And shouldn't all the men have beards?
just saying!
who was the president of the first century christian congregation after jesus death , , the secretary ,the treasurer ,the field overseer ,the district overseer ,who were the lawyers protecting the congregations from secular authorities ,the mogul`s of real estate , buying up land and getting christians to build places of worship with free labor and then selling them off for a profit a few years down the track , with nothing going back to those who laboured on those projects .. where are the records on papyrus , that the 1st century witnesses counted their hours ,made return visits ,bible studies ,oops the bible wasnt even formulated then ,that didn`t occur until apostate christendom in the 3rd century came up with a number of books to be inspired ..
And shouldn't all the men have beards?
just saying!
some were humble, but their were a few pompous asses who thought they were gods gift to the org and acted like they were ceo's of a fortune 500 company...
John Mason was a bona-fide as*hole. He served around the San Jose area in CA. No one looked forward to his 'visit' and the servant body felt like they'd been "rode hard and put away wet" after his visit. Self righteous prick is the best way to describe him! But he was a company man.
The best was an old guy name Jim Waddington. He loved little kids, which I had 4 of, and everyone loved him. When he came to your home for a meal, he never talked jw stuff. Talked current events, family events, and sports. Loved that old guy!
just saying!
i used to go out early mornings with 2 pioneer elders, we would drive 20 miles out of the territory (a big no-no) to look for hikers to preach to lol of course there were never any hikers.
then off to starbucks for another hour lol easy way to count 2-4 hours.
i am chuckling as i write this, what a joke!.
I would say even much LESS than 1 billion hours!
There's a saying that; "even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while." So if 8 million jw's are spending even 1 billion hours per year in fs, the number of converts per year should be much larger! Field service has become a formalistic regiment and nothing more.
My wife is part of a group of 4 sisters that always work together twice a week. They drive around to laundromats, bus stops, and coffee shops. They have bible studies with old women and troubled single moms. It's nothing more than a social circle that meets twice a week.
just saying!
i am still in and was assigned to collect the contribution after the meeting.
i checked the boxes with another brother and there was nothing inside.
no contributions were made that day.
Could it just be a case of; "You get what you pay for?" Or "You pay for what you get?"
just saying!
i'm curious if we will have eyewitness reporters at the stanley theater like we do every year....
I hope that they announce that the meetings will be shortened and that publishers can report fs time in 1 minute increments.
just saying!
so yeah, i was thinking about this.
marrying an unbeliever is considered to be wrong, but at the same time, it is not a disfellowshipping "offense".
well, the reason is simple: there is more to gain than to lose by not disfellowshipping.
So why not take the softer approach - make it permissible, with the hope that the believing one can eventually bring their mate AND any children that they may have into "the truth!"
So why not allow polygamy? By marrying multiple non-jw's, a jw could bring in a multitude to the borg!
just saying!
when you were "in" did you ever actually enjoy the ministry?
and i made no secret about it.
instead i would joke about me feather knocking, and made sure i had my bible in hand so as they come to the door they know what im about so they can shut me down before i even start.. i always wondered how or why there were people who enjoyed it.
Now that jw's have nothing tangible to sell at the door and there is no revenue being generated from fs, the emphasis on fs has subsided and as a result, most have lost there 'zeal'.
I always hated fs.
just saying!
i asked an old jw friend of mine why so many baptized individuals leave the jw religion.
"did it ever occur to you, old friend, that maybe they know something that you don't know and have valid reasons for leaving?
", i asked.. his response set me back for an answer.
I left after 55 years because, 1) I 'evidently' got tired of standing on the 'threshold' of something that 'clearly' wasn't happening, 2) because I was finally able to admit that all the bullsh*t doctrines of the wt made no sense, 3) and various other "overlapping" reasons.
just saying!
what do you think the jw religion will be like in oct 2021?
if we go back five years from oct 2016 you get 2011. there was no jw.org, really pretty much no tablets, most people were using paper copies for everything.
now that's all changed.
The wt will be telling everyone that we are on the 'invisible' threshold of the 'new world'.
Jw's will be allowed to 'purchase' fs time. (Money instead of time)
Meetings will be available from the convenience of your own home, (for a small fee)!
Blood fractions will further "refined" to include damn near anything one's conscience will allow! (don't ask, don't tell)
Sisters will be allowed to give public talks. (An improvement over some bore-assing brothers!)
just saying!
i will start this o.p by a review of the mental conditioni i find many former or current witnesses at when they join the board :-.
1. broken relationships.. 2. lonliness/ depression.
3. guilt / shame .
It's been a real pleasure to be part of this "online community" for the past few years. Like so many of us, I woke up many years ago but was so deep into the whole jw stuff it was 'impossible' to break away. About 55 plus years of servitude, 20 plus years as an elder, baptized at 12, regular pioneered for years, most of my family jw's and 'all' my friends jw's. Yep I was encased in jwdom.
As I woke up to reality, I had no one to talk to about my doubts and views. Since I had seen the wt organization from it's ugly underbelly, I knew it wasn't god's organization but simply another man-made religion. The problem is that there exists an almost unanimous unwillingness on the part of any jw's to discuss the failures of the wt. That very disturbing situation drove me to find this forum. Although I don't contribute many op's, I read nearly everyone's comments.Good to know that I'm not the only former jw that has found piece of mind and happiness away from the wt organization.
just saying!