i hope i don't come across as judgemental but having read a lot on the current child abuse cases and the different threads on here, i am left wondering why on earth a parent of an abuse victim would go to an elder with the problem first and not straight to police?.
as a parent myself i know that if anything like that happend to my child (this applies to when i was still an active jw as well as now) i would not hesitate in going to the authorities as soon as i found out, it wouldn't of crossed mine or my husbands mind to go to an elder.
maybe after we had reported it but definitely never as the first port of call.
You shouldn't even have to ask that question. "Protect the org.", is first and foremost among dubs. When elders hear about a possible child abuse case, their instructions are to call the Legal Department of the WTBTS first. I've made several of those calls (in the presence of another elder)and one of the first things that we were asked was, "Who knows about this?"
just saying
eyeuse2badub
here's a quote from a health care change agent, which i think suits the wts very well.. no matter how innovative or entrepreneurial a firm might have been at its start, once it is has been in existence for some time and has an established place in the social economy, its goal in life is to persist.
it leaves the world of innovation, often loses its purpose, and exists solely to exist, i.e., to cover its costs.
often this is a reflection of the corporate hierarchy, where, sadly, leaders lose their sense of providing true value to their customers, intent instead on aggrandizing their own position and preserving their status.
Just visited my cousin in Brooklyn Bethe construction officel. He's pretty important on the building projects in NYC and New Jersey. He has his own office and all. He was really complaining to me about the recent increase in the number of "overseers" being assigned to oversee each other. He said that it's getting ridiculous how many layers of "overseers" are now appointed. I guess they need to put the old DO's to work. Theocratic bureaucracy at it's finest.
just saying
eyeuse2badub
is it ok to spank your kids?
is it ok to discipline them using any force?.
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My mom use to spank, beat, whip us kids because that was the way to rear children according to the Bible, or at least the JW interpretation of the Bible. There was never a mention of spanking being wrong among the dubs that I recall. So, I believe that the WTBTS is ok with whipping children. Also, the Bible encourages (in fact jehober commands) stoning wrong doers to death. Shouldn't the WTBTS be ok with that practice today? Seems a little barbaric but if it's in the Bible, JW's should be ok with it-right?
just saying
eyeuse2badub
i am a proud mother.
my daughter's school had a blood drive and she is of age to donate.
she wanted to last year but was too young.
Good deal. JW's won't admit it but many/most of them 'give' blood on a regular basis or at least have given blood at some time in their life. My wife, for example 'donates' several viles of blood each month so the medical experts, her doctors, can monitor her health. The blood that she 'donates' is not used for sacrifice nor is it "poured out on the ground". Her blood is used to monitor her health and therefore prolong her life. How many of the GB have blood drawn and sent to a lab for analysis for health reasons? Aren't they, the GB, violating the 'blood policy' by their having blood used for a purpose other than 'sacrifice' or being "poured out on the ground"? Sure as sh@#$t they are.
When I get together with 'super' witnesses and the subject of blood comes up, I really love to mention how I 'donated' blood (just for the shock value). When they ask "How could you do that?", I tell them that they also have also probably 'donated' blood, to which they look at me as if I'm crazy. Then I drop it on them, " Have youever had your blood drawn at a doctor's office, a clinic, or a lab?"--Then you donated blood! No getting around it, JW's donate blood for life saving purposes.
just saying
eyeuse2badub
jw's are such a happy group .
let's see how this talk addresses the internal issues that we find within the jw's such as:.
courtesy of jwfacts.com.
So starting with jehobers own family, why wasn't it perfect and happy? How can jehober expect imperfect men to have perfect, happy families when he doesn't? Or is a this a classic case of; "do as I say , not as I do"?
From the very beginning of the bible, there have been absolutely no perfect, happy families. In fact the opposite is true. Even so called divinely blessed men had families that were pretty messed up. These special talks, of which I have given 5 during my elder years, are so empty and lame. The only thing "special" about thes talks is that they are labeled "special".
just saying
eyeuse2badub
authors david chilton (1987) and james stuart russell (1878) propose that the revelation is primarily a prophecy of the destruction of ancient jerusalem by the roman armies.
the revelation is jerusalem's armageddon (mountain of assembled roman troops).
i see the revelation as a war siren warning the first century christians of the imminent destruction of the city.
BABYLON THE GRAPE!
just sayin'
eyeuse2badub
authors david chilton (1987) and james stuart russell (1878) propose that the revelation is primarily a prophecy of the destruction of ancient jerusalem by the roman armies.
the revelation is jerusalem's armageddon (mountain of assembled roman troops).
i see the revelation as a war siren warning the first century christians of the imminent destruction of the city.
What is purple and hates Jehovah's witnesses?
i was wondering how many of you suffered badly with depression when you were in "the truth" and if you feel your depression was related to being part of the organisation?
are you better now you have left or still have issue's?
whatever your experience's i would be very intrested to know (if you feel you can talk about it.).
Afrikanman--
Your experience is eerily like my own. It all culminated about 3 years ago. I resigned as an elder about 5 years ago. Been a dub 53 years an elder off and on for 20 years. Tried to commit suicide and spent 3 week in a psych ward. No longer on meds and have found true peace in the real world. Still trying to get my loving wife out and my 4 terrific children are just hanging in there but not doing much.
Yes leading an unnatural life with an unnatural view of life definitely led me to the point of desperation. I'm 99% faded an go once in a while for my wife's sake. No fs for 3 years now and no shepherding calls yet.
You will recover and be a better person once you do. Peace and happiness be with you my brother.
Just sayin'
eyeuse2badub
from barbara anderson, former watchtower headquarters researcher and writer, on another recent thread:.
it is expected that at the 2014 annual meeting, usually held the first saturday in october, will serve watchtower leaders well to cover-up all the 100-years of prophetic nonsense.
rumor has it they are going to celebrate their 100-years of announcing the kingdom in an adroit way by featuring a move of "great" significance to do with the expansion of the governing body to an "apostolic" 12 or some other fantasy idea.. .
Could it be that in order to keep the self serving myth about the glorious GB going for many more decades even centuries, possibly 'new light' (tm) may be revealed helping JW's to 'clearly' (tm) see that the number 144,000 is 'aparently' (tm) referring only to the FDS{=GB}. Thus the end may not come until that full number of 144,000 GB members has been attained. (lol--lol)
just saying
eyeuse2badub
i remember one picture of a pretty little girl holding a plastic bucket in paradise next to a tame lion.. i asked my wife if there is going to be polution in paradise?
of course the answer is no!!!!!..
i asked her where did the plastic bucket come from?
Plastic buckets will "magically" appear just like manna "magically" appeared. Oh, and don't worry about the animal crap. It will "magically" disappear the way all signs of 3 million people trecking through the wilderness of Sinai for 40 years "magically" disappeared.
just sayin'
eyeuse2badub
