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  I told the elders that I would take blood and donate blood

  by Daniel1555 in

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  i found it important to be honest with my wife.

  so i told her about my conscience decision that in a medical urgency i want blodless medicine but if a transfusion of blood or the 4 prohibited components is necessary to save my life or health i would accept it.

  this would apply especially also for our child (that is not such a problem as in our country the wts recommends to comply with doctors as they have the right to decide concerning minors).. i showed her the reasons why i came to that conscience decision (biblical and logical reasons) and that jehovah and jesus do not like anyone to die because of this wrong bible application.. .

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  Vidiot: Well I can tell you they don't like to talk about that subject, because the whole thing is unlogical from the core. I mean how can you truly say life is holy and then in the same sentence that you refuse blood products in a last resort situation. Moreover the whole fraction thing made it even more stupid.
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  CO explaining at Circuit Assembly how to measure neighbourly love

  by Daniel1555 in

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  2. friends

  i attended the circuit assembly this weekend.

  it was boring as always (except for one positive thing that was said was that we should be gentle especially the elders).. there was one thing that left me absolutely speechless.

  the co was explaining how to measure neighbourly love: by the amount of time spent in fieldservice.. the next point he mentioned was that we should strictly adhere to the disfellowshipping arrangments and not find excuses to speak to df family members.. .

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  I attended the circuit assembly this weekend. It was boring as always (except for one positive thing that was said was that we should be gentle especially the elders).

  There was one thing that left me absolutely speechless. The CO was explaining how to measure neighbourly love: BY THE AMOUNT OF TIME SPENT IN FIELDSERVICE.

  The next point he mentioned was that we should strictly adhere to the disfellowshipping arrangments and not find excuses to speak to df family members.

  In other words. People who go to 3rd world countries for example as nurses or doctors in their free time without pay, or some who cook by their own means for people without food and shelter. No they don't show neighbourly love.

  The pioneer and elder who spends 70 hours a month in field service thereby neglecting his wife, not speaking to his aged disfellowshipped mother; well he is the real HERO IN NEIGHBOURLY LOVE.
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  I told the elders that I would take blood and donate blood

  by Daniel1555 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i found it important to be honest with my wife.

  so i told her about my conscience decision that in a medical urgency i want blodless medicine but if a transfusion of blood or the 4 prohibited components is necessary to save my life or health i would accept it.

  this would apply especially also for our child (that is not such a problem as in our country the wts recommends to comply with doctors as they have the right to decide concerning minors).. i showed her the reasons why i came to that conscience decision (biblical and logical reasons) and that jehovah and jesus do not like anyone to die because of this wrong bible application.. .

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  Frankiespeaking: In my letter to the branch I politely asked for them to answer some specific and hard questions (as I know their wishy washy answers). I doubt that they even send a reply because I sent the letter 2 months ago. Or maybe they will tell the CO or the elders to deal with it (who will not be able to give real answers as even the smartest of the HLC elders of our country couldn't).
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  Be honest. Am I an abusive Father??

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was angry with my kid for questioning me.

  i work, i pay the bills, i provide food, clothing and shelter for them.

  instead of respect, i get attitude.

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  Hi DD

  Of course sometimes we can be angry.

  Patience is sometimes difficult. But just think that young ones oftwn think differently that we adults or fathers.

  If you apologize to your child he or she will learn a great lesson. That it is important to apologize when we say something hurtful.

  Have a good day. I know the convention is hard to bear.

  Daniel
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  Could we quantify how many posters their are from different nations ? Would you like to know ?

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  maybe its just me , i`m just curious as to how many people on this site are from australia as i am .

  how many from germany , italy , zambia , etc.

  etc.. do two or three "countries " seem to dominate the threads ?

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  I am from Switzerland
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  Interview with an Apostate: OnTheWayOut

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  2. experiences

  tell us a little about yourself and your family.. my mother joined the frenzy when the end of the world was coming in 1975. her sister-in-law was first recruited and got her in.

  when the end didnt come, mom was disfellowshipped shortly afterward, but she went back a few years later.

  i did not care to go with her.

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  dear OTWO

  Thanks so much.

  I always enjoy reading your truly reasonable posts. They already helped much for me.

  Daniel
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  I told the elders that I would take blood and donate blood

  by Daniel1555 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i found it important to be honest with my wife.

  so i told her about my conscience decision that in a medical urgency i want blodless medicine but if a transfusion of blood or the 4 prohibited components is necessary to save my life or health i would accept it.

  this would apply especially also for our child (that is not such a problem as in our country the wts recommends to comply with doctors as they have the right to decide concerning minors).. i showed her the reasons why i came to that conscience decision (biblical and logical reasons) and that jehovah and jesus do not like anyone to die because of this wrong bible application.. .

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  Rebel8: By reading JWN it's without doubt table of demons. Well, he means any kind of information apart from WT.
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  I told the elders that I would take blood and donate blood

  by Daniel1555 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i found it important to be honest with my wife.

  so i told her about my conscience decision that in a medical urgency i want blodless medicine but if a transfusion of blood or the 4 prohibited components is necessary to save my life or health i would accept it.

  this would apply especially also for our child (that is not such a problem as in our country the wts recommends to comply with doctors as they have the right to decide concerning minors).. i showed her the reasons why i came to that conscience decision (biblical and logical reasons) and that jehovah and jesus do not like anyone to die because of this wrong bible application.. .

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  Konceptual

  Thanks very much for your points. I am curious if they leave me like this. Maybe another elder will urge them to talk to me again this time by 2 elders, I don't know. I am also wondering if to have the conviction of unrepentantly taking blood would be action enough to disassociate by action. I think I will soon find out.
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  I told the elders that I would take blood and donate blood

  by Daniel1555 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i found it important to be honest with my wife.

  so i told her about my conscience decision that in a medical urgency i want blodless medicine but if a transfusion of blood or the 4 prohibited components is necessary to save my life or health i would accept it.

  this would apply especially also for our child (that is not such a problem as in our country the wts recommends to comply with doctors as they have the right to decide concerning minors).. i showed her the reasons why i came to that conscience decision (biblical and logical reasons) and that jehovah and jesus do not like anyone to die because of this wrong bible application.. .

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  So I had the meeting with only 1 elder (it was originally planned with 2 elders. He couldn't find a second one who had time (maybe those that had time were not in a mood for a blood discussion).

  I must say the elder who talked with me (COBE) is a very loving and caring person. His intention is not to have me df or da.

  We discussed some reasons why I believe a blood transfusion in a life threatening situation is not contradicting the scriptures (1. Cor. 10:25-28, Lev. 17:15-16, Matth 12) and things I find illogical concerning fractions.

  He kind of objected that I am just picking the things from the scriptures because I want to have a guarantee for life.

  I stated a few times that I think to refuse it is against the sanctity of life.

  I read Matth 12 and asked how would Jesus react today in a life threatening medical situation?

  We also talked about why ultraorthodox jews accept a blood transfusion because in there eyes it is not nourishment.

  He said that there are several interpretations of the scriptures. So I stressed that I feel the interpretation of the organisation is wrong.

  During the discussion he said once "but you can't be a witness and think like this."

  I asked him how he would react if the fds would in future allow the components? He said he can't answer that question.

  I explained that I don't want to refuse a treatment which might be accepted in the future by the fds. Moreover I have to follow my conscience and not an interpretation of men.

  He couldn't answer why white blood cells are prohibited whereas they are in mothers milk.

  He answered why large fractions like hemoglobin is permitted and smaller components are prohibited just by saying "because it is a fraction."

  He was worried because I don't find a blood donation is against the bible.

  He kind of understood that I feel this is hypocritical to just take it but not give it. This he couldn't deny.

  I made it clear that I have to follow my conscience and it would mean for me to be bloodguilty if I refused life saving treatment.

  Finally he mentioned 2 points.

  We can not be eating from table of demons (as I was eating from that table).

  We should not be driven by doubts (I said I have no doubts about that topic).

  He mentioned that I want a guarantee for life but instead we should lay our lives into Jehovah's hands.

  He will talk to the other elders about our talk.
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  I told the elders that I would take blood and donate blood

  by Daniel1555 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i found it important to be honest with my wife.

  so i told her about my conscience decision that in a medical urgency i want blodless medicine but if a transfusion of blood or the 4 prohibited components is necessary to save my life or health i would accept it.

  this would apply especially also for our child (that is not such a problem as in our country the wts recommends to comply with doctors as they have the right to decide concerning minors).. i showed her the reasons why i came to that conscience decision (biblical and logical reasons) and that jehovah and jesus do not like anyone to die because of this wrong bible application.. .

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  Paralipomenon: Thanks for your goog idea. I already sent a letter 2 months ago not exactly with what you suggested but with some very hard questions. I didnt get a reply. 3 years ago I sent another letter about an easier subject. They replied quite fast. Either they don't answer or they answer the CO or body of elders to tell me. Any way thid morning i will meet with the elders. I will tell you how it goes (maybe in the evening or tomorrow).