Since ive been attending churches I have been shocmsd to find how many denominations belive life eternal in physical boxies right here on earth. Im not sure I agree it is a majority but it is very common. I dlnt know shy jws are golx they are the only ones that believe the paradkse earth thing. But my question is:is paradise a metaphor for heaven lr is heaven a metaphor for paradise?
friendaroonie
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Paul belived paradise was heaven
by DS211 innow i want all to add whatever they want to.
i was just reading the bible reading for tonights meeting and started 2 cor 12...and what i noticed was that paul here is revealing something, a revelation or vision of sorts, here it says (and its from the nwt for lurkers).
12 i have to boast.
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Marilyn Zweifel of the 800-why-1914 Helpline passed away yesterday
by coffee_black inmarilyn manned the helpline for many years, and touched the lives of so many effected by the wt.
she will be missed.. coffee .
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friendaroonie
One of. The first actions I ever took on my way out was call why 1914' I had many great conversations with Marilgn. She had a very motherly way about her. She encohraged me to go out there and live life. And I took that advice. Thank you Marilyn and God bless you.
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Discussion w/ Wife: I Welcome Your Suggestions
by breakfast of champions inso these last few wts have definitely eroded my wife's faith in the org.
she is definitely seeing the bs, and i even overheard her talking openly about it to a family member.
good for her!.
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friendaroonie
It is simply not accurate to say jws are unique in preaching and in not going to war. The quaker church I attend has a dynamic and expansive preaching and teaching work. It jusr doesn't look the same as the obvious door to door and street preaching of jws. The friends church (quakers) sometimes take walks around the neighborhood as a group and strike up conversations with the neighbors. They get to know them and ask if they have any needs that they can help with. They subtly work in a spiritual conversation but it is done delicately. They are always coming up with new and unique ways to preach but the concentration is on being friendly and helpful. They send missionaries all over the world. And they are pacifists and many of them have gone to prison for their stand.
And this is just one example. Really most churches are not gung ho for war. They just dont kick their members out for joining. Individual consciences come into play however. And after all we do have to defend ourselves if we are attacked so we might as well be good at it and practice for different scenarios and be ready. Yahweh is one of the most blood thirsty war mkngering character ever invented so lets not pretend he doesnt enjoy a nice bloody battle. So the facts really do show that preaching and peace are viewed as virtuous behabiors in christendom and most religions.
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Just this simple fact of life is proof of God....
by EndofMysteries ini'll be curious for any alternative plausible explanations for this...... .
every lifeform on earth, humans, plants, bacteria, cells, anything with life originated with other life.
all trees come from living seeds from other trees, etc.
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friendaroonie
Yeah this is an old one. And you act like you just thought of it and you are soooo smart. Where have you been the last 150 years that this question has been argued. In fact im sure there are a dozen threads on this question right here on jwn.
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What Was The Effect of You Knowing Hypocritical JW's?
by LoisLane looking for Superman in(1) did it cause you to leave sooner than you might have, otherwise.. (2) it didn't bother you enough to do anything about it.
hey, we are all imperfect.. (3) did you want to prove you were better than they, and nothing they could do or say, was going to stumble you.. (4) they stumbled me, probably as much i stumbled them.
we all know it's an old boy's club and we are not going to tell on each other.. loislane.
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friendaroonie
I could never stomach a hypocrite. But it never played much of a part in my leaving. It was the truth no matter how bad the people are. That reasoning covered all sin even if every member was adolf hitler. But I sure hated the hypocrites and still take great pleasure in holding them to the fire.
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2014 Event
by enigma1863 ini know its a year away but i wanted to inquire about the hundred year anniversary of 1914. it would be amazing to have a world wide event reguarding all exjws.
i am nowhere near capable of putting this together but i'd like to propose the largest assembly of exjws ever on october 1st 2014. can it be done?
am i the first to bring this up?
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friendaroonie
Well I love the idea of mass walkouts at assemblies. I have suggested it many times on this site and have offered to take care of all the details and expenses in making it happen. I put my number on this site, requested that people pm me to meet , plan and execute. Ive offered eternal life, endless riches and a hand job and never once got a single pm to even TALK about it, let alone actually plan. In fact if I am knvolved in a project that is a bad sign. So maybe ill say I wont have any part of this terrible idea and it might have a.chance.
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2014 Event
by enigma1863 ini know its a year away but i wanted to inquire about the hundred year anniversary of 1914. it would be amazing to have a world wide event reguarding all exjws.
i am nowhere near capable of putting this together but i'd like to propose the largest assembly of exjws ever on october 1st 2014. can it be done?
am i the first to bring this up?
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friendaroonie
Having meetings on high llaces, hills, bridges, buildings and the Mount of Olives like the dubs did in 1914 would be a great tribute.
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who is greg stafford? under whose authority does.he.work?
by friendaroonie ini was jjzt watchkng his.debate with.dr.james.white.
as dr.white noted he.gives.answers you wkll not.hear frlm jws.at hour.door.
this is.be ause jws.as re.told the opposite.of.wbat stafford.says.on.many points.
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friendaroonie
I was jjzt watchkng his.debate with.dr.james.white. he.uses.reasonings that the watchtower.has.nver.used. he reaches.the.same conclusilns.as.the.gb but.actually.contradicts them on.details. as dr.white noted he.gives.answers you wkll not.hear frlm jws.at hour.door. this is.be ause jws.as re.told the opposite.of.wbat stafford.says.on.many points. I hVe.never heRx of hkm before.yesterday but he.LlRently.has.wrotten.a.book.and a few.dissertations. does he have special permission.from the.society to have.a.full time.career debating.scholars of.theology? Where is he from? Does.anyone.know him? What.congregation does.he.go to? Was he at bethel?
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Who Really Will Give JWN Members the Proper Food at the Proper Time?
by nochoice inhello friends.
do we have a board member that has committed to divulging the annual meeting highlights as soon as they're out?
i understand the live show will be at 10:00 am on saturday.
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friendaroonie
We seem to be getting it in quite the timely manner.straight from the governing body about six.months.before.any.j.w.
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This website finally helped me understand the claim of 100% failure rate
by ILoveTTATT inup to about 5 minutes ago... i still had the notion that maybe jw's predicted something and got it right... that the league of nations was going to rise and become the united nations.
i think that jw prophecies/predictions are like a shotgun: shoots many projectiles, one of them has got to hit.
you cannot predict 5 different things and then, when one of them gets partly fulfilled, drop the other 4.5 things, change the 1/2 thing you predicted that was right and make it seem like that was the only thing you predicted, and make the entire one point fit after the fact.. reading watchtower literature throughout the years (1879 till now), and then coming here and getting awesome explanations from people like leolaia and other researchers, i finally understand the claim that most apostate websites make: the wt has a 100% prediction failure rate.. they were lucky that something big happened in 1914... but now i am much wiser and i know that everything they predicted for 1914 did not turn out as they predicted... 1914 has been a date with many different hats... from the start of armageddon, to the beginning of the last days... etc.... thank you very much jwn for completely opening my mind.
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friendaroonie
This is a good time to plug the book "when prophesy fails" by leon festinger, one of the main books that helped me see TTATT.