Stephanus: I'm so sorry for the loss of your daughter. I can't imagine anything worse than losing a child.((((()))))
azaria
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"It Came At The Right Time"!
by Stephanus infrom the back of the july 8, 2002 awake!
here is my rewritten version of the above letter to bethel, reflecting my own experiences in this area: .
"i lost my beloved daughter, rachel, in death to asthma on january 14, 1998. more than a month later, i had still not recovered from the shock, numbness, emptiness, and disbelief of one of the most terribly traumatic tragedies that has ever befallen me.
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"It Came At The Right Time"!
by Stephanus infrom the back of the july 8, 2002 awake!
here is my rewritten version of the above letter to bethel, reflecting my own experiences in this area: .
"i lost my beloved daughter, rachel, in death to asthma on january 14, 1998. more than a month later, i had still not recovered from the shock, numbness, emptiness, and disbelief of one of the most terribly traumatic tragedies that has ever befallen me.
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azaria
One JW lady that I used to work with sent her former employer (I’ll call her Jane) that brochure "When Someone You Love Dies" when her brother passed away last summer. When I met this JW lady she asked if Jane had received this brochure because she had dropped it off at the front desk but not bothering to give Jane condolances in person. When I told her that Jane did receive the brochure, this person couldn’t understand why Jane didn’t call her back. She was very upset about this. Jane had just lost her brother; I’m sure she was going to give this lady a call to thank her for the brochure. Apparantly her brother was not a religious man - so I’m sure this comforted Jane tremendously - honestly I don’t believe she even read it, just chucked it in the garbage. This JW lady thinks she is a very compassionate person. She told me so herself.
I get very angry with people of any religion that spew? their own beliefs on another when someone has passed away. When my brother-in-law passed away 6 years ago, one neighbour of mine told me when I was in the line-up at the visitation that their church didn’t have closed caskets; they were always open. My brother-in-law died of cancer and his children wouldn’t have been able to handle it being open. It was hard enough for them that they had lost their dad.
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The WTBTS and Incipient Creature Worship: Are the Anointed Now Demigods?
by Room 215 ini'm prompted to ask this question as i ponder the troubling picture found on page 260 of my wife's isaiah volume two book.
as farkel noted in a previous thread related to this illustration, there's nothing inadvertant about anything depicted in their literature; illustrations such as these are calculated and group-approved for the imagery and message they convey.
as those of you with access to the book in question are aware, staring back at the reader are four cadaverous faces of recognizable members of the governing body surmounting an array of smaller portraits of a non-descript multi-ethnic and varied age assemblage of ``other sheep.".
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azaria
I’m very curious. How does one know if he is of the annointed class? The whole Memorial thing really puzzles me. Why does everyone go to the Memorial and then not partake? Why not just have the Memorial for the annointed class and the rest can stay home. On one of the JW sites (Pure Language) someone wanted to know how many people attended at their congregation and how many partook. Very rarely did someone partake. One person mentioned that over 500 people attended and only1 person partook. I do think that it can really go to somebody’s head if they (delusionally) believe that they are of the annointed class.
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Is everyone bitter against JW's?
by Redneckgurl ini have to post this question, because as i was trying so hard to talk to my husband about what i am learning and what others are saying, he is saying i am not doing this objectively at all, and only hearing things from bitter exjw's who are angry at the org for something.
i say this isn't true, i wasn't searching for answers due to a negative occurance in my life, and i don't believe everyone here was either.
he says i am only emotional about this, and trying to find reasons to prove all the things i have learned as wrong.
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azaria
I enjoyed everyone’s posts. I do believe in justified anger, but then ideally you work it through, let it go and go on. (but I believe that it can only be done through prayer, because I don't think we can do it on our own- sometimes the deed done by someone is too difficult to let go of and I think it can be a daily process of deciding, yes I forgive that person, even if I don’’t feel like doing it) I do believe that when you can’’t let go of anger it mostly hurts yourself. I think it is probably the hardest thing to let go of, but it's what God wants of us.
But I do have a problem with some of the statements. You don't have to be a JW to keep yourself out of trouble. I sometimes wonder, do JW believe that people other than them have no morals, no sense of right or wrong? That we are worldly so we do whatever we want and not worry about the consequences? I was never a JW and never got into drugs or got pregnant out of wedlock, nor have my children used drugs and my daughter has not gotten pregnant (but if she ever did, I would support her, that she knew that I loved her and that she wasn't bad because of it; people of any religion do sometimes get into trouble and then we support them; who hasn't done something wrong or sinful; some things are just easier to hide than others) When all is said and done what God really wants from us is to to have relationships: to love Him and to love each other. I hope I have not offended anyone with these remarks, that was not my intent (I did not write this with bitterness, but more with puzzlement)
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More conditional, emotional blackmail...business as usual for the Duds
by Maverick inmy daughter is graduating from high school next month.
she has lived with me all her life.
her mother, a good and faithful dud, ran off with a 'worldly' co-worker five years ago.
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azaria
Hi Maverick,Sorry to hear about your situation. I firmly believe that whatever one feels about ones spouse (unless there was physical or sexual abuse) should be kept to oneself. Children need to have a relationship with both parents. My mother made the terrible mistake as I was growing up of telling me that my father was a "bastard", not thinking that she was part of the problem. I left my husband because we were having problems, but I will never badmouth him to my children. It is their dad; part of who they are is from him. To me, to criticize him, I would be criticizing them. Hope your wife will someday see that. In the end she may destroy her relationship with her daughter. I really began to resent my mother for badmouthing my dad. (even though he deserved it; he was very arrogant and aloof) By the way I'm having Easter Dinner tomorrow. I invited my son and my middle brother and his son. I found out today that my husband will be alone tomorrow, so I invited him and he accepted. (I felt it was wrong that he be alone- he had planned to go see his parents 5 hours away but decided against it) My kids will enjoy that. So I hope that you all have a ----
WONDERFUL EASTER
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The Voice Within
by Shytears in.
i normally never listen to christina aguilera,but one song by hers just touched my heart..its called "the voice within" omg its weird how music can do wonders and just sooth your soul for a couple of minutes...it feels awesome..i feel i can relate to every single word of this song,its everything i feel and everything i i hope for.well what songs do u really enjoy,that lift your spirits??...
i know i dont post often but guys,if i didnt have ya"ll to console me at times and get me thru my depression i would be miserable.here i have people who understand,who went thru the exact struggles and troubles im going thru,i want u guys to know i sincerly apreciate it and i mean that with all my heart..thanks guys ((((hugs)))) love,laura, .
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azaria
Hi Shytears: this is one of the songs I listened to when I was in my early twenties. (that's 30 yrs ago) I still listen to it and does make me a little melancholy, but I just love that song. It's not easy being a young person. My daughter is almost 17 and it's not always easy for her, she also suffers from depression. But it does get better as you get older.
trust you're feelings, Its easy now
Understand the voice within, and feel the change, already beginningthe one that is calling is you
The Voice (Moody Blues)EM, G, C EM, G, C <-------Instrumental
Em G C
Won't you take me back to school, I need to learn the golden rule
Em G C
Won't you lay it on the line, I need to hear it, just one more timeG C G Am
Oh. oh, won't you tell me again, Oh, oh can you feel it
G C Em C
Oh, oh, won't you tell me again, toniteEm G C
Each and every heart it seems, is bounded by a world of dreams
Em G C
Each and every rising sun, is greeted by a lonely worldG C G Am
Oh. oh, won't you tell me again, Oh, oh can you feel it
G C Em C Em C
Oh, oh won't you tell me again, tonite, toniteD C D
Cause out on the ocean of life my love
Bm E Am
There's so many storms, we must rise above
F A
Can you hear the spirit calling, as its carried across the waves
Dm C G F
Your already falling, Its calling you back to face the music
A
And this song that is coming through
Dm C G C D
You're already falling, the one that is calling is youEm G C
Make a promise take a vow, trust you're feelings, Its easy now
Em G C
Understand the voice within, and feel the change, already beginningG C G Am
Woh. oh won't you tell me again, Oh, oh can you feel it
G C Em C
Oh, oh won't you tell me again, toniteEM, G, C EM, G, C
G C G Am
Oh, oh won't you tell me again, Oh, oh can you feel it
G C Em C Em C
Oh, oh won't you tell me again, tonite, toniteeD C D
And how many words have I got to say
Bm E Am
And how many times will it be this way
F A
With you're arms around the future, And your back up against the past
Dm C G F
Your already falling, Its calling you want to face the music
A
And the song that is coming through
Dm C G C D
You're already falling, the one that its calling is youEm G C
Each and every heart it seems, is bounded by a world of dreams
Em G C G
And each and every rising sun, is greeted by a lonely, lonely worldC G Am
Won't you tell me again, Oh, oh can you feel it
G C Em C
Oh, oh, won't you tell me again, toniteG C G Am
Oh, oh, won't you tell me again, Oh, oh can you feel it
G C Em C Em C
Oh, oh won't you tell me again, tonite, tonite.
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80's pop music..didn't you love it?
by ScoobySnax ini just know brummie will be here with me on this one, but wasn't the eighties pop music just the best (maybe i'm getting old here at 32) but hey, bring back wham!
and duran duran, nik kershaw, howard jones kate bush aha etc etc.....just great.....reminds me of all my school days, being naughty and getting detention on more than one occasion.
there was no better decade for music.. union of the snake scott
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azaria
larc: forgot - was it Carl Perkins that sang Blue Suede Shoes? My husband likes that kind of music; from the 50's (he's a little older than me) Elvis etc. Maybe that was the reason I left him, we liked different music. (just kidding)
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80's pop music..didn't you love it?
by ScoobySnax ini just know brummie will be here with me on this one, but wasn't the eighties pop music just the best (maybe i'm getting old here at 32) but hey, bring back wham!
and duran duran, nik kershaw, howard jones kate bush aha etc etc.....just great.....reminds me of all my school days, being naughty and getting detention on more than one occasion.
there was no better decade for music.. union of the snake scott
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azaria
I totally agree with rocketman; it depends on which decade you were born in. A couple of years ago my kids couldn't stand my music, so I told them someday your kids won't be able to stand your music. Oh no! not my music. Now like me, they both like Pink Floyd (my son is 20 and my daughter 16) My daughter even likes some of Van Morrison. In gr 8 she hated it when I sang along with Brown Eyed Girl because it reminded me of her (except a few parts-but we'll ignore those). But I do think the music somehow was better in the 60 and 70's. There was so much more experimentation. Jimi Hendrix, Beatles, Byrds, Cream, Eric Clapton, Bob Dylan, David Bowie etc etc) It wasn't one type of music (like today it seems to me it's either hard rock, bubblegum music, or hip-hop. But who am I to say what good music is. If somebody is really moved by music, whatever it is, Classic, Rock, Jazz, then someone really doesn't have the right to condemn something they don't like (but I don't like hip-hop or punk-I'm sorry ) Below is part of a thread I started a while back.
Van Morrison, Marvin Gaye (What’s Going On), Temptations, Drifters (Under the Boardwalk) Spencer Davis Group, Gimme, Gimme some Lovin, Pink Floyd, Moody Blues The Voice (always imagined Uncle Bruce looking like Graeme Edge-the drummer- even back when I used to go to H20) Canadians - Burton Cummings and Gino Vanelli, Lighthouse were good in the 70's. Another Canadian Neil Young Harvest Moon, Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, the Byrds Eight Miles High, Turn , Turn, Turn, Simon & Garfunkel The Boxer. the Eagles. I even liked Juthro Tull (Ian Anderson) at times. So many good groups we've missed. I even liked funk at times (was that in the 80"s?) Sly & the Family Stone Dance to the Music. I did like Howard Jones.
Here's a link for us oldies that grew up in the 60's (groovy) http://www.orangesunshine.com/text/the60s.htm (sorry you'll have to copy & paste)
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Kingdom melodie haunting me
by Vivamus inomg, how horrible is this:.
you know when you have a certain tune in your head, and you just can't figure out which one it is?
well, i just figured mine out, its "hey daar al gij dorstigen, komt en drink het levenswater vrij".
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azaria
Gelukkig heefd ik nooit van dat liedje gehoord. Maar dan gelukkig was ik nooit een JW.
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HELP US CELEBRATE PLEEEEEEEEEEASE....
by nightwarrior inour son ben is celebrating his 15th birthday on friday 11, but actually it is his 1st birthday aswell.. so please help us celebrate with him be sending him some cool messages.
he is really excited, and he is getting some cool pressies.
he has been really funny, but it is lovely to see.. we would really appreciate it.. thanks everyone.
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azaria
HAPPY BIRTHDAY BEN!
