Posts by CWstudy

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There are some questions I have had about the JWs view "post-Armaggeddon"

by booker-t in

i have always wondered how jws believe about "post-armaggeddon" earth.

question#1 how will jws survivors bury all of the dead bodies.

with about 4 billion people on earth today how can 8 million jw(1/2 of them children and babies) bury all of those dead bodies?

CWstudy

If you really think about it, nothing about this endtimes teaching makes any sense at all.

And I do not believe that the JW's will survive any coming destruction anyway because they have not accepted Christ as their savior. I really see them as part of the Anti-Christ.

The bible tell us that when Christ returns those that are saved and still alive will be "caught up" in the clouds to go and be with the Lord forever.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

New International Version (NIV)

15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

Now the JW will have you believe that only the 144,000 will be "caught up" and the rest will be left to rebuild a paradise earth. But there is nothing in scripture to indicate that.

I believe that most of what the JW's teach about the end is a result incorrect interpertation and out right lies and that most of they teach had to do with the fall of Jeruselum.

They twist scriptures, and make up things like second fullfillments, etc. and even rewrite/reword scriptures to fit their twisted docturines.

The truth is to be saved you must do as it says in Acts 16:31, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household".

If you do that then you have no need to worry or be concerned about the end, or what will happen after.

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What was the "logical straw" that broke your camel's back?

by Pacopoolio in

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i had a bunch of tiny little nags that always bothered me about the bible/god/etc.

that eventually led to me drifting away, but this was my personal, singular issue that no one could address.

i think i mentioned it before here, but, for summation again:.

CWstudy

I really think I started to wake up when 1975 came and went without issue. But I was young and I think I just thought "well they were off a few years but its right around the corner". Then they pulled the "overlapping crap" and that caused me to look into the 1914 theory and well that was it for me.

Since then some of the other things that truly hit home:

Michael is Jesus

144,000

The blood doctrine

Reading:

The Finished Mystery

Crisis of Conscious

NWT errors

Millions now living Will Never Die

JW Facts

Researching the history of JW's

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One of the big reasons I left the JW Cult

by Still Totally ADD in

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he would love to see you.

i would tell them please come out anyway he would just love to see you.

i saw the lack of love and could not believe it.

CWstudy

I'm so sorry for your loss. What you and your wife did was very kind. I hope you can take some comfort in the fact that you were both able to be with your loved until the end and give him much needed comfort at the end of his life.

The WTS and its followers have a single focus and that's doing the biding of the FDS. When you are brainwashed, as they all are though most don't realize it, at some point you become void with little human compassion remaining.

I have witnessed this first hand as I watched my grandmother, a devoted JW for more than 50 years; waste away in a nursing home with barely a visit from even one of her JW brothers and sisters.

Once you are free of the cult you can see all of this. You realize that this organization has nothing at all to do with Christianity. To be a true Christian means to be Christ like and there is nothing even remotely Christ like about how these people behave and how they treat others.

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Confused?

by nomorepain13 in

i have been going to meetings since i was a child, long story short only recently i've started taking the truth seriously, i am not baptized but just an unbaptized publisher.

truth is i am so lonely in the congregation.

the other young people in the cong don't like me because they dont think i am going to "stay" for long, i've even worked on the ministry with an older brother and asked her am i giving the wrong impression to people?

CWstudy

Thanks for sharing your experiences nomorepain.

Although I am quite a bit older than you, our stories are very much a like.

I would suggest that you turn to the bible for the answers. There are also many sites like JWfacts and this site that will help you find some of the answers you may be seeking. You might find that not fully commiting to the WT was truly for the best.

Good luck to you.

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

CWstudy

what we are doing but I'd really like to have DOT or someone who is still active defend the following:

Jesus: Do you really belief that Jesus and Michael are one in the same? If so please dedend/back up this belief with scripture.

Is Jesus your Mediator or is the GB/FDS your Mediator? If you believe it is the GB/FDS can you defend this belief scripturally?

Jehovah: Who said "Ye shall be my witnesses?" Was that Jesus or Jehovah? Can you defend the name "Jehovah's Witneses" with scripture?

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Born-In Girls--Did You Have a Doll at KH

by Band on the Run in

when i was preschool, i had several dolls.

meetings were so hard at that age.

in fact, they were agony my entire life.

CWstudy

We were never allowed toys of any kind at our hall. I grew up in the 60's when the JW ranks were growing in leaps and bounds because everyone thought the world would end in 1975.

I was never allowed to miss a meeting and was expected not only to sit and listen attentatively but I also had to "comment" during the Watchtower study.

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

CWstudy

I was born in to the JW's and have studied off an on for years. I finally left the fold for good when I realized after much thought and research that how the JW's arrived at 1914 had nothing to do with "truth". Once you take that date away, there really is no foundation or reason for believing anything else about the faith.

I would like to ask DOT, and others that are trying to help DOT to stop thinking, searching and focusing so hard on the "generation" changes and instead let's talk about why Jesus could not have been referring to the generation of 1914 in the first place, ovelapping or otherwise.

Point 1: The 1914 date as it was taught by Russell was originally arrived at by using Numerology, {the custom of manipulating numbers to discover hidden meanings} and Pyramidlogy {the belief that the pyramids held great hidden knowledge and revelation of future events}. Russel learned and or first heard of this when he was a follower of Williams Miller {whose followers started the Second Adventist and Seventh-day Adventist Movements}.

Point 2. William Miller later decided to base his end time predictions on the book of Daniel and of course Russell followed suite. The book of Daniel was used to come up with many failed end time dates before it was realized that the math just didn't work out.

Point 3. The current thought or teaching that uses the book of Daniel and the 607 BC is also based on falsehood. With Revelation aside there is nothing found in Scripture that conveys a model for applying "seven times" to the WTS equation beginning at 607 B.C. that brings us to 1914. In WTS fashion they made a model of their own but it does not match with Daniel 4. The WTS says that God { the subject} cut his own rule in 607 B.C. { a reflective action} and started it again in 1914. In Daniel 4 God {the subject} cuts down {simple action} Nebuchadnezzar {definite object}. The major problem is a lacking of harmony between both models, with the WTS's model lacking the major component of a definite object.

If 1914 is a false teaching what can be "true" about the "truth"?

DOT I ask that you consider researching the following:

William Miller

Pastor Russell

The WTS and 1914/607 BC.

And you'll possibly find the answers you are seeking.

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Why JW assemblies NEED to change

by kneehighmiah in

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the assemblies would be get better results and get more people to come and be inspired if they were more encouraging.

instead the assemblies are a giant guilt trip.

don't go to college, don't get a good job, dont buy things even if you can afford them, don't play violent games, don't flirt.

CWstudy

The last assembly I went to I traveled with, and sat with, a couple that was pretty solid in the so called truth. I can recall how they clapped at every announcement and took page after page of notes during the talks and I can remember when I used to do the same.

When you're brainwashed by the WT you actually look forward to the assemblies and you enjoy getting those massive doses of so called "spiritual food." But once you start to come out of the coma, and you start to suspect TTATT the assemblies slowly become unbearable.

The assemblies don't need to change they need stop all together. We need to work on reaching as many of those still stuck in that cult with TTATT that we can so that the numbers decline to a point were the assemblies and all the other creepy stuff they do comes to a halt once and for all.

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What is / was the first thing(s) you looked forward to doing once you were out for good?

by SecretHeart11 in

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one of the things that keeps me going is thinking about the things my family and i will be able to do once we are all out, together, and free at last.

(and we will be out together, i'm staying positive!).

i soooo look forward to christmas.

CWstudy

1. I'd say being able to celebrate Christmas/Holidays was a big one.

2. Being able to go to Church if I want too

3. Voting

4. Knowing I would never again have to knock on strangers doors or sit through another boring talk, ministry school, watchtower study or assembly

5. Being able to experience true friendship

6. Reestablishing relationships with my DF'd family members

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Why the "New Light" in the July 15 Watchtower?

by Indian Larry in

it seems to me that in the past large flashes of "new light" have come when the governing body was backed into a corner.

for example the multiple re-defining of what a generation is until it ended up the ridiculous "overlapping" meaning.. what is the reason this time?

are they worried because the number of partakers has been going up?

CWstudy

Hello All,

I'm new to this forum and this is actually my first post.

A little background about my JW experiences: I was born and raised in the "truth" but never got baptized. But I had been recently thinking about what I left behind and wondering if I should go back to the religion of my youth and get baptized.

Because I was so young during my first ride on the "truth merry-go-round" I never really examined what was being taught. As an adult I never realized how this stuff had truly twisted my mind and thoughts and caused me much grief over the years even after being away from it for so long.

So fast forward to 2013. I'm now a "study" and seriously thinking this will be the time I go through with getting baptized, and really dedicate myself to serving Jehovah. But as I study, and examine things that it would have never occurred to me to examine as a youth, like the "Jesus is Michael," crap and so on...here's comes this July Watchtower. So I download the thing (couldn't get a copy at the hall or from the couple I study with) and I'm like WTF? I have read the "New Light" issue from cover to cover several times and I can't believe that anyone will even think of staying "in" after this garbage.

As to why the GB published this crap? I say it's because they can. They have been revising, rewriting, and making this crap up from day one so why stop now. Something doesn't fit, some prophesy doesn’t pan out, founders do or say something crazy, we'll just do a re-write. Eventually the R&C will forget and converts coming in will never know that just a few years ago the so called "truth" they are learning and preaching door to door was totally different.