Posts by crinklestein

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DO YOU RECOGNIZE THIS?

by MYOHNSEPH in

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i was looking through some old wedding day pics of me and my wife, forty-one years ago tomorrow btw, and i came across this one.

how many of you recognize the item hanging on the wall in the background?

Oh heavens to betsy! We wouldn't want to upset the CO now would we? We are, afterall, supposed to hold him as a venerated and revered person in the congregation... oh wait... that would be called worshipping men, wouldn't it... Hahaha :)

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Tool against private questions by JC?

by TheOldHippie in

being a bit slow, i just finished reading the january 22 "awake!

", and back-translating from "polish" into poor english, on page 9 is the article "a reasonable view on the peace of your private life" or something like that (as said, back-translated ....).

ok, on page 12, second paragraph left column under the sub-heading "a reasonable view", first couple of lines, it is stated: "the creator has the right to know all our private affairs, but people have not.

crinklestein

A husband is the head of his household and his family. And God is the head of all. And the bible states plainly that a mans family comes before ANYTHING ELSE or ANYONE ELSE. A man answers to no other man in regards to his family. He only answers to God. God has entrusted him with the responsibility and it's a covenant between that man and God. The elders have absolutely nothing to say in the matter. Just use the scriptures against them. It's in their own material and it's stated almost exactly that way. They hate dealing with intelligent people because they aren't as easily led as the idiots are. They love to use the scriptures against you to prove your wrongdoing but they HATE IT when you use the scriptures against them!

By the time I got done with them they had nothing else to say because I argued my case using logic and their own scriptures against them. Use any method neccessary to turn the arguement back on them and cover all of your bases. Be like a lawyer: Anticipate the things they will say and cover that base before they even say it. That way they can't win in the arguement. If you use logic and cover every base you should have nothing to fear.

And then get the hell out of the organization. If everyone knows of these problems but still associates themselves with them, they have no one to blame but themselves. Get out before it's too late.

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The Scarlet Letter Part 2

by jst2laws in

http://www.strike9.com/file.aspx?path=/joy2bfree/fullsize/newsherald-15k.jpg.

the article above is from the panama city newsherald september 6. .

no one contacted us personally after the media interviews.

crinklestein

This is all that motivates them... money. With however many millions of them there are now (what is it, 6 million members now?) if each person gave $1 per meeting that is $5 per person per week multiplied by 6 million. So the danger is to their pocketbooks. $30 million per week is alot.

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Heres to the past it can kiss my glass

by WildTurkey in

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a song i like inspires this post.

i hope the org.

is happy with all those elders that they have.

crinklestein

I've seen an elder DF his own teenage daughter because she had an eating disorder that she couldn't control. Did he get her medical help and counceling? No. Just told her to stop it in a set ammount of time or she would DF'd for being so vain about her body. He didn't look at it like a disease, just that she was being vain about wanting to be thin.

What was everyone told when there was an outcry? Trust on Jehovah to straighten it out in the end. GRRRRRRR!!!!!!!! Man am I glad I left a long time ago.

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Tool against private questions by JC?

by TheOldHippie in

being a bit slow, i just finished reading the january 22 "awake!

", and back-translating from "polish" into poor english, on page 9 is the article "a reasonable view on the peace of your private life" or something like that (as said, back-translated ....).

ok, on page 12, second paragraph left column under the sub-heading "a reasonable view", first couple of lines, it is stated: "the creator has the right to know all our private affairs, but people have not.

crinklestein

You can reply by saying that, even though they represent God in this matter, they are not God Himself. They are men and as the scripture says, and is directed at men, Stop mixing in the affairs of others.

When there is a problem in the congregation and they take drastic measures to stop it there is sometimes an outcry from the other members. The Elders tell the congregation to trust on Jehovah, for he is the true judge and will deal true justice fairly then, if it wasn't done fairly now.

Use their same line of thinking with them. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right? Tell them, as they tell you, the details are personal and does not concern them. It is a matter between you, your wife and God. And if they don't feel it's being taken care of properly then tell them to trust on Jehovah's ability to deal justice in the end. And then tell them to stop being so damned nosy and hypocritical.

Doesn't the bible also say that a man's family comes BEFORE God and the congregation? If this is the case, they have no say in the matter.

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let the battle commence..

by nightwarrior in

well the inevitable has happened... my mother now knows without a shadow of a doubt that i no longer attend the kh, and that the 'close' sister that i had spoken to about the above, is heartbroken (aaahhhh) that i have made such a momentous decision (how dare i) without talking to the family first..... note : i am 42 years old, 4 children, married for 16 years, lived away from my 'home' for 20 years...and the youngest daughter out of four girls, and i am still thought of as being unable to make my own decisions (as homer would say 'doh!)..

i have with held speaking to my mother for the simple reason that she is very ill, and i did not want to add to her burden, and then be blamed for her death.. she is a strong character, and has raised her family in the 'truth', my dad was not interested in the jw's...but i doubt if i will get any support from him, as he will back my mam, as she is the strong one in the relationship, and heaven help him if he were to disagree with her!!!

anyway, what would i have done without mr nightwarrior, he has been great beyond words, but sadly my mother has decided that he is the one to blame, and (wait for it).... he is part of the 'sweet talking evil slave class'................ when my mother put this to my yesterday on the telephone i politely put the phone down on her... how dare she!

crinklestein

So, your mother thinks that the Faithful and Discreet Slave forwards your prayers to God? Is that not the job of Jesus, as they say? Glad you broke the news to your familly. If they choose to stop having a relationship with you over the ordeal than so-be-it. They may be familly but they are just people, like anyone else. And that doesn't give them liberty to walk all over you.

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DID CHARITY EVER FIND YOU , AS A MEMBER OF THE BORG.

by nightwarrior in

i can honestly .

i can honestly say that i never saw the effects of love /care /consideration / especialy christian love ,but i did experience fickle type backbiting friendships /jealousy/and greed followed by me,ismn charity was never present.the need or concern for others not of the faith was totaly lacking , in retrospect we led our lives, only ocasionaly offering a few ponds to charitys, only if a collector pushed or shook a tin within your face ,.

the reason being that the kingdom work must come first regardless of all the inhuman suffering exploding around you, hunger starvation,death ,pain .

crinklestein

How funny would it be when, during Armageddon, you see the witnesses standing straight and proud and the angel of death just mows them over like grass in a field! Haaha! That would be great! "OOOPPSS!! Guess you were wrong! SUCKA!"

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Do you understand...

by christopherceo in

...what i mean when i refer to a high control group?

let me tell you how it works from my experience as a member of one.

once you become a member you're "new personality" must quickly conform to the standards set by the group regarding all manner of things we used to do in ordinary everyday life, but not any more.

crinklestein

I know what you mean. I had a few of them that would get upset because I said Bless You when people sneezed. I just said, "Do you honestly think God is that pety?"

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Independant Thought=Demon Influence

by crinklestein in

i used to be a jw for a few years but i left it behind like a pair of dirty underwear.

at first it seemed good.

the people were all very nice and inviting (of course they would be), the teachings seemed logical.

crinklestein

Thanks, I couldn't remember which yahoo it was. :)

Praying to be free from independant thought??? Oh my GOD! That is pathetic! Yeah, I'll tell ya how to be free from independant thought... get a labotomy! Isn't there a reason God gave us independant thought to begin with? Praying for God to remove that would be like praying for God to remove your left arm because that's the arm that you use to hold your sinful beer.

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Independant Thought=Demon Influence

by crinklestein in

i used to be a jw for a few years but i left it behind like a pair of dirty underwear.

at first it seemed good.

the people were all very nice and inviting (of course they would be), the teachings seemed logical.

crinklestein

I used to be a JW for a few years but I left it behind like a pair of dirty underwear. At first it seemed good. The people were all very nice and inviting (of course they would be), the teachings seemed logical. But, as with anything, the more you learn the more information you have to formulate your own thoughts and questions.

The questions I had were, if we are not supposed to lean on our own understandings what did Russel and Rutherford do? It's stated in a major JW publication that he reread the Bible as if he had never read it before. Throwing out everything he had ever been taught before and he took a fresh new look at it. Why? To draw his own conclusions on it! To see where the churches went wrong. He relied on his own understanding! Yet we are not supposed? Give me a break!

They preach about not doing things just for show, like donating money during a meeting or helping a brother or sister out. That, if you were to do something for show you were as a whitewashed grave. And then they'd site the scripture about the poor woman giving from her need while the other gave of their surplus. They preach all of this yet want you to wear a black trenchcoat, suit and tie and carry a book bag when out on the street so that you "stand out" so that others might approach you and ask you who you are. During conventions they want you wear your name tag for the entire rest of the day to any public place that you goto. Why? So that everyone can see who you are! So you can, in effect, say "LOOK AT ME! I'M A WITNESS! BEHOLD MY GLORY!" Is that not doing things for show? Is that not hypocritical?

They say that they don't follow a man. They follow Jesus. And that the only reason why there's a president to the society is for legal reasons. BULL! They follow everything him and the GB says without question! They have from the beginning and they still do today. Case in point:

* JW's used to celebrate Christmas. That is until it was announced by Russel at breakfast, one morning, to the slaves at Bethel that he wouldn't be celebrating Christmas anymore and if you were a good Christian you wouldn't celebrate it either. And that meeting detailed this new policy and that if they didn't adhear to it they were DF'd.

Is this not following a man? Just because he said not to do it, they stopped doing it. Not because they felt it was wrong, but out of fear of being DF'd.

There was a big campaign in the 70's about quiting smoking. They said that the "new understanding" was that you can't be a Christian and smoke so you have 6 months to quit and if you haven't successfuly quit by then.... guess what... you were DF'd.

Did they quit out of love for their bodies? No. They were afraid of being DF'd. They were FOLLOWING MEN!

Being an intelligent and logical person it didn't take long for these conclussions to draw themselves out. And when questions started to get asked by me they started counselling me to keep my mouth shut. When I asked if they wanted my silence because they felt that I would reveal the true nature of this religion to those who lack the capacity for independant thought they said that it would be concidered apostacy. I asked, "Why? Becuase I'm seeing the things that the creaters of this religion have done and how they turned right around and told everyone else not to do it?! Because I'm seeing inconsistancies in these teachings that don't jive with the leaders own actions? Because I am intelligent enough to figure this out and logical enough to demand an explanation? I demand an explanation to these things."

They refused. I reminded them that it was their responsibility and they were shirking their duties by not answering my questions. That, if they were truely interested in tending to their so-called "flock" as true sheppards of God, they would answer my questions to my satisfaction. "Questions left unanswered will only lead to self-composed conclusions and, as you people say, Don't rely on your own understanding. Shall I lean on my own understandings of these matters or shall I lean on yours? It's your choice."

This lead no where. After their true colors were shown to me I stopped going to meetings. I soon moved out of the area and to another state. Out of curiosity I went to a meeting there and I never saw such mindless automotons. They seemed devoid of any personality or individuality and they ignored me to the fullest, even after introducing myself as a brother. It was at that point that I knew this was not the "Truth" they proclaim it was. Even though I never went to meetings or did anything with the religion for a couple of years after that it took me a while to fully disown it and start celebrating holidays with my family. I guess it was because of the guilt that they instill in you that, if you leave the fold you are a weak person that doesn't deserve God's blessings.

All I have to say to that is that they shall reap the whirwind when it comes time. They will be doubly judged because they take on the mantle of Elder, Spiritual Leader. And I wouldn't want to be in their shoes at that time.