrassed to tell them that.

And this was about the time that I realized that we weren't appointed by holy spirit. Before that, I rationalized that Jehovah saw my heart and knew that my heart was in the right place despite my shortcomings. I figured that he was appointing me to give me the support I needed to hold an upright course. But the more the GB talked about how a MS was appointed and the qualifications found in the scriptures, I realized I didn't live up to any of that, but with their blinders, they thought I did. They just needed another body to fill a job and looked past all the obvious evidence that I wasn't where the GB said I needed to be spiritually.

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It's True: You Never Really Know What A Person Is Going Through

by minimus in

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people like robin williams can make you laugh.

we might think that they have it all but we really know nothing about their demons, their problems, their issues.

someone might be funny on the outside but be totally depressed from within..

pronomono

It's truly sad. I had a friend a while ago in a similar frame of mind (not a JW). He was a well liked guy, loved by everyone, made everyone except himself laugh and smile. He had his demons. He kept searching for happiness, but it became too much. He planned his suicide in the Arizona dessert taking in the beauty of nature.

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using kindle/ tablet/ iPad in meetings how to police?

by purrpurr in

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i've noticed about half my half are using these.

of course there's always the potential for people to be looking at things non jw on them.

are the society going to find a way to police this?

pronomono

As Dis-Member brought out, it is entirely possible to monitor network usage. Right now for free, no additional software installed, I can view the logs on my router showing who has been connecting to it and what they have been connecting to. I do this occasionally because I don't have MAC Address filtering on and want to be somewhat sure that someone isn't stealing my internet. But as Dismember brought out, chances are your KH doesn't have someone who knows how to acess or make sense of the data.

If you are really concerned though, keep a password on your device so that someone cannot get your MAC address if you happen to leave it unattended. Never volunteer your MAC Address. Let's expand this to never use your device on the KH's network, and place your device on airplane mode before you get to the hall so that it doesn't talk to their router. But if you do use their network, make sure that your device name could not identify you because some routers will store the device name and MAC address.

This only really pertains to what you do over the network though. It's much more difficult to determine what you are doing locally on your device without the aid of the mic guys.

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TUTORIAL: Proving the GB and Watch Tower is guilty

by Terry in

q: are you willing to admit the gb and the wts is wrong if the facts go against them?.

proof text.

proof text:.

pronomono

Brilliant tutorial. As always...Thanks, Terry.

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Disfellowed on 7/16/14 for sending a letter to my former congregation

by spbondgirl007 in

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it's been quite a while since i lasted posted anything on jwn.

i was in hiding previously, but only because i wanted to avoid the shun gun until i had the opportunity to tell my former congregation what i think about the org./gb.

i last attended a meeting over 2.5 years ago but it wasn't until june--when i earned my bachelor's degree--that i finally had the time to collect my thoughts and get them down on paper...i decided to write my letter in a style i felt would be most appealing to my target audience--jw's still under gb mind control --in the hope that at least a few would read it and actually "think".

pronomono

Excellent, well thought-out letter.

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Question about dinosaurs, prehistoric creatures, and the eventual appearance of humans.

by pronomono in

so i was watching shark week a little while ago and i got to the episode on prehistoric sharks.

they, of course, discussed megalodon, but they also talked about other sharks that were vicious, precise hunters.

then i started thinking about other prehistoric creatures..... t-rex, raptors, etc...... all vicious animals.

pronomono

DD, Very good explanation on where I've been thinking wrong for so long. So the fossil records???

StAnn, As a "good JW" I came to the same conclusion about the Big Bang and evolution as you were taught. I've always thought that there was an explainable link between science and the Bible, even when the GB said no. I saw no reason why these couldn't be the tools Jehovah used in creation. Take evolution for instance. If evolution wasn't haphazard, if it was controlled by a higher-power, no longer is it natural-selection, but it is creation through evolution. I realize now that I have absolutely no proof of this but accept it as a real possibility because there is nothing to disprove it.

ObjTruth, I can assure you my question is sincere. I'm a little goofy and that comes across in my posts sometimes. All posts will get an honest read. Behemoth is an excellent example of a creature that existed during man's lifetime. We have no proof as to what this really was. The GB says its a hippo, but the description does sound more like a diplodocus, but could easily have been an undiscovered-to-modern-man descendant of this dinosaur's family, or something entirely else. However, any mention of Behemoth goes hand-in-hand with Leviathan, which sounds much more different than the crocodile that the GB says it is. It evokes images of fear and trembling. If it was also a peaceful herbivore, there would be no reason to depict it as fearsome unless he's using his power to be master of his coconuts. Anyways, my OP is referring more to creation in the millions (billions) of years before human creation for which we have verifiable proof and fossil records, where many of those fossils give evidence that the creature was indeed a vicious hunter and killer. Granted, any rendition of a prehistoric creature is interpretation at best, but some very educated guesses can be made based off of fossil records.

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Question about dinosaurs, prehistoric creatures, and the eventual appearance of humans.

by pronomono in

so i was watching shark week a little while ago and i got to the episode on prehistoric sharks.

they, of course, discussed megalodon, but they also talked about other sharks that were vicious, precise hunters.

then i started thinking about other prehistoric creatures..... t-rex, raptors, etc...... all vicious animals.

pronomono

So I was watching Shark Week a little while ago and I got to the episode on prehistoric sharks. They, of course, discussed Megalodon, but they also talked about other sharks that were vicious, precise hunters. Then I started thinking about other prehistoric creatures..... t-rex, raptors, etc...... all vicious animals. This got me thinking, if God is a god of love, justice, and righteousness, why were many of his first creations so violent and vicious by nature. Why did he all of a sudden wipe these creature off the earth and create a perfect paradise with non-violent animals led by a peaceful, naked man and woman.

Any thoughts? Darwin anyone??? I'm especially interested in hearing the views of faithful Christians, because I can't comprehend this from a Christian point of view. However, I can from the point of evolution. It doesn't make sense to me that such a loving god would make his first creations so violent unless Satan had a little fun in the beginning and started creating some things on his own. lol.

BTW, I promise I'm sober right now.

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New BOE Letter Re. Elders/MS Appointments and Deletions

by XBEHERE in

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from the wording of the letter it seems that the co has been given carte blanche with appointments and deletions.

nowhere in the letter does it indicate that any records are sent to and from the co to the branch office.

even if a body wants to delete an appointed brother and he disagrees his only recourse would be to write a "brief" letter to the service dept.

pronomono

I'm sure this is on a "need-to-know" basis. COs probably have their own letter telling them what they should be doing in this regard, where-as elders only are told about the processes they need to know about.

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WTS one step closer to "1984" - JW literature rewritten in online versions

by sir82 in

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likely everyone here is familar with the novel "1984" - "he who controls the past, controls the future.

he who controls the present, controls the past".. take a look at wol.jw.org, insight book, topic "faithful and discreet slave".. current online wording: http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200001485.

jesus trained the apostles for the role they would have after pentecost 33 c.e.

pronomono

marked

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Losing Faith in Faith..

by Dis-Member in

i came across this lecture at 3am not being able to sleep by dan baker.

it details his transition from christian fundamentalist to atheist and the various shades in-between.

he realises that every denomination of christian can open the bible and prove to you that they have the right interpretation and everyone else is wrong.

pronomono

Maybe this is the only part that makes some sense. But it requires God to act,.. that's just what I want to experience. His actions in my life.

I've been searching for this for quite a while too. It hurts when you cry out to God, seeking his direction, his approval...... but nothing. You start to doubt yourself, mind racing thinking that you've done something to displease God to be getting this silent treatment..... but nothing. You want to make changes, to feel God's presence in your life..... but nothing. In times past, God offered proof that he was with his people, from the cloud pillar when Moses lead the Israelites out of Egypt to his own voice when he spoke of Jesus as his beloved whom he had approved. God acted. But now?..... nothing.

I sincerely want that to change, but apparently it is one-sided (if God exists).