after lady liberty gave a link to the new re-examine site, i found some details that are so disturbing its boggling my mind.. first, the original presidents were voted in, but not one vote per person but for every $10.00 contributed you received a vote.
so those already in power and with much money had tremendous sway as to who got in and who didn't.
this little scheme was not stopped until 1944.. so when rutherford was "elected by a unanimous vote" we can assume it was mainly of his own doing based on money contributed.
restrangled (or anyone else),
Could you please give a link to the information on reexamine to which you are referring?
Also, the scan of the interview in which details about the $10 donation system were given... which book is that from?
Yeah, just when you think you've pretty much heard it all...
bebu
apupi - idaho.
"there were watchtowers and osmond cd's strewn around everywhere" recalled the shaken resident marjorie spade, whose yard was the setting for a lame, sissy fight.
"i couldn't believe that in this day and age we still are fighting religious wars", she said in the aftermath of the flailing, ineffectual fracas.. apparantly the outbreak of faith-based nerd violence took place when two groups of youths approached eachother while out in their respective ministries.
Nobody was sure who tried to throw the first sissy slap, but "Back packs and cheap faux leather bags were just flying everywhere.", explained lJerry Jasper, a local eyewitness of the harrowing scene.
My favorite line. I look forward to further news reports.
bebu
ok.. so..as i posted on a recent thread scans of many places the society claims to be a "prophet", see here:http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/122290/2160659/post.ashx#2160659.
notice this claim.. and note too that it was only 7 years before 1975:http://www.jwfiles.com/scans/aw10-8-68p23.htm.
and now look at what they wrote after the big 1975 let down:.
Yes, LL!
And how funny that the article's first proof of being THE prophet of God was because they were WARNING everyone about the League of Nations (UN)! Irony, irony, irony.
bebu
apupi - illinois.
local jw, susan estrogen, recalls her horror when she first saw the large, orange vegetables on the porch.
"there i was between breaks while out on field service when i saw it!
CYP, I hope that wasn't art imitating life (your own life as a UBI).
Ya know, you ought to put CANS of pumpkin on the front door area... cans of corn and squash, too. Let's see what kind of reaction those will bring--or will canning somehow turn demonized vegetables into something kosher?
bebu
BTW, I'll bet a lot of kids would agree that veggies are dastardly... (I like 'em, though)
ok.. so..as i posted on a recent thread scans of many places the society claims to be a "prophet", see here:http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/122290/2160659/post.ashx#2160659.
notice this claim.. and note too that it was only 7 years before 1975:http://www.jwfiles.com/scans/aw10-8-68p23.htm.
and now look at what they wrote after the big 1975 let down:.
Hi LL,
I can't remember the year/issue, but there was a lovely WTS article with a huge headline, "They shall know that a PROPHET is among them!" Humbly submitting that, by the definition they gave in the article, they were the very prophet!
bebu
hi guys,.
sorry to burden you all with this but i really have no one that i want to talk about this with, i'm afraid that i will burst into tears and wont be able to stop if i call any of my friends and tell them what's going on.
my little sister has been ill with a fever for three weeks, her doctor kept telling her it was just a bad case of the flu and that she had an ear infection, he gave her antibiotics and sent her home.
((((((((((((((((((((((((((((LOLA))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Dear girl, I want you to know how sorry I am to hear about your little sister. This really breaks my heart. 13 is so young, and you love her so very much. That is a lot of anxiety and sorrow for you both to carry.
I pray that she will find a way back to health. I'm grateful she has you to care for her at this time, although it's a very hard place to be, I know.
((((((HUGS)))))
bebu
i run into 6 sisters today .
i would guess poineering.
figured i'd stop and give them a try.
!!!!
Yes, you did excellent today!!
And it's great that you can be so flexible with your audience!!
bebu
good morning jwd!..as many of you know i live in the wilderness.this morning i woke up to scatching on my window..odd i thought,what is that?..just then a squirrel comes diving through my partially open window..i did what any fearless mountain man would do.i hid my nuts..lol!
!..i tried to catch the little varmint with a fish tank net.that didn`t work,he`s just too fast..so i brought one of the huskeys in the house.took him about 5 minutes to figure out why he was in my bedroom.dogs are never allowed in my bedroom.he finaly spots the squirrel grabs it and took it outside..he got a nice treat for that..whats next?..a deer in the dining room..a bear in the bathroom?...outlaw
*Ahem*
EEEEEEK, a rat!! Make it go away!
bebu
who prefers squirrels and rats at a distance
how many of us have ever been taught the drunkards prayer?..none i`ll bet..the prayer is the same worldwide..ask anyone..how is it we may have never even heard of the drunkards prayer,but know it word for word after a night of drinking too much?..lol!
!...outlaw
I think it goes something like, "Dear God, just let me live thru this and I swear I'll never drink again!!"
...right?
bebu
this question is not "do you believe in justice".
the question is, do you prefer its existence?
-- iow, do you want it to exist, even if you don't think it does?
LOL Narkissos! Today it's espresso, the other day was drip. But I'm checking the contents more carefully now due to that slip. (Hmm. Looks like the espresso has me rhyming, too.)
The Gospels really say "where your treasure is your heart will be," making any spirituality dependent on a material condition (real wealth or poverty). This is indeed materialistic thinking, and very close to cynicism
MT 6:19 "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
I don't know if spirituality is dependent upon a tangible material condition, for how may anyone prove to another what his bank account in heaven looks like? Obviously, this has got to be more of a metaphor--I'm quite sure you agree-- rather than an encouragement to throw coins up into the sky.
I think that rather than conveying that "any spirituality (is) dependent upon a material condition", the verse states that the degree of spiritual wealth or poverty depends upon gaining "heavenly treasure" (--whatever that is--) and not "earthly treasure" (material wealth). And of course, that "heavenly treasure" is superior to earthly treasure because it is lasting.
So I don't find this quite materialistic thinking, although it uses the concepts people are familiar with (desire, value, pursuing). For example, I don't know how well the same point to the listeners could be made by using other terms that were more abstract. Even when I paraphrased the verse, I replaced the word treasure with "heart's desire", meaning whatever the heart values like gold. Metaphors, again.
I'm really not trying to beat this into the ground. To sum, I always read this verse saying something more positive rather than more cynical. And my reading of Paul's 'hiding' in Christ has never left a taste of pathology, but expressing passion. (Of course, there is admittedly a fine line between these two... I also admit to knowing some people who are definitely more pathological than passionate. )
Anyway, loved your post and glad for your comments. We've strayed a bit off-topic perhaps (my fault), but not too far I hope.
...And I enjoy reading everyone elses' comments too, btw! Thanks!!
bebu
