Posts by Daniel1555

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Need help understanding scriptues in Mathew. just trying to show my wife the BORG is soooo wrong

by goingthruthemotions in

as you know i am still in but have no strong conviction for this cult..but i still go because my wife is still asleep to the false teachings.

for a few months now...when we have family study it is stricly from the bible.

which is great, while we study we are taking the bible as it is, i think it is opening her eyes and how important jesus is.

Daniel1555

You are right. WT teaches that all the faithful before 33 have an earthly resurrection.

Heb 11:16 says clearly that those faithful of old are reaching out for a place in heaven.

Good luck to you and your wife.

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thinking of leaving

by justme67 in

i am 46 and have been a jw for only 6 years.

i was doing ok until about a month ago.

we were having an international convention and i heard the brother that had to pick up 2 of the members of the governing body had to get a background check done on him and his wife.

Daniel1555

Hi and welcome

As you don't have family in or really close friends probably the easiest way is to disassociate yourself (write a short letter of disassociation).

Most of us who want to leave don't do that because we would loose family and friends. They try to fade which takes a long time and a lot of nerves. Some are stuck in for so many years.

You just do whatever you feel in your situation. I think disassociation is the easiest and cleanest leave.

All the best.

Daniel

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Said from the platform: "You are not surviving Armaggedon if you are spiritually weak"

by Daniel1555 in

today i was at the meeting (i go there about once a month now).

in the service meeting they had a part where they interviewed the secretary of the congregation.. so one question was: "why are the service reports so important?".

our secretary explained that the reports are important, because the elders can see, who is spiritually weak.

Daniel1555

So as said before our secretary doesn't get about 30 reports (half of the cong) by the middle of the following month. He has to remind all those and put pressure.

I believe some of those brothers just didn't go in fs and just write some fantasy hour on it. And thats fun to observe.

The CO already many times is mentioning how low the hours are and it could well be that our cong. will be just a group in the future if there is not more zeal. He is driving the elders crazy. When I was an elder 4 years ago I remember the tension in the elders meeting with the CO. All very nervous.

I am so happy to be free from all this "bs."

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Said from the platform: "You are not surviving Armaggedon if you are spiritually weak"

by Daniel1555 in

today i was at the meeting (i go there about once a month now).

in the service meeting they had a part where they interviewed the secretary of the congregation.. so one question was: "why are the service reports so important?".

our secretary explained that the reports are important, because the elders can see, who is spiritually weak.

Daniel1555

Today I was at the meeting (I go there about once a month now). In the service meeting they had a part where they interviewed the secretary of the congregation.

So one question was: "Why are the service reports so important?"

Our secretary explained that the reports are important, because the elders can see, who is spiritually weak. If a brother or sister with no health problems is low in hours or inactive, then the elders realize, that this brother or sister is spiritually weak and needs assistance.

What he spew out next just left me speechless. He literally said looking to the audience:

"You are not surviving Armaggedon if you are spiritually weak!"

So here this guy is condemning half of the congregation to death. Is he in the position to judge the brothers and sisters? Did he just usurp Jesus position?

In our congregation, like half of the publishers are low in hours and we have a few inactive ones like me. One CO just said lately in a service talk, that there are 25 who report less than 5 hours (we are about 60 or 70).

Then the secretary said he would be happy, if he gets the reports in the first week of the new month. At the moment he is getting only the reports of half the congregation by the middle of the following month. Then he always has to write e-mails to remember the brothers to give the report.

After I stopped field service last December, I also got those remembering e-mails. Then I always answered with a big ZERO. After 3 months he gave up and didn't send any more e-mails ;-)

If anyone asks me, why I am not attending meetings any longer, I can refer to those words of the secretary.

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Watchtower No Blood Card

by Lee Elder in

new article on ajwrb:.

http://ajwrb.org/medicine/watchtower-no-blood-card.

lee.

Daniel1555

Thanks so much Lee Elder.

I am very happy that I could study all the research of AJWRB and the translation in German. So I was able to ask questions to the elders and HLC members that they were not able to answer.

I can confirm, that many witnesses secretly have doubts about the blood doctrine.

I outed myself with my family, friends and the elders that I don't support this view anymore, and that I would accept blood in an urgency for myself and my child.

Since that some friends told me they can't say how they will react in an urgency. One sister who is a nurse during operations told me, that many witnesses accepted blood in her hospital (in switzerland), but they keep it secret.

Some witnesses I am in contact with just put the issue under the carpet and hope they will not come into such a situation.

I feel very liberated that I took openly a stand for my conscience and against that cruel illogic and bloodguilty policy.

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PEER PRESSURE!!! I gave in to Pioneering during August...I feel dirty...

by stuckinarut2 in

ok, i'll admit it...i am weak.... as everyone knows, the pressure to "pioneer" during "the most momentous, awesome, amazing, centenary anniversay of jesus invisble kigdom rule, & distribute tracts about a dodgy website" campaign is very strong at the moment.... also, many will have read my threads about the extreme views and expectations in our cong for "all appointed men to pioneer" etc..... every elder and ms and their families have been announced as pioneering....i mean everyone's name was read out except mine..... i was not going to do it, as i do not believe anyone should be forced...(and of course its the last thing on earth i would rather do anyway since learning ttatt).

but i am not quite ready to make the break yet, so i realised that i would stand out more if i didnt put in a form to pioneer.

yes it would make me more conspicious, and make fading harder to do...it would bring more heat on me if i didnt pioneer.. so i gave in and submitted a form.... now, of course, i'm only going to make sure i'm seen at the key field service groups etc...but then go and do something more interesting...like count blades of grass..... ahh....i feel hypocritical to myself now......

Daniel1555

Hey stuckinarut

I know how you feel. The peer pressure can be hard. It needs a lot of strength to stand out or do something different than what the most others do.

Just know. You don't have to pioneer. If you don't what would the others think? Well maybe that you are spiritually weak. Or some might think for themselves: "Wow, he didn't give in to that pressure."

I think Oneeyedjoes plan is great. Think about it.

Even if you gave in. There will be many more opportunies for you to resist this peer pressure. It needs a lot of strength and courage. I know you can do it.

I wish you all the best.

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3rd Update on Fading

by wallievase in

jw
friends

ok well i have updated you about the dilemma about my wife and family and more recently about the elders trying to schedule a shepherding call.. on our way back from th international convention she basically told me if i were to leave that we should go our seperate ways.. so i took a few days and thought about it.

it seems she was more mad about my waffling back and forth and going to the hall sometimes and just not making up my mind.. today i gave her a proposal- i will stop going all together unless it it an assembly or convention or memorial for her.. we will not discuss religious topics, as this is where most of our arguments have been centered around, at all.. we will support all of each others endeavors besides religious intrests.

i will talk to my family and let them know my intentions without getting into an details next month because my mother keeps calling me about it.

Daniel1555

Hi wallievase

You made a very honest and fair agreement. Stick to it. Try hard to be a very loving and kind husband, not criticizing your wifes views. She has to make her own mind.

You have a lot of courage to live by your conscience. That is very commendable.

In my situation my wife left me, because she thinks I am an apostate. I never tried to influence her views. However she was always a very conservative jw.

I am happy though to have listened to my conscience.

I wish you and your wife all the best on this difficult journey.

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Would you do this to your kids? Is this cold or am I crazy?

by BU2B in

my mentally in jw wife is trying to organize a "princess party" for my 4 year old daughter and her little cousins and friends.

she was looking at prices of a tent for the backyard party in case it rains.

she asked the hardware store how much and they said 90 dollars for the day.

Daniel1555

You have a kind wife, to make a princess party. I am sure your daughter will like it.

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Heaven is For real - Akiane Kramarik / Col,Todd- Visions of Heaven , real or imaginned

by smiddy in

today, i watched a movie called" heaven is for real", before we go any further i want to say i have become an atheist having been exposed to christianity from an early age with different denominations up into my teens , and then being converted to a jehovahs witness for 33 years , and then disaccociating myself from that religion some years ago.. however i am intrigued with what i have witnessed today , not only the movie , but where it has led me.

fair enough , movies take liberties in what they present even with so called true stories , i can live with that.. i think their has been a lot said about col and his pastor father being an influence on his sons visions.i can live with that too.. in the movie col todd related to the painting akiane kramarik made about jesus ?

they never knew anything about one another.

Daniel1555

I read a lot of near death experiences and a lot of books about it.

Due to these accounts I came to believe that there is some kind of afterlife. Those experiences show that the most important things in life are unconditional love and compassion.

Why do I believe that we pass somehow in another world?

All kind of people have these experiences, no matter if children, adult, from all different cultural background and religion. Most experiences have similar characteristics, coming to a light, feeling or communicating with a higher power that is full of love, a review of all actions in life and how these made others feel, higher awareness and knowledge, seeing or feeling deceased loved ones.

Several factors convince me. 1. that people see themselves out of their body and they can relate in detail things they can not know (like conversations that happened in other rooms etc.).

2. Near death experiences of children. Children would never make them up. 3. Blind or death people from birth on were able to see or hear during the NDE and give details about it. 4. All those experiences say it was a highly conscious experience not like a dream but real. Dreams normally end anytime (even apruptly). NDE s have usually a clear ending (with the sending back or decision to go back). 5. A NDE can influence a person for all his life.

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The two elders visited my sister again

by opusdei1972 in

i phoned my sister and she told me that yesterday the two elders visited her again.

she lives in a latin country (as i do).

and as i shown before, just two weeks ago, these elders visited my sister because she is not attending the meetings.

Daniel1555

Your sister is very intelligent. Too intelligent for these elders.

I tell you, to try to show the elders the organisation was wrong on so many things is actually a waste of time. Finally they will come with the loyalty question 'Do you believe the faithful and discreet slave is gods channel.' If she answers with no, they will df her for apostasy if she talks to another brother or sister about it.