Posts by bebu

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The Bear and the Atheist

by Country_Woman in

the bear and the atheist .

an atheist was walking through the woods, admiring all that the "accident of evolution" had created.

"what majestic trees!

JWU

by RAYZORBLADE in

maybe it's only me who laughs at my own jokes, but i thought...what the heck...i'll copy/paste this from another thread.

is there anyone who would like to recreate a time frame schedule for jwu (jehovah's witness university) ?

here's mine.

bebu

Thanks Ray! Those were quite hysterical!!

BTW, what is Jehovah Movus Mostus?

bebu

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4 jokes

by bebu in

during the war with iraq, a leader assembled all of saddam hussein's doubles.

addressing them, he said, "i've got some good news and some bad news.

the good news is that saddam is alive and well!

bebu

Shamus, your avatar is hysterical!!

bebu

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4 jokes

by bebu in

during the war with iraq, a leader assembled all of saddam hussein's doubles.

addressing them, he said, "i've got some good news and some bad news.

the good news is that saddam is alive and well!

During the war with Iraq, a leader assembled all of Saddam Hussein's doubles. Addressing them, he said, "I've got some good news and some bad news. The good news is that Saddam is alive and well!" Cheering ensued. "The bad news is, that he is missing an arm..."

At a large auction, the auctioneer held up a French musket and began, "Who'll start the bidding for this musket in such fine shape, having only been dropped once..."

A joke reportedly told in the Middle East before the war: Bush and Blair are drinking coffee at a restaurant. Up comes Rumsfeld, and Blair says to him, "Bush and I are planning to have a war in Iraq, and we are expecting that 14 million arabs and 1 dentist will be killed." Rumsfeld is puzzled. "One dentist?" "See, I told you," Bush tells Blair, "No one is going to ask about 14 million arabs..."

The joke being told in the Middle East after the war: Saddam is waiting on one side of a large chasm, and he see the Iraqi Minister of Information appear on the other side, holding up 2 fingers. "Praise be to Allah! It is victory!" Saddam exclaims. "No, Mr. Hussein; you and I are the only 2 left..."

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REGI stockbroker report shows military connections for Rand Cam

by bebu in

i haven't seen this posted before here.

it's rather a newer document (feb 19, 2003), so it may not have made it onto your radar screens yet.

suprised i found it, myself.

bebu

Heehee. Folks, I apologize.

A few months ago, I was researching Rand on the web, and was using "bomb" or "smart bomb" or whatever as part of the search. Nothing was coming up except ex-JW sites which was using this phrase to explain some of the applications the engines were being used with; nothing of real substance other than allegations. Back then, for some reason I was just having trouble finding a good secular document like the one I posted. So, I was excited when I happened across this stockbroker.com website!!

Now it seems I can't open a web browser window without bumping into a Rand Cam Engine/military application site. ("They're everywhere! They're everywhere!")

bebu

PS: seems our language is evolving when I find myself saying the above instead of, "you can't open a car door without hitting (x)". How easy to do this...

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Introduction

by Hope_ful in

i have been "lurking" (my apologies to anyone who is irritated or offended by that) for some time now.

i was raised as a jw - i had the dubious honor of being a presiding overseer's daughter.

my little bro and i were perfect little dubs (or is it "duds" ?!

bebu

Welcome, hope_ful. Hope you will be sharing more as time goes by.

bebu

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What GOOD has ever come about from Christianity ?!?!

by Hamas in

jw
friends

people have touched on this subject in other posts.....

i was just wondering ..... has there ever been anything good come about thanks to christianity?.

all i can think of is oppression, torture, hypocrisy, etc....... .

bebu

Christian ethics: Love God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength. Love your neighbor as yourself--and this extends to loving those who are different from your group, the "Samaritans" you dislike. And not just the ones you may dislike, but loving those who actively hate you; praying for the best of those who are persecuting you. Forgiving all those who sin against you--or you will forfeit your own forgiveness from God.

...Stop judging people based simply on their actions; submit/commit your way to God, who knows your own heart (and every one else's true motives as well)... Live with love; live in faith in God to work all things to good. Because Jesus lives, there is always hope.

Also, actively doing good by assisting the poor, or inviting the poor to occasions tho' they can't return favors. Lending without expecting payback. Turn the other cheeck; go the extra mile. Doing good works/fasting/praying without a trumpet in front of you. Whatever you do to the "least" on earth is considered an act toward Christ.

We might be able to count hospitals, but think of the people that, because they were Christians, obeyed Christ's commands and forgave/prayed for/ helped others. The forgiveness that has flowed in my own family came only because of such obedience, and the goodness that has resulted is immeasureable! It keeps on coming, too.

bebu

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What GOOD has ever come about from Christianity ?!?!

by Hamas in

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friends

people have touched on this subject in other posts.....

i was just wondering ..... has there ever been anything good come about thanks to christianity?.

all i can think of is oppression, torture, hypocrisy, etc....... .

bebu

Do agnostics and other fence-sitters like the fence because they feel they will then be free from responsibility? This is what it's looking like to me at this moment. But they are definitely more responsible than they realize...

A man spoke with a rabbi. "I don't believe in God!" he exclaimed. "Look at all the wretched things that religious people have done. Look at all the misery that 'God' allows. No, I don't believe that God, especially if He is good, exists at all."

The rabbi smiled at him and said, "You must be a very kind man! Since you see that God is not acting , then I realize that each time you see a hungry child that God is not feeding, you must be taking upon yourself the part of God, doing what that imaginary God would do if He did exist. Every time you see an injustice, I know you must stop and work to make sure that it gets resolved with justice. Whenever you see a Jew fail to act with mercy, you yourself intervene on behalf of the downtrodden. Since for you God doesn't exist, I know that you surely must be stepping into His place doing all that He does not do. Yes, you are a very kind and compassionate man..."

Anyway, two recent articles.

http://www.house.gov/reform/cj/hearings/01.04.26/diiulio.htm

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/living/religion/5513235.htm

A short section from the philly link:

Religion

Posted on Sun, Mar. 30, 2003

Philadelphia's map of the faithful
A landmark Penn survey has cataloged the life and works of hundreds of the city's congregations.
By Jim Remsen
INQUIRER FAITH LIFE EDITOR

How much do you figure the social programs run by Philadelphia's houses of worship save the city in tax dollars?

Try $250 million a year - fully half of what the city spends for its own comparable programs.

What slice of congregations' budgets is devoted to social programs? On average, 21.6 percent.

What percentage of city residents are members of congregations? That's 48 percent.

How many "denominational affiliations" are represented across Philadelphia? Seven hundred.

University of Pennsylvania professor Ram Cnaan knows all that for a certainty, and much more.

Like a cyber-mountaineer, Cnaan is sitting on a virtual Everest of computer information about the city's "faith communities."

Over the last three years, the social-work professor has led a team of Penn researchers in compiling the Philadelphia Census of Congregations, considered the most extensive survey of its type undertaken in a major U.S. city.

It's an interesting article.

Hamas, I think your mind is completely made up already about this. (I wonder why I'm even responding... )

bebu

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REGI stockbroker report shows military connections for Rand Cam

by bebu in

i haven't seen this posted before here.

it's rather a newer document (feb 19, 2003), so it may not have made it onto your radar screens yet.

suprised i found it, myself.

bebu

Thanks for the comments.

Actually, I have been aware of the SEC filings, and also the rebuttal by WT. I don't swallow that rebuttal; there seems to be a very suspicious wording in the beginning of the response: "we found that none of the legal corporations used by the Governing Body in caring for the Kingdom interests own stock in Rand Cam...". This leaves a lot of other possibilities available. Perhaps ownership is vested with a corporation that isn't considered a 'legal corp'; or else a legal corporation, but it isn't used by the GB; or else it is a legal corp used by the GB but not in caring for Kingdom interests, etc.

What I appreciate about this page is that there is clearly a strong intent by the company to pursue military applications; in fact, it looks like they believe that military contracts could be the backbone of all their business. I was having difficulty finding a nice, secular, non-biased website that could clearly show that Rand Cam had clear intentions of pursuing this. Something that connected the dots easily.

I am trying to figure out what some of this paragraph from the Nov 11 2000 SEC proxy statement means:

Rand Cam Engine Corp. is a privately held company whose stock is reportedly owned 50% by The Watchtower Society, a religious organization, 34% by James McCann and the balance by several other shareholders. Mr. McCann has indicated that he donated the shares held by The Watchtower Society to that organization but has retained a voting proxy for those shares. Accordingly, the beneficial ownership of the 5,367,900 shares registered in the name of Rand Energy Group Inc. can be attributed to The Watchtower Society and Mr. McCann. The Company believes it would be misleading and not provide clear disclosure to list as beneficial owners in the table the other entities and persons discussed in this paragraph, although a strict reading of Rule 13d-3 under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 might require each such entity and person to be listed in the beneficial ownership table.

I don't know if that is language that is regular for this type of document, or what... I don't deal with these financial things like this in my daily life...

Anyway, just in case someone wants to look at them, here are two links for the SEC and for the WT response:

http://www.infolink-net.de/images/wt-brief-rand.jpg

http://www.cultureshocksolution.org/public_html/Rand%20Cam%20Engine%20Corp.txt --please note that this document was filed by the registrant (REGI US Inc)

Any other thoughts/comments?

bebu

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Another Df'ing/suicide...in memory of a dear friend...

by Ghost of Esmeralda in

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friends

things have calmed down again with my mother to the point where i found myself once again in her kitchen last night.

drinking too many cups of coffee as i always do at her house, i imagine if i were a smoker i'd have been lighting one cigarette after another instead.

it had been a pleasant enough evening, i sat there with my crocheting in my lap, something i always take with me to my mother's house so that if i get nervous or stressed out, my hands, and my mind, have something to do and somewhere to go.

bebu

((((Essie))))

I hope that somehow we may all lessen your pain as we share your burden of sorrow with you. May you find comfort that he is truly in Kinder Hands.

God bless.

bebu