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    Time magazine article proves that JW-youth are not the only Christians

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    if you grew up in the "troof" you were probably told that all young people in the world are only into sex, drugs, and making money.

    no thought about god.. you probably heard the "bad association spoils useful habits" scripture a million times.. maybe you heard, "well, they maybe nice, but are they going to encourage you to serve jehovah?".

    the article in this weeks magazine, dispels the myth that only jw youth are truly "christian.

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    If you grew up in the "troof" you were probably told that all young people in the world are only into sex, drugs, and making money. No thought about God.

    You probably heard the "bad association spoils useful habits" scripture a million times.

    Maybe you heard, "Well, they maybe nice, but are they going to encourage you to serve Jehovah?"

    The article in this weeks magazine, dispels the myth that only JW youth are truly "Christian." This article was like a breath of fresh air.

    While some young people are reckless and spoilt for choice, it is refreshing to know that there are genuine Christians out there. That's not too say that non witness youth are any less religious if they have a different faith.

    The point I'm making, is that JW's believe that unless you're a witness, you're not a "True" Christian.

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1056294,00.html

    Faith and Frat Boys

    Can devout Christians reconcile their beliefs with college culture? A look inside one campus By JEFF CHU/BLOOMINGTON

    AARON HUEY / POLARIS FOR TIME ON A MISSION: Greek InterVarsity's Straub, center, parties at his house

    Monday, May. 02, 2005At 3:30 on a Sunday Morning, Brandon Straub soberly surveyed the bodies draped across the sofas in his fraternity house at Indiana University. Two girls cuddled and exchanged a languid kiss. One's breast popped out of her low-cut top. "Aaaawesome," drawled one of Straub's frat brothers. Straub could only muster an awkward half-smile. "I'd be lying if I didn't say that seeing some of these scenes makes me sad," he said. "How will they feel when they wake up in the morning?"

    Truth is, most of them wouldn't be up in the morning. By the time the revelers rose, after noon, Straub, 21, who is not only a loyal fraternity member but also a leader in the Greek InterVarsity Christian Fellowship, had already gone to church and come back. As some of his frat brothers nursed hangovers and others cleaned up from the night before, Straub pondered his situation. He walks a fine line of faith at Indiana, which is currently ranked by the Princeton Review as America's No. 15 party school (and No. 5 in the category "lots of beer"). The challenge, Straub says, is "How can I serve God and love the guys here?"

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    College is traditionally a time of transition and new freedoms, the years when young people have to figure out for the first time who they are. The task is even more complex for the growing number of devout young Christians on secular college campuses who feel called to approach this time in a way that sets them apart. They draw inspiration from Paul's letter to the Romans:"Do not be conformed to this world." But the Bible gives few details on how to navigate the collegiate world in 2005, leaving Christians to grapple with tough questions as they try to integrate their beliefs--and themselves--into college life: Can they be, like Straub, both a brother in Christ and a brother in a frat? Or should they live only with other believers? How do they deal with stereotypes of Christianity that others may hold? And what does it mean to live out their faith on a secular campus like Indiana's?

    Faith matters to students as they head off to college, but then it tends to lapse. In a national study issued last month by UCLA's Higher Education Research Institute, 79% of 112,000 freshmen surveyed profess a belief in God; 69% say they pray. Still, only 40% think it is very important to follow religious teachings in everyday life. Spiritually, "college is a time of flux," says Alexander Astin, the study's co--principal investigator. That leads to "a dramatic falling-off of religious participation during the undergraduate years." But a significant minority are holding fast to their faith. Fourteen percent put themselves in the "other Christian" category--dominated by the nondenominational Protestant churches that have proliferated across the U.S.--up from just 5% in 1989. And 26% of the students surveyed call themselves born-again Christians, which would be a natural constituency for religious-fellowship groups on campuses. Evangelical student leaders at Indiana University estimate that fewer than 5% of the 30,000 undergraduates participate in one of the campus's Christian groups. But that's an uptick since the stridently secular 1960s, says dean of students Richard McKaig. In the past five years, "attention to spirituality has been especially strong." But committed Christians seem to want more than just spiritual living. "They're looking for something deeper," he says.

    At Indiana, there are five main fellowship groups for evangelical students. The distinctions tend to be stylistic rather than substantive--the religious equivalent of J. Crew vs. American Eagle vs. Abercrombie. Campus Crusade is the largest, drawing as many as 350 students to "Cru," its weekly meetings, which, like those of all the groups, feature singing, Bible study and prayer. (Students say it's the best for dating opportunities as well.) The Christian Student Fellowship (CSF) is set apart by its house on Greek Row in which students of faith can live together. The Navigators, known for rigorous Bible study, are seen as more intellectual. InterVarsity is the most ethnically diverse, with higher numbers of African-American, Asian-American and Hispanic students in its ranks. And Greek InterVarsity is aimed at fraternity and sorority members.

    But all the groups tend to go about their business quietly. "They kind of operate under the surface," McKaig says. Josh Sanburn, editor in chief of the Indiana Daily Student, notes that the number of students in the fellowships is roughly the same as the school's African-American student population, but unlike the Christians, "the black students on this campus are very good about making sure they're heard." Evangelical students, however, see their spiritual mission differently. Says sophomore CSF member Emily Hoefling: "We usually believe what affects people more than a newspaper article is to see people living Christian lives."

    Joshua Hoke, 21, a preacher's son from Franklin, Ind., was more interested in having a good time than in setting a Christian example when he arrived at Indiana in 2002. At home, "Christianity wasn't a choice, and I wanted to do what I wanted to do," he says. "The culture of college is, If it feels good, do it." He says pot was his drug of choice but admits that he also drank heavily and even tried cocaine. None of that felt as good as he had hoped. One night in his sophomore year, he went for a walk, talking along the way to a God he wasn't sure was listening. "I said, God, are you even on this campus?" Hoke recalls. As he wandered down Greek Row, he heard music. "I thought it was a band in some frat," he says, but it was actually CSF's worship team. He saw the CHRISTIAN STUDENT FELLOWSHIP sign outside the house and went in.

    Today Hoke lives in the house with 54 others, in what director Bill Kershner says is "possibly the biggest Christ-centered community living together on a college campus." CSF bought the house in 2001, after the fraternity that had occupied it was suspended for alcohol violations. Christian students share rooms with one or two other like-minded students, eat their meals in a communal dining room and get together for one-on-one spiritual mentoring and small-group Bible study. One women's group is studying Song of Solomon; an all-male group is looking at biblical role models like Abraham, King David and Jesus' disciples.

    Some CSF members say they wanted the academic challenge of a secular school but appreciate the house's spiritual ethos. "It's almost like going to a Christian school," says Andrew Harper, 23, a senior from Indianapolis, "but you're not totally excluding yourself from the world." Says Tyler Irwin, 20, a sophomore from Polson, Mont.: "I don't want to put myself in a compromising position, with lots of alcohol and lots of girls and not a lot of clothes." House rules ban drinking, tobacco, illegal drugs and premarital sex. Room doors must be open when students of the opposite sex are together inside. Marks of holy living are everywhere. In the corridors, residents have posted snippets of Scripture, like FLEE THE EVIL DESIRES OF YOUTH. On a recent Friday night, as other Greek Row residents headed for bars, CSFers watched the animated film The Incredibles in their basement lounge.

    For believers who live together--at CSF or in off-campus houses and apartments--insularity is a real concern. Lane Bowman, 22, a Crusade senior from Chesterton, Ind., lives with four other Christians and admits, "I'm immersed in a Christian bubble." He says he prays regularly that he can break out of his bubble and share his faith. But his cultural cues--his music, his books--are almost all Christian. The "angry music" that he liked in high school--such as Eminem's--is out, replaced by Christian rockers like Sonicflood. His nonclass reading tends toward books like Lord, Change My Attitude (Before It's Too Late), a guide to Christ-centered thinking by Illinois pastor James MacDonald.

    Reaching out to other students is easier for the faithful who live in regular campus housing. Senior Kathryn Nelson, 22, a Crusade member from Milford, Ohio, recalls how she invited the atheist girl across the hall in her old dorm to join her at Bible study and would talk with the Jewish girl two doors down about faith. Now that she shares a house with nine other Christians, she has lost such casual, everyday interactions. "When you're living with people who aren't Christians, your ministry is right in front of your face," she says.

    That was what attracted Greek InterVarsity's Straub to frat life. He pledged after an older InterVarsity member told him it would be "an incredible ministry opportunity," he says. "Try to think of another time when you'll live with 100 other guys, most of whom don't want to be bothered with God right now." But influence can flow both ways. Early in his freshman year, Straub found himself waking up after a couple of drunken nights, suffering a spiritual hangover of guilt. Now he leads a weekly Bible study in his secular frat. It's a daunting challenge, but he draws strength from Paul's letter to the Ephesians, in which the Apostle urges believers to "put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil." The idea "is very manly," Straub says with a smile. "If I'm saying to God, 'You're my man,' then I have to aspire to be a warrior for him."

    Christians at Indiana say one of the biggest battles they fight is the stereotype that they are intolerant of the way other people live. "I'm in a Teaching in a Pluralistic Society class," says InterVarsity member Jennifer Beach, 19, a physical-education major. "People will talk about how women are oppressed and how that comes from the idea in the Bible that women have to be submissive."

    Others lament that they are lumped with fundamentalist Christian groups--whether or not they agree with them. Protesters from Old Paths Baptist Church in Campbellsburg, Ind., 50 miles from Indiana's Bloomington campus, have come to the school weekly, toting posters of aborted fetuses and shouting anti-gay slogans. A picketer spotted Greek InterVarsity member Samantha Schein wearing an Alpha Phi sorority sweat shirt and told her that she lived in a "house of sin." "I said, 'Can't you just be quiet?'" says Schein. "Other students will just assume most Christians are like that."

    What is true is that some of the students are making their mark in ways that will never draw much public attention. On the first Tuesday night after Easter, Greek InterVarsity president Peter Howell went door to door in his house, Sigma Nu, inviting his brothers to Bible study, as he has done every week for the past two years. Just two of the 70 brothers accepted the offer, but that doesn't mean the rest haven't been affected by Howell. "In the biggest meathead frat, he's himself. He's 100%. And no matter what day I say no, he'll always come back," says junior Trevor Loe, who declined to attend that week's session. "One day, when I'm ready, I'll remember Peter." ??

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    How many of the public go to the Public Talk?

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    if you're still going to meetings, how many of the public actually go to the public talk?

    or do you see the same old tired worn faces?.

    in my hall, you never see a member of the public just come in and say, i'd like to stay and hear this talk.. was there ever a time when complete strangers would just come in, sit down and actually listen?.

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    If you're still going to meetings, how many of the public actually go to the Public Talk? Or do you see the same old tired worn faces?

    In my hall, you never see a member of the public just come in and say, I'd like to stay and hear this talk.

    Was there ever a time when complete strangers would just come in, sit down and actually listen?

    If not, why is it called a Public Talk?

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    The Watchtower - taking the "personal" out of choice

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    when is a personal choice not a personal choice?

    when it's hobson's choice.. .

    dictionary.com defines hobson's choice as this:.

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    When is a personal choice not a personal choice? When it's Hobson's choice.

    Dictionary.com defines Hobson's choice as this:

    An apparently free choice that offers no real alternative.

    This is exactly the kind of choice that the Watchtower gives you all the time, while stipulating that their brand of religion gives you freedom as a Christian.

    Take for example, the matter of staying at a hotel for the assembly. Witnesses already spend considerable time and expense going to the assembly, surely you think they would be permitted to stay where they wish.

    Unfortunately, that doesn't go down well with Watchtowerites, who demand that you stay at their listed accomodations.

    OK, so how about going out for lunch. Can we do that please?

    No - the Watchtower Public Policy Program forbids you, a grown adult, to pop over to Wendy's for a cheeseburger.

    OK, so now I have to stay where they say, and make my own lunch - could I at least have my own lunch outside the convention facility?

    No - the Watchtower Think Tank in charge of Preventing Independent Thought and Activity board strongly recommends that you stay inside their stuffy convention faciltity, for the whole of the session - lunch included.

    The way they go on and on about hotel accomodations, lunch and where you spend it, hardly qualifies as the "pressing onto maturity" that Paul described.

    Grown men and women are being treated as kids.

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    Rejection of the feminine rooted in the occult by Henry Makow

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    your comments on this please - surely an eye opener and an insult.... .

    rejection of the .

    feminine rooted in the occult .

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    Your comments on this please - surely an eye opener and an insult...

    Rejection Of The
    Feminine Rooted In The Occult
    By Henry Makow, PhD
    4-24-5

    Some day our educators and politicians will be held accountable for turning impressionable girls into lesbians and ruining their lives.

    They teach them a hate-filled Feminist dogma that heterosexuality is a "social construct," males are violent predators, and sex with a man is rape.

    Millions of gullible girls are falling into a diabolical trap intended to make them pursue careers instead of families. As I have said, the purpose is to depopulate and destabilize society by destroying its fundamental building block, the family.

    I am not a fan of Dennis Prager, a Zionist propagandist, but I credit him for an intelligent interview with a young woman, Anna Montrose, who described how university and the media made her bisexual. It is based on an article in the McGill Dailyin which she declared:

    "It's hard to go through four years of a Humanities B.A. reading Foucault and Butler and watching 'The L Word' and keep your rigid heterosexuality intact. I don't know when it happened exactly, but it seems I no longer have the easy certainty of pinning my sexual desire to one gender and never the other."

    (Michel Foucault is a major French "post-modern" philosopher; Judith Butler is a prominent "gender theorist" at UC Berkeley; and "The L-Word" is a popular TV drama about "glamorous" lesbians.)

    Read her interview and you will see she thinks men and women are interchangeable and marriage is mostly for a tax purposes. She is now strikingly unfit for the difficult challenge of marriage and motherhood. Unfortunately, she is becoming the rule rather than the exception.

    Paradoxically, female rejection of the male plays out as a usurpation of the masculine role and abandonment of the feminine one.


    LILITH, THE FIRST FEMINIST

    Innocents like Anna Montrose are the victims of Feminism, which has roots in the occult Kabalistic and Gnostic tradition that displaces God and rejects marriage and family as impediments to free sex and occult control of society. (Kabala and Gnosticism are the basis of Freemasonry, in turn the basis of modern Liberalism, Communism, Socialism, Zionism and Feminism.)

    According to this occult tradition, Lilith was Adam's first wife, the archetype feminist that every man marries and then divorces.

    Lilith and Adam argued constantly because Lilith refused to be under him in the act of love saying they were "equal." This is from "The Story of Lilith" which dates from the between the 8th and 10th Centuries A.D:

    "God "created a woman for Adam, from the earth, as He had created Adam himself, and called her Lilith. Adam and Lilith began to fight. She said, 'I will not lie below,' and he said, 'I will not lie beneath you, but only on top. For you are fit only to be in the bottom position, while I am to be in the superior one.'

    Lilith responded, 'We are equal to each other inasmuch as we were both created from the earth.' But they would not listen to one another. When Lilith saw this, she pronounced the Ineffable Name and flew away into the air. Adam stood in prayer before his Creator: 'Sovereign of the universe!' he said, 'the woman you gave me has run away.' "

    http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~humm/Topics/Lilith/alphabet.htm

    Lilith's refusal to lie beneath Adam is tantamount to the earth refusing to receive a seed. There is nothing inferior or "unequal" about this, no matter what this text has Adam say. It is part of the yin-yang, the active-passive, masculine-feminine principle that is at the heart of nature.

    Man serves God. Woman serves family. In this way both are useful and their lives have meaning.

    But the Gnostic/Kabalistic tradition wishes to overthrow God and nature and substitute the rule of (some) men. The New World Order is the culmination of this satanic tradition.

    That is why the Ten Commandments are carted out of courthouses and replaced with "human rights" which are not God given, but are defined and applied selectively.

    That is why our young women are raised to be dysfunctional and useless, why young men are not taught to serve God (Truth, Love) and give women a noble purpose.


    LOVE HAS TO BE EARNED

    The occult roots of modern culture also explain the confusing mystical haze that surrounds romantic love. This stems from the notion that we are divine and can love the "God within" our mate. In reality, this is a form of idolatry. Most of us are closer to insects than to God.

    I would replace the word "love" with two words: "trust and respect." This concept is more realistic and understandable. True love develops over a period of years based on trust and respect.

    Naturally, we must begin by "earning" our own respect by living up to personal ideals and achieving our goals. This is the source of self-confidence and attraction.

    Then a man must "earn" a woman's trust and respect through slow and patient courtship. For a woman, love is an act of self-surrender, which renders her vulnerable. Her happiness depends on her careful choice of husband.

    The popular misconception that we are entitled to love is another aspect of our oc-culture, and is partly responsible for our arrested development. Instead of becoming more worthy, more useful, we seek the magical "someone" who will love us just as we are.


    WHAT WE CALL LOVE

    What we call love is usually sexual infatuation - hormones. Young women behave as if sex appeal is all they need, and young men tend to confirm this error. The movies show men going gaga over women who have very little to offer, other than being pretty and quirky.

    That's good for ten minutes, what about the rest of life? In the past, women had practical skills as wives and mothers. They learned to cook and sew and make the home beautiful and inviting. They became cultured and mastered a musical instrument. They knew about child rearing.

    But more important, they developed a mental attitude. They were going to join their lives with a man and become his helpmate. They were going to bear his children and project his spirit into the future. That's what a woman's love really means.


    My wife who is Mexican still has something of the Old World. We met five years ago over the Internet. She sent me a link, which she said was a gift. When I opened it, I saw she had designed a great new web site for my book, 'A Long Way To Go For A Date' .

    Love at first web site, her gesture told me that she was prepared to be useful, to 'help' me.

    A woman helping a man! What a strange concept these days when an ancient satanic conspiracy nears culmination.