Posts by Daniel1555

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New Watchtower Propaganda and hate speech destroying families (Feb 2016 WT)

by Daniel1555 in

the following is a paragraph from the new february study watchtower article "learn from jehovah's loyal servants.".

7 a conflict of loyalties may arise when a close relative is disfellowshipped.

for example, a sister named anne [1] received a telephone call from her disfellowshipped mother.

Daniel1555

Those who think the WT stance on shunning has loosened, I recommend to look at this thread.

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Shunning: is it still practiced?

by FinchAndWeston in

are df, da and apostates still shunned?

are each treated differently?

i heard a secondhand report that they seemed to have eased up on this practice ...

Daniel1555

DataDog

It is official policy to shun df/da family members.

The flock book just states that family members will not be disfellowshipped if they don't shun. They will however be counselled and might get some restrictions.

I could point you to several WT articles where they wrote, that df/da family members MUST be shunned, not having even the slightest bit of communication, not even by email says one article. They just allow communication for very important and necessary family matters or if the dfd teenager still lives at home.

Here is a thread of the latest example, which will be studied in the WT during end of April (Feb 16 WT). It is a shocking and cruel example, as they write that a daughter should shun her dfd mother who is feeling lonely.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6530599930036224/new-watchtower-propaganda-hate-speech-destroying-families-feb-2016-wt

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Shunning: is it still practiced?

by FinchAndWeston in

are df, da and apostates still shunned?

are each treated differently?

i heard a secondhand report that they seemed to have eased up on this practice ...

Daniel1555

It certainly didn't ease.

On the contrary it has become more strict.

They emphasize shunning in every once a while in the WT and conventions (see Feb 16 WT and Summer 16 conventions).

They blatantly say that daughters need to completely shun df parents and vice versa.

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I lied to the elders

by atacrossroads in

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i stopped attending meetings all together in january 2015. before that my attendance was irregular at best.

my husband followed suit a few months ago after months of research, agony, and indecision on his part.

from the very beginning i laid low and did not share with anyone what i found out about the witnesses because i did not want to be df'd.

Daniel1555

You did well as others said.

I just want to mention that maybe the relationship to your parents is not lost. I am df for apostasy and have a normal and loving relationship to them. Maybe this is an exception, as my parents never liked the shunning of family members. But let me give you an idea what I would do in your case.

Talk to your dad or / and your mum in a gentle and calm way. Maybe apologise that you might have come across as rough.

Then tell them that you fully respect their religious feelings, but that you also like them to respect yours.

The best way to still continue a relationship with them if YOU AGREE THAT YOU DISAGREE and NOT TALK ABOUT RELIGION ANYMORE or just not critizizing each others religious views.

This can only work though if your parents are tolerant and liberal as mine are.

Anyway I wish you good luck. How nice that your husband is on your side.

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Status update and hello.

by Darkknight757 in

i haven't posted here in a few months and to be honest i haven't been lurking either.

i hope everyone is doing well.😊 i wanted to take a minute to let you know how things have been the last few months.. recently the brothers decided to finally consider my letter of resignation.

they met with me alone and i let them know why i have become inactive as a publisher and why i no longer wish to serve as an elder in the congregation.

Daniel1555

Dear darknight

You did very well how you handled your resignation and inactivity.

From your words I sense that your wife also sees the flaws in this organisation.

I read your older threads and feel with you about the loss of your babies. This is a very sad and traumatic situation for you and your wife. You are going to grieve support meetings? Continue to do that.

Me and my wife lost a baby very early in the pregnancy, just a few days after we knew about the pregnancy. Because it was so early, the trauma wasn't as bad as if it happened later. Sadly this happens to many pregnancies. We later had a healthy and wonderful boy. However we are divorced now because of this cult indoctrination, but thats another story.

Concerning God I still believe there is a 'God' of love, however completely different to the biblical description of God. But I understand if you have lost your belief in a God. This is a very personal matter.

I was also an elder and had to go through this resignation process. How I did that and my experiences you can see in my older threads. Now I am df'd for apostasy and I am happy to be free to live a moral life according to my conscience.

I wish you and your wife all the best from my heart, that you can stick together and be free of this cults indoctrination and that you can go joyful through life despite every burden you are carrying.

Love Dani

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Pshycos! - 2016 "Remain Loyal to Jehovah" Regional Convention Program

by thedepressedsoul in

wow this is interesting!

i think how much emphasis this puts on "loyalty" shows their is an issue.

they're trying to plug the wholes as much and quickly as possible.

Daniel1555

Wow... now they openly use the word "shun."

In the past they tried to avoid this word. And a whole convention on loyalty. I wish the active jws a lot of joy inviting people with this crazy theme.

SHUN UNREPENTANT WRONGDOERS

Unrepentant wrongdoers sounds very bad like murderer or terrorist. But who is an unrepentant wrongdoer in jws eyes?

Could be...

... any JW celebrating christmas or birthdays!

... a teenager JW smoking.

... jw parents who in a medical urgency allow the doctor to use a life saving blood transfusion for their child.

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Please, tell me.

by andrewlya in

hi, i am a christian and i would like to know jehovas witness's belief in god and whether you believe jesus is god.

please, any statements back up with biblical verses,thank you and god bless, in jesus's name.. i am new on here, so please be patient with me :).

Daniel1555

If you want to speak to active and fully determined JWs, use the JWTALK Forum.

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Partaking of emblems

by sloppyjoe2 in

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this year will be my first for by going to the memorial.

i will get asked by my parents how i can deny jesus even if i don't believe the end is close.

my thoughts on this are as follows, bear in mind saying it's all make believe is not an option.. i think that jesus intended for everyone to eat the bread and drink the wine.

Daniel1555

OTWO

Sorry to mention mate, but all AC/DC US concerts until April are cancelled or postponed, because of the danger for the singer Brian Johnson to loose his hearing.

The european tour hasn't been cancelled yet.

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our secret dating got caught...

by trueloveneverfails94 in

we both are 21 years old.

i am almost done with my study and working on to become one of an unbaptized publisher.

Daniel1555

Welcome and all the best for your fresh love.

You 2 have to secretly and innocently hold hands and are afraid of JW consequences!!

Isn't the fact that you have to do this secretly already a sign, that something is not quite right in JW land?

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I dont know how i can leave my family!

by BlackWolf in

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my mom and i were talking today about how next summer i will be 18 and she said that just thinking about it might make her cry.

that made me think about how much more it would hurt her if i quit being a jw.

i really do love my parents, i know they are just being cruelly manipulated by a cult and that they really think they are doing what is best for me.

Daniel1555

You seem a very loving person, caring for the feelings of your parents. That's wonderful.

Focus right now on your education, to be able to live once on your own and be financially stable. Make strong friendships with loving and caring persons who are no JWs (there are many).

Don't be sad for your parents if you leave home to be on your own. That's just normal, also that your parents might be a bit sad and would wish that you always remain their little girl. But their little girl is adult now, which means freedom for you to make decisions in your life. You ARE always their girl, and there should be a loving bond between you and your parents for all your life. At least try everything in your power to do that.

You can fade, get disfellowshipped or disassociate. I think no matter which way you choose, your parents will realize that your faith changed. Of course that would make them sad, but they will cope.

I had open discussions with my parents about all the things in JW land that I couldn't deal with anylonger (blood, shunning, child abuse, cruelties committed by Jah in the bible ...). Finally I was disfellowshipped because of my differing views. It made my mum sad, but she learned to accept, that I have to live according to my conscience. I still have a normal and great relationship with my parents. They don't listen to the shunning rules, because they don't approve of them too. Of course I was lucky. Other parents react differently.

I suggest you to live YOUR life, be happy and joyful, try hard to do good (maybe use your freetime that you get from not doing field service to do volunteer work for helping others, furthering human rights, animal rights, whatever you like) so your parents see that you do good even though you are not doing jw stuff. Form new friendships and allow love in your life.

Every parent needs to learn to let their children make their own life decisions. Also I need to do that one day (my son is 3 years old now).

I am sure your parents will learn that too and will be proud of you as you are a very loving and caring person.