Posts by Legacy

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Wasting Time In The Ministry--How Did You Do It??

by minimus in

jw
friends

i know of a couple of elders that regularly went out in the ministry throughout the week.

no matter which street they were on, they always seemed to be near the same spot.

someone here talked about the michael jackson moonwalk.

Legacy

HI,

Stand at the door for a while after you rang the bell. This shows that you are not just out ringing bells & moving away...They love when you ring the bell & wait for a long time....because they say, most likely the are home but just don't want to answer the bell. Some try to look in the peep holes & say, I think I saw someone...then stand some more...if it's a 2 or 3 family house...one friend rings the door bell, the other one goes out to see if someone comes to the window..then they say..I think I saw a curtain move...(most likely it's a windy day & the wind blew the curtain) but this is a tactic to show how zealous one is....Many have many tricks. Some say they have a return visit, knowing the person ain't home but they have already made coffee break arrangements with another friend & say, we are going on a return visit...but all they are doing is driving out to the farest Dunkin Donuts so they are not seen in the territory.

I have a slew of return visits...I'm saving them for just the right moment...shhhh, don't tell anybody....

Legacy

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Who are doing Jehovah's will today? Brochure

by KateWild in

this brochure is being studied, in the org starting form this week.

it rams lies down our throats, trying to convince us the the wt is god's organisation.

it lies to us about how the wt is doing jehovah's will.. we are going to be subjected to lies, lies and more lies for weeks.

Legacy

@ Tec,

I see exactly what you are saying...I agree..& so you have to ask yourself are they following men or God ? I think folks have to see something to follow. It's not enough just to follow something that one can't see. In the days of Paul & others, they didn't have the complete bible so they had to have blind faith. We have the scriptures & so we see...I think it really comes down to fellowshipping being around folks who care for you. Wherever you go, you meet ones that have the same mind as you..spiritual...& that can be a comfort, but not for all....As you say, some like to be led around blindly...have no mind of their own. Those are the same folks that join pyramid schemes..JOINERS....bet you in school they did just enough to get through.

Do you think that when God said get out of her..he meant the ORG. TOO ?

Legacy

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Who are doing Jehovah's will today? Brochure

by KateWild in

this brochure is being studied, in the org starting form this week.

it rams lies down our throats, trying to convince us the the wt is god's organisation.

it lies to us about how the wt is doing jehovah's will.. we are going to be subjected to lies, lies and more lies for weeks.

Legacy

Hi,

I have my meeting tonight. What I see so many people harp on is that ..THIS IS GOD'S ORG. why is that so important ? What makes folks want to be chosen, why wouldn't it be ok if it wasn't God's Org. but that they try to stick to the bible the best that they know how. Has anyone here ever been on other sites about other religions, don't you know that most folks that are a part any religion find fault & most believe they are chosen by God/Jesus. Why are people harping on that ? This is what really puzzles me...Then upset because the org. says they are, but then we see well maybe they are not. Do we think so much of ourselves that we won't worship unless it's validated by God. Every place of worship thinks they are chosen, but haven't we all read that God is not partial.

If one wants to be part of a religion, don't think too much of oneself to think that where they go has been chosen. Be there because you want to & believe at least 70 to 80 % of what they say...Go to the Bible...that's the absolute truth & stop being angry that this isn't God's org. Basically what I'm saying is..

So What it isn't God's org. neither is the vatican or any other place of worship. I know they say they are, but it's been proven more than a million times they are not. Don't Jewish folks still think they are chosen ? Who told them ? God/Jesus & they still think it...whether it's true or not...at the end of the day...try to follow God/Jesus the best way you can. Wake up everyday & try to be a better person than the day before.

Man can't even direct his own steps...keep that in mind, & if you do that, wherever you worship you will stay, because if you are looking for an org. that is chosen by God, you'll never find one. Be the one the God has chosen...in the midst of an org.

I did my studies for tonight...let's see how they present it tonight..The answers are right there...but we still gonna have to put it in our own words. I think they are going to call on the young ones more..we shall see...

Legacy

154

Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

by EdenOne in

adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.

it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.

why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.

Legacy

Hi,

Why did Eve sin.....because she could...I don't know if I commented on this before...but...here's my take...how did she know what bad was, had she ever seen or heard bad ? Adam & Eve were sheltered....God gave them everything...all good...just a warning of don't eat from the tree because you would die or something like that, about to go home & just wanted to post...anyway...what did they know about bad....how many witnesses don't know nothing about wordly stuff & they live right here on earth...now we have Adam & Eve who only saw good, only heard good...they had nothing to compare it with...Did they see animals killed, did they ever get sick...all food was good to eat...most likely the weather was always...GOOD..there goes that word again...

I once read either on this site or another...God made a rule, so with every rule comes a law which protects the rule. There was bad before Eve...Satan was tossed out of heaven why because he was BAD...so Bad didn't start with Eve..it started in Heaven....so I think God knew about free will, if his own angel Satan choose bad....why was the snake the most cautious of all the animals...why did Satan take on the identity of a snake, Why ask Why...

So all this to say, she had no knowledge of what bad was...no comparison....Poor Eve....I could go deeper but what's the sense. I think we all wonder what it would have been like if she didn't take of the fruit....boggles the mind, doesn't it.

Legacy

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For the ones who believe in Bible - What does the scriptures here imply on subjection to religious leaders? - Hebrews 13:17-19, 22-25

by MissConfused in

do we really need an organization and need to be in subjection to it as god always chose leaders (abhraham, moses, jesus, apostles)?

what are your thoughts?

how can you reason this out?.

Legacy

Hi,

Don't think there are any direct scriptures from the bible re: Organizations. If you read the bible with literature from the WT, then you'll see it, not because it's in there but the way they make a round peg fit in a square hole. Jesus Christ is the way to his Father .....think of it this way....when on a road leading to where you want to go...you need signs...the org are signs, that's all they are supposed to be, just to make sure you don' t walk or drive off the road. Each sign encourages us that we are going the right way...But the signs don't dictate, because you can choose to follow the sign or not, if you don't the sign will not shun you (get my drift).. The org. is for folks who have a need to belong & need structure. Then there are others like me, that don't mind the org. but don't care one way or another if the org. is really God's mouth piece, because in the end I'll have to carry my own load....saying to God on judgement day, Hey God, You know, before you look at my life's laundry list of deeds...I just want to mention, I'm a witness....no doubt that won't be your password & he won't be impressed. The org. is a good go to place...if you are out of town or you need a bible, or whatever, but God's mouthpiece...NOT....God is the same yesterday, today & tomorrow...only man's understandings change...all day & everyday...

Legacy

122

Can the jw organization be reformed?

by wannaexit in

jw
friends

i know that this has been discussed in the past but i wanted to get some fresh opinions.

there are many out there that recognize the "rot" that is in watchtower but still feel that there is a "wholesome" side to it and are trying to bring about change or reform from within.. in 2002 when the rose colored glasses came off for me and i truly started to understand ttatt, i still felt that there was some redemable aspects of the organization.. i felt that russell had some doctrinal things right.

i don't feel like that anymore.

Legacy

Hi,

What is the saying if it's ain't broke don't fix it....The Society doesn't know they are broken, they mis/spoke, speculated, misunderstood...but never wrong. If an org. or person gives all these excuses for saying, they are not wrong....then we have to say..Ah, don't think so...

I don't doubt for a minute that the Society doesn't monitor sites like these & others & they see that there are holes in some of the stuff they say..& yet, they still march on....they stick to their story...It is not allowed to show a different opinion or interpretation of a scripture...why because of this unity thing...

You see, & many know this...we are thinking many are leaving & not so many coming in..they don't care if only one newby comes in a year & one lost sheep returns every 5 yrs....to them it's Jehovah's organization, that is what keeps most there...they really & truly believe that...no matter what...to put it another way, It has to be Jehovah's organization....the world has lied to most of them (not like it hasn't lied to everyone) but they take it more personal...if this is not his organization, they would be no more good....They have a sense of belonging & most of them need structure...Most of us live our lives in balance...we try not to eat too much, drink too much, have too much casual sex....don't think that every person we meet is the one....but most witnesses are not balanced thinkers. They can't do anything in moderation, they have to be somewhere where they are held accountable.

I love my hall & most of the friends....we are all a little off....they complain that so & so is crazy spend sometime with any of them...they are off as well. I'm not saying I don't have any issues but somehow the issues most of them have I don't....They are petty, easily offended, get all uptight when a CO or a Bethlite comes to the hall to visit...example..I go out in service on Saturdays if possible & sometimes on Sunday well anyway, last week I didn't go, so my x study conductor (I'm now baptised) said she would see me this Sat. but that one of the other Elders is coming. Here's the rub, if I'm going out in service I'm going out because that's what I want to do...not because CO or any so called inportant brother is joining our field service group...then a few weeks ago, I had a talk...so the same x study conductor says, wow, you have a talk the same day the CO is coming, ain't that something...I said oh well, I still have to give the talk..so let's say I really was validated by these men, I most likely would have been so nervous...but I didn't let that affect me come to find out, he went into the smaller school to see the other talk..so I would have been nervous for nothing at all...They are still impressed with mortal men & status....Once I saw that & decided that this just may not be God's org...I was fine. I don't have any pride because of this may or may not be God's org. So what if it is & so what if it isn't....no matter what I'm still going to have to carry my own load & so will all in the society...that's very sobering when you come to think of it...that each and everyone of is going to have to give an account of themselves...just being a witness is not a password for everlasting life. God is not going to say, Hey Mary, so, while you were on earth were you a witness...ah, you were...come right on in...Not happening...It's the idea of being chosen, that's what blows up their skirts...nothing more, nothing less. Why type of folks want to be chosen...I will leave that as a question...no maybe I'll answer....they think they are better than others....

So all that to say, can or will they reform....no, they will adjust but not reform...I've posted on different topix on here & what I have learned about the society is that they are teflon...nothing or nobody touches them or maybe even care. There is too much controversy about them & yet, the rest of the world is unaware of any of it...They have been blinding the minds of many for years & will continue to do so...Catholics, Baptists, Mormons, all have a ring of truth, yet none of them will ever sit at a table together & thrash is all out, to come up with the truth that is written in the bible...too much arrogance & pride, my God is better than you God...that's how humans mature or imature think...

At the end of the day...the bible is about life lessons..&&&&& Be Good & Be Ready...in between treat your fellow man right...it's just that simple...it's nice to know that Solomon had x amount of wives, etc. But if you walk in the street & see someone in need maybe they are hurt or hungry, does that information about Solomon matter at all...NO....there were 600 commandements, then 10, now only 2, love God with all your heart & soul & your neighbor...God is our father...he gave us 600 rules, we couldn't do them, then he said, they can't even do that...so he narrowed it down to 10 & we still can't do it...so he threw his hands up in the air & said, darn it...now I'm only giving you 2 commandments..& Guess what yawl ? We can't even do those...

Legacy

60

Paul belived paradise was heaven

by DS211 in

now i want all to add whatever they want to.

i was just reading the bible reading for tonights meeting and started 2 cor 12...and what i noticed was that paul here is revealing something, a revelation or vision of sorts, here it says (and its from the nwt for lurkers).

12 i have to boast.

Legacy

Hi,

Didn't you know...Earth is a duplex, 2nd floor, Heaven or....Heaven is a duplex....2nd floor.....Earth...wonder if we'll have steps....we will be naked & happy, just running up & down the stairs....God will say, stop running up & down those stairs 'fore you hurt yourselves...oops, forgot, they won't be no pain, no such thing as hurting...maybe he'll say, stop slamming that screen door, .....( & under his breath, he'll say, unruly bunch), Jesus, Jesus, tell them to stop running & stop slamming the screen door...( & under his breath again, I knew I should have made Heaven ..ranch style)..

It's all the unknown, ain't nobody came back to tell us nothing...& that's what scares folks..that they may never (as magnificent as we think we are) may never ever return...maybe the grave is eternity...I use to think the bible was written to help us to swallow death better, to say, hey, you are gonna come back, just be good.....

Legacy

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New announcement at this weeks midweek meeting?

by rosyray in

jw
friends

the congregation i'm from is having their meeting tonight.

my husband said that his brother in law, who is an elder, called and said that there were going to be some big announcements tonight and to bring a notepad, because you will want to take notes.. does anybody know about this and what are the announcements?

?.

Legacy

Hi,

I'm trying to sit here & think of the most ridiculous thing but believe it or not...nothing... When they say they have a big annoucement...you get all excited and the next thing you know....it's a pen that says....Jehovah's Kingdom..

But here of lately they have had some doosies...I noticed they removed John 8: 1-11 out of the revised bible..wonder why ? I know, because you could use that as a defense if you get DF'd...even though I heard it's not in the original bible or scrolls or whatever..But I think it's a good scripture to keep in because it tells you not to be too quick to judge....bet ya, the Elders voted to take it out. For folks on here that don't know John 8:1-11, it's about a woman caught in adultery, the towns folks bring her to Jesus to punish her, Jesus says if anyone of you are without sin, cast the first stone...not a peep..he draws in the sand, wonder why he did that, was he thinking or trying to get his composure..then told the lady go home...& behave...no disfellowshiping, no shunning, could still talk to her family & friends & no announcement from the town square...Don't talk to this woman, she is no longer a.....

Come to think of it, the best news they could give is NO MORE DF'ING...will never happen..I have my meeting tonight, will share if it's nationwide...

I still think it's a pen that says "God's Kingdom"

Legacy

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a list of good movies/tv shows to get a JW to think

by nonjwspouse in

ones that have themes that come uncomfortabllly close to the cult dynamic.. i already got him to watch the obsolete man on twilight zone.

he sauggested watching some old tz again tonight so i wioll pick where is everybody, and escape clause.. i have heard oters say the movie truman show was a good movie as is the matrix ( though i detest violence).

any more suggestions for my personal handy dandy list?.

Legacy

Hi,

I have watched so many sci-fi movies where society is controlled by this invisible God...one movie or was it a book that when they would thank some one they would say...Don't thank me Thank UNI...When the story comes to a close...it's really just a bunch of ole men running the show...does sound like something we all know about...The ORG. I really don't think there is too many shows or movies that will get a witness to think. There has to be a common denominator of what type of people are attracted to the truth...did they think before they were witnesses, were they selfish before the were witnesses, did they have trouble putting up with others before they were witnesses, were they complainy, were they depressed ? All if these things should be looked at.

My first bible conductor has told me, she only reads what she is told to read...Many of times I have tried to plant a seed, once I said, well the end is soon & yet babies are still being born, I think the conversation started with a little boy in NYC is still missing now it's almost 4 weeks & she says with all this going on no wonder why Jehovah wants to end this system. That's when I said, well the end maybe soon, yet there babies being born everyday, so God will have to kill more folks the longer this system continues...I didn't want to tell her, if a loving God is sick of this system why is he allowing so many babies to be born because eventually he will have to kill them...I told her this early in the AM via IM (messaging), the next time I heard from her, she was out the door..She does that alot when I say something to make her think, she does not get back to me the next thing I know, she has gone home. A friend that is a xWitness says, she's not ready for the truth...

So all that to say, sure all these movies & books may make a witness think, & that's all they will do, take it in & let it go...They are addicted to the ORG., for many it is their life...& like most humans....Witnesses want to be the chosen ones...but God is not partial...

Legacy

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Adam to be Resurrected - Yes?

by Focus in

jw
friends

will adam be resurrected?.

focus.

(anti-flipfloppery class)

Legacy

Hi,

If you don't know what, sin, Bad, wrong, or actually the opposite of good is, how will you know, what the consequences would hold. Surely you would die, die, what does that mean...Adam says, I don't know what that means...Die or Dead...God says, well it's the opposite of life, Adam says: Duh God, I still don't get it...

So how would Adam & Eve know what evil is, since they didn't have the experience of it...Plus, God made a rule & with rules...comes....Laws...

Don't start none won't be none...I really & truly want to believe in the bible (not man's interpretation), but at times...it's difficult. Some things just don't make any sense. I think God had a real simple message...Love one another, take care of one another & don't dominate one another...

So all that to say...How could the first couple know the opposite of bad, if they never experienced it...How many witnesses don't know anything about the world, certain saying, certain events...& they have the media..Adam & Eve only had God showing them all the nice things...then he made a rule..Maybe that wasn't such a good idea...but I guess he didn't want any robots. Has anyone ever wondered if Adam said, to Eve, I done told ya not to eat it, I'm not eating it...then when God showed up he could say...God, she ate it...I didn't...would've been a whole different story...Maybe God would have given him another woman...who knows.... a friend of mine says Adam was a simpleton...Or would've God still be angry with females only...

According to the witnesses...no, not ever would Adam & Eve be resurrected, they are very adamant about it too...guess if they were resurrected most of the witnesses would kick their butts....cuz if they didn't eat of the tree...we would have been naked & happy..

Legacy