Posts by crinklestein

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My Letter to the Elders in My Late Father's Congregation

by cruzanheart in

well, guys, here it is.

it's going in the mail tomorrow.

it's for me but, dad, it's also for you.

crinklestein

Every day that I visit this site and read everyone's personal experiences my blood boils hotter and hotter than the day before. This kind of treatment INFURIATES me to the very core. This has me wanting to march to every KH that I know of and plaster your letter on their walls! HOW DARE these a$$holes treat an old man in such a way! I may very well get a copy of your letter and submit it to my local papers as well. This kind of thing MUST be exposed. I fully agree with the Dr Phil, Oprah and local news being notified. THIS is exactly what the WTS needs: SERIOUS exposure of this kind will be very damaging and it will open even more people's eyes to what the "truth" actually is. These heartless sons of bitches.

You are a very elquent and detailed writer and I commend you on being able to put these very strong feelings down on paper. I know for a fact that this is very theraputic! There is nothing more liberating than telling someone off in written form. You have done a very good job in this and I really do hope that there are some results from this.

You had said that you had better hide in the closet when the backlash comes from this. All I gotta say is STAND TALL AND PROUD AND DEFIANT! Don't you dare cower in front of these bastards! Condemn them for everything they have ever done and make them know exactly how you feel. Expose them for the modern day Pharisees that they are. I liked the comparison you made. The JW's don't have the flashy robes that the Pharisees did but they do have the flashy robes of arrogance that they decorate themselves with. And they have girded themselves with their seats of power and thirst for nothing spiritual any more.

I've seen some pretty wrong things where I was but I never had any idea it was this bad everywhere else! I would have finished off the letter with a few more strong words like "I hope you burn for all eternity in hell!" or "May God rot our your eyes and shrivel up your tongue for being the false prohpets that you are." But I think you worded it just fine. :)

Please please please tell us what the results from this are. You must! ;) I am so very sorry this has happened to you and at least there's us worldly folks that somehow find a way to lend a helping hand, even though we are all in league with Satan. ;) Satan must be a real nice guy if all of us worldly folks have a higher sense of compasion than these supposed People Of God.

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Difference between Disfellowshipping and inactive/disassociation

by Scooby in

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do you guys know what the difference is between disfellowshipped/inactive/disassociation?.

i am not sure which one to do to myself (ha ha)!!!

i figured your experiences would help me decide which one is right for me as i don't trust i'll get the best answer for me from one of my current jw friends.

crinklestein

Why give him that courtesy!? If he is willing to end your marriage and considers you dead because you no longer want to be a JW and HE HIMSELF IS NO LONGER GOING TO MEETINGS AND IS UNHAPPY WITH JW'S!!!??? Make him suffer the consequences of the decisions he's made. Let him stand up to the tidal wave of his own convictions. Make him be responsible for his own actions. Why try to cover up for him? You don't want to be a JW and so he leaves you because of it. And now he's not going to meetings and is unhappy with the JW's and you want to make it EASY ON HIM??!!

Man! I'd be grinding my boot heal into him if I were you! Let them all know that he left you for your inactivity and now he himself is inactive. I'd be broadcasting to the world how hypocritical he and his religion is. Don't give him a nice cushion to sit on when he's given you nothing but the cold, hard floor.

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Do you forgive easily?

by JH in

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are you the type to forgive easily, or do you keep a grudge for quite a while?.

i forgive very fast, and this could play a trick on me.

i would be the type to go back to the hall if everyone in the congregation became friendly with me all of a sudden.

crinklestein

I don't blindly forgive anyone. In order for me to forgive someone they will need to ask forgiveness and show that they actually ARE sorry. If they aren't really sorry for what they did why WOULD ANYONE forgive them? Blindly forgiving everyone without them actually being sorry just opens the door to allow everyone to walk all over you and you would not get any respect from anyone. You can't respect someone that let's you treat them like crap.

As far as the society is concerned their transgretions are so extreem and so widespread that, even if they did ask for forgiveness I would NOT accept it. First off, if they ever did appologize it would not be a heartfelt appology. It reminds me when, about 6 months back, when another abuse case was settled against the Catholic church, the bishop made a concluding statement at the sentencing and said basically, "While I'm sorry this has happened our position is that we are not responsible." Is that REALLY an appology? What fool would accept that? Did he really mean what he said? Do you think GOD would accept a repentance like that? I don't think so.

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Did The Elders Seem Eager To Disfellowship You?

by minimus in

did you ever feel that the elders just wanted you out?

in your experiences with the elders, did you feel "love" displayed at the judicial meeting, or did you sense that you were dealing with, the star of dragnet,"just the facts, please."?

in all the years that i was an elder, i think i only wanted to disfellowship a person once.

crinklestein

I say a good bitch-slapping is in order for those responsible.

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attention apostasy sucks.

by MOLHIE-NIGG in

oh after my last posts i had great fun reading the response's that were posted.

i am just trying to figure out what is wrong with you people, your'e response's are predictable and indeed amusing in many cases.

the first hint a someone defending and apparently being a jw and the 3 camps come out of the woodwork with their charm and tact to help a the poor jw realize the truth for what it is.

crinklestein

If apostacy sucks, and you're a die-hard JW, why are you talking to us? Is it not part of your programing to having no interactions with apostates for fear of infection? I question your motives.

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What does it take to live forever?

by JH in

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as a jw, we were told that we had to be saved in order to live eternally.

do you still hope to live eternally, or did this dream fade away?

crinklestein

Even though I was conned into this stupid religion I do have to say that, for a time, it quenched my spiritual thirst. There are a good number of things they teach that ARE scriptural but it encouraged me to read the Bible and so I did learn alot of things while there. It was when the contradictions started to be revealed through my expanding knowlege that I started to leave it. I still believe in everything that is in the REAL Bible but I have removed from my brain all of the Witness crap that is not scriptural. It took a little bit of re-reading the real bible in order to clear my head of thier festering crap but I did it.

I look at myself as being a spiritual person but more importantly a LOGICAL person. I believe in God and Jesus and I believe that there is no salvation except through him. No "New Light" can ever change that! I know the real truths from the bible and I know lies when I hear them. Expecially when they come from a group that is known for spreading spiritual lies either for entertaining or getting more money.

It infuriates me to watch people like the Southern Baptists rolling down the isles shouting out and sticking their hands in the air. I CAN'T STOMACH THAT!!! That is not scriptural. Their basic purpose of going to church on Sunday is to see who wins the "Who's got the biggest hat and flashiest clothing" contest. It is painfully obvious to me that they are there only for show and putting on of airs. It disgusts me.

It infuriates me to watch anything with a televangelist on it pimping the lord like He's his bitch. But it irritates me even more to watch the idiots in the audience.

I can't stomach it when, at these big conventions of crap, they start playing music and these idiots are swaying back and forth looking like they're on the verge of tears because they are just so moved. BS!!! They stick their arms in the air, tilt their heads back, close their eyes and put on the look of euphoria only so they can say "LOOK AT ME!!! I MUST BE MORE RELIGIOUS THAN YOU ARE BECAUSE I'M BEING MOVED!!! EVERYONE TAKE A GANDER AT MY SPIRITUAL GOODNESS!" And when it's on camera it gets even stronger. If I can see through this line of bull I am POSITIVE God can see it. Who do they think they're fooling? Do they hoenstly think that God is such a chump?

But I look at myself as being knowlegable in the Bible but certainly not an expert by any means. But I have enough actual knowlege of it so that I know what it is that I believe in and why I believe it and to know that what I belive in is grounded in scriptures. And I believe that I am living according to my beliefs and shall be saved because I do know that Jesus died for us all to be saved. And there is no changing that.

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Got this letter

by Yesterdays Child in

throughout the years after having come to know through your marriage to my daughter you have been a very kind and thoughtful person, sometimes more than my own son.

i don't think that a mother-in-law could want a finer person for a son than you.

however, it is very unfortunate that i will have to change the way that i will relate to you now and in the future.

crinklestein

Agreed! The Bible says nothing about turning your back against a congregation or an organization. It says turning your back on GOD! If you still believe in God, how have you done that? You haven't! By turning your back on this corupt organization you are following the scriptures when it says that the false prophet can be identified by claiming to be from God and who's prophesies have not come true and to flee from them.

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The seed I planted

by truthseeker1 in

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no, i didn't knock someone up [;)].

my ex-wife called me up the other day.

she said she needed to talk to someone, and i was the only one she can talk to about this.

crinklestein

The way I look at is if it wasn't because of the Society it would've happened because of something else. Anyone that will blow off a marriage for anything except for infidelity isn't that into the marriage to begin with. And her response proves this. "I'll leave it if I can come back to you but if you won't have me then I'll just stay." This woman has no concviction. She obviously has no independant thought. She obviously has no sense of personal responsibility. And she is drifting around in the wind.

You made the right decision because, if you took her back, she would only find something else to leave you over. Hurt me once shame on you. Hurt me twice, shame on me. That's my outlook. Except I would've been a little harsher on her than you probably were. I would've said something like, "Well, I guess you should've thought about that before you made your decision. You saw two sides and you picked one. Thus showing how loyal you really were to this marriage. This marriage is over because of you and your decision. I hope you enjoy the outcome of this decision because there is no turning back. Goodbye."

Of course that's just me. I love it whenever someone who disses me comes crawling back saying they made a mistake. It's my opportunity to grind the bootheel. There is no greater revenge than watching someone who made a bad choice like this try to come crawling back. Because I know it hurts them more when they get rejected chen they crawl back than it ever does when they rejected you when they crawled away.

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Generation of 1914 BEGONE!

by UnDisfellowshipped in

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another false prophecy by the watchtower society:.

awake!, november 8th 1986 issue, page 8:.

awake!, november 8th 1994 issue, page 10:.

crinklestein

I love how they claim to be Bible Based in their teachings yet they get their understandings of what a generation is from a non Bible Based PERSON. Some guy starts talking about how ww1 cause a "rift" in history and what HIS personal concept of what "generation" means and so the Society sees this as their escape route. "We'll just quote some historian and call him an authority on the definition of the word 'generation' so we can steal some more money for a few more years."

I loved the scripture saying how we would know of the false prophet. VERY telling!

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What is this "light getting brighter" crap??!!

by crinklestein in

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what is it with the term "the light is getting bright and brighter" being to used to explain "new understandings"?

what is with these new understandings to begin with??!!

if this was truley god's true organization there would not be any new understandings.

crinklestein

What is it with the term "The light is getting bright and brighter" being to used to explain "New Understandings"? What is with these New Understandings to begin with??!! If this was truley God's true organization there would not BE any New understandings. There would only be understandings and they would never change!

I don't see it written that Moses ever changed his viewpoints on what the scriptures said.

I don't see it written that King David ever got New Understandings on what the theocratic law was. The laws were written down and they never changed!

I don't see anything in the Mosaic Law that ever changed over time. Certainly no backpeddling occured when God's ACTUAL earthly kingdom was set up and ruled as a TRUE theocracy. He set the laws down and they were to be adheared to and they never changed.

So what's the explaination of the WT getting new light when this is supposedly Bible Based and these scriptures have been around for thousands of years? I'll tell you what it's about! It's a backdoor they use so, in case they make a mistake, they can correct it under the guise of "NEW UNDERSTANDINGS HAVE BEEN REVEALED BY GOD!!!" If God ran this organization then GOD WOULD'VE ALREADY TOLD YOU THESE THINGS!!"