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  I am sorry to report......

  by Scooby in

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  sorry friends to report, my husband and i are divorcing.

  he could not handle me saying i will never go back to the truth.

  he is not ready to face all the crap from growing up a jw.

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  TemeculaMole

  uhhhh... So Scooby, What are you doing Saturday night?
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  Jehovah's Witness Elder ordered to repay $4.7 million to fleeced flock

  by Rado Vleugel in

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  a jehovah's witnesss elder was ordered by a federal judge to pay more than $4.7 million in restitution to almost 50 victims of a ponzi-like con game many of them elderly members of his own congregation.

  read the whole story on http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/.

  rado vleugel

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  TemeculaMole

  And dont forget. These elders are approved after prayer and blessing from the holy spirit. Holy Spirit must have been sleeping that day. In various reectn articles and boks it appear to me that the elders are being promoted as being more than the "rest of us" with some special sort of blessing upon them.
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  Which is worse?

  by TemeculaMole in

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  if you were to ask a loyal jw :.

  which is worse to be disfellowshipped for repeated fornication (and no remorse) or to be disfellowshipped for having an opposing view from the gb such as not beleiving in the blood issue?.

  this is pure speculation but i would think that the jw would say the later because your basically an apostate for not beleiving all that the borg says.

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  TemeculaMole

  If you were to ask a loyal JW :

  Which is worse to be disfellowshipped for repeated fornication (and no remorse) or to be disfellowshipped for having an opposing view from the GB such as not beleiving in the blood issue?

  This is pure speculation but I would think that the JW would say the later because your basically an apostate for not beleiving all that the borg says. This strikes me funny because at least the person that differs from the GB view is not out blatantly commiting sin (such as the fornicator) but simply has a differing biblical interpretation. This persons interpetation may be wrong (according to the GB) but at least the person is applying what they beleive to be scripturally true. Where as the other person is simply out violating gods principles.
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  What a journey this has been?

  by amen in

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  what a journey this has been?

  i am reflecting over the years that i spent as a jehovah's witness today mark a decade and a half.

  i find it incredible that i would come to this situation.

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  TemeculaMole

  The internet is a powerful tool. I imagine that the GB see's the actviities that go on here and know that the word is spreading about the lies, scandals and general BS spewed by them.

  At the latest CO visit the CO brought up twice how the society has made mistakes and we need to look past that. I thought this was a strange comment. The way he spoke made me feel like the GB told the CO's to go out and calm the storm, dont let them look behind the curtain and see that the great Wizard of Oz is a hoax.

  Geez, I wish I could get out....but to much family in the borg
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  So which of the JW Teachings did you never buy into?

  by berylblue in

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  i have so many, i don't know where to start.

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  TemeculaMole

  At the tender age of 15 I was telling myself that the whole 1914 and the generation passibg away thing was BS. Sure enough it was.
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  Thing you cant or should not do

  by TemeculaMole in

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  i'm trying to compile a list of all the things you cannot or should not do as a jw.

  please add to this list as i am sure there must be more.

  take a blood transfusion.

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  TemeculaMole

  Hi all,

  I'm trying to compile a list of all the things you cannot or should not do as a JW. Please add to this list as I am sure there must be more.

  Take a blood transfusion

  Take the "4 major components" of blood (as defined by the Medical brain power of the GB)

  Toast

  See rated R movies

  Celebrate Birthday

  Celebrate Mothers day

  Celebrate Fathers day

  Celebrate Thanksgiving

  Celebrate Christmas

  Celebrate Valentines

  Celebrate Presidents day

  Celebrate Independence Day

  Marry a non-JW

  Have a non-JW friend

  Get an education

  Have a Limousine at the KH (for a wedding)

  Wear a wedding veil (not sure on this one)

  Disagree with the GB

  Talk to a family member that has left the JWs

  Use the internet for preaching

  Think for yourself
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  when getting the reply 'where would we go?where does Gods people gather'?

  by Veronipony in

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  when getting that triumphinglike reply, as to they're being gods org,.

  veronica

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  TemeculaMole

  Here is a response that was posted on c-channel.

  Hello,

  I frequently get emails from Jehovah's Witnesses who are concerned about certain teachings or policies in the organization, but who are left asking, "Even if I think there are significant problems in the organization, where else would I go if I left or if I am disfellowshiped for speaking out against false teachings and abusive policies?"

  Since this point comes up more than any other in the emails I receive, I thought it might be helpful to post some thoughts on this question by copying an email I recently sent to a concerned brother. I will keep his name confidential, of course.

  Dear *******:

  Sorry for the delay in responding to your last email.

  I am glad to hear that you have some positive leads on how to proceed with your situation.

  Regarding the first century Christians, what we have is a situation where Christ's followers constantly battled for the truth and for sake of the good news. This battle often involved confronting persons inside the Christian Congregation who were speaking falsely. Indeed, Paul went so far as to write that if he, an inspired apostle, or an angel of light, spoke differently from what they had already been taught, then they should be rejected Galatians 1:8-9). So there was a freedom among first century Christians to reject those who taught error, and to hold true to one's conscience without fear of being shunned. That freedom does not exist in the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses today.

  As for the PAROUSIA, we do not know when this event will begin, or if it has begun already. Therefore, we cannot use it as a sure basis upon which to act. We must act according to what the Bible teaches and let it be our guide. Assuming that God has established an organization today because we may be in the period of the PAROUSIA ignores the fact that God's chosen organizations of the past have all fallen into periods of apostasy. Therefore, the question is not whether or not God has an organization today, but whether the organization we think is his has fallen into doctrinal error. If we truly believe the Watchtower Society represents Jehovah's will on earth, then we should be the most concerned of all people if we find that errors are being taught. Yet, the thinking of some Witnesses is that if it is God's organization we should ignore the errors because it is God's organization! That, to me, is incredible, and does not conform to the biblical pattern where we find God and Christ Jesus approving of individual members of their organizations (Jewish and Christian) who reacted to false teachings and unholy policies that harmed God's people and that did not represent his will. (Compare Jesus' words to the members of the congregation in Ephesus, in Revelation 2:1-2.)

  Whether the "dragnet" is still pulling as it was during the Middle Ages, who can say? As Christians, we are called to imitate Christ and Christ held truth to be paramount: "For this reason I have been born and for this I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone that is on the side of the truth listens to my voice" (John 18:37). Paul taught Christians to 'obey truth' (Galatians 5:7), and to be "pillars in support of the truth" (1 Timothy 3:15). In Titus 1:14 "commandments of men" are directly contrasted with "truth." Those who turn from the latter to the former are called "deceivers of the mind" in verse 10, and we are told to be "reproving them" in verse 13. How can this be done in the Watchtower Society today? It cannot be done, except from the top down.

  You either accept what the Society says or you are marked and eventually disfellowshiped. You are not able to bring a cause for complaint against the members of the Governing Body or those responsible for the material in the publications. They will either correct themselves or they will not. You have no recourse but to go along with what is written if you wish to remain a member in good standing with the organization. This was not the way of the first century Christians. Paul confronted Peter with a serious complaint and Peter accepted the counsel. He did not complain that Paul was out of place because he did not listen to the one (Peter) whom Christ appointed to 'feed his little sheep' (John 21:15-17). He did not complain about Paul causing division. How can division be wrong when the division is over truth and error? These two must be divided. Christians today do not view Paul's action as inappropriate, and yet he is an example for all Christians (2 Thessalonians 3:9). Paul was right and Peter was wrong, even though Peter was directly charged with 'feeding' Christ's followers.

  The Bible speaks of weeds and wheat being intermingled until the harvest, which harvest appears to be the time of Armageddon, not the period since 1914, though I cannot say for sure. No one can. But if that is the case, then it should not surprise us to find Christians in all walks of life hidden from one another in many instances by "weeds," to be united when Christ comes in judgment. Then his people will be gathered from the four corners of the earth and comprise the "new heavens and the new earth." (Well, at least this is one way to view it.) This does not mean we cannot evangelize or tell others what the Bible teaches on matters such as Christ's Messiahship, the divine name, God's name and identity, and even do so with passion and conviction. But understanding the complexities of Christian devotion today and how fragmented God's people might be as a result of a wide range of religions and authorities can help you have a more balanced perspective which will allow those who choose to leave the Watchtower organization to carry on their work in smaller numbers.

  You mention that if you left the organization that your zeal would likely decline. If your zeal would decline as a result of leaving the organization, could it be that your zeal is to some extent misguided? I ask this only because it is often a problem for Witnesses to remain active apart from the organization because the organization has conditioned us to think along these lines:

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  *** w73 7/1 p. 404 Praise Jehovah with His People ***
  16 If we truly appreciate Jehovah's earthly organization, we will remain loyal to it, knowing that the organization is his. If we were to leave it, where else could we go? There is no other organization that is doing the divine will or that is educating people for life everlasting. When many abandoned Jesus Christ, he asked his apostles: "You do not want to go also, do you?" Peter replied: "Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life; and we have believed and come to know that you are the Holy One of God." (John 6:66-69)

  *** w74 7/15 p. 438 Have You Really Come to Know God? ***
  21 Perhaps something is said in one of the Watch Tower publications that you do not grasp or that adjusts our previous understanding of matters. How do you view this? Will you allow doubts to creep in? Will confidence be replaced with skepticism? Ask yourself: 'Where did I gain the knowledge of the Scriptures that I already have? Has not the spiritual food provided through the Watch Tower publications helped me to change my life and find contentment and satisfaction? Where else would I go?' This is the feeling toward Jehovah's arrangements that the disciples had toward Jesus: "Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life."-John 6:68.

  *** w96 2/1 p. 24 Trust in Jehovah and His Word ***
  9 Stick closely to Jehovah and his organization. Loyally imitate Peter, who resolutely stated: "Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life." (John 6:52, 60, 66-68)

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  Do you see the problem with this type of thinking? While Peter in John 6:68 said, "Whom shall we go away to," the organization has displaced Jesus with itself, asking, "Where else will you go?" So, really, if your zeal is the product of your faith and trust in Jesus Christ and Jehovah God, then it will not decline. But if it is at all the product of the organization, as the organization itself maintains it is, then your zeal likely will decline until you are able to derive it solely from the true source of Christian inspiration, Christ himself.

  Don't get me wrong, this is still a very tough issue for all of us. Especially for those of us with families, and that is why no decision should be made in haste. But if we are guided by truth and by a desire to hold fast to what can be proven from the Bible, not by enforcing beliefs that are questionable as if they are unquestionable, we will surely not displease Jesus or Jehovah. My recommendation is simply to follow this course, and if you find that in so doing you can remain an active member of the Watchtower Society then that is what you should do. If not, then you should know that you do not need to go anywhere else. It is not a question of where you are, but to whom you are loyal, and 'where two or three are gathered in his name, there he will be, too' (Matthew 18:20).

  Your brother,
  Greg
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  Counting time

  by happy man in

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  well i must say internet is a blessing fore us users, never have so much ours to report as now, i think i hade to give a tippto the gb and tell them to putt in a n artikel in km how we can increase our service if we use all new thing as teknik have blessed us widh, and russel was sure a man how understnad the importens of using new media, so internet is soon going to be the new area to preace on, i think some here must be worried , think if 100.000 of jw came inn here and start to argu widh you.

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  You dont have to worry about the witnesses preaching on the internet. A KM from last year basically told the congo that everything that needs to be said is on the offical JW web site.

  I find this ironic since the constant message is preach,preach,preach no matter where you are. Preach in the hospital, preach at work , preach to the guy sitting in the toilet stall next to you, etc etc. And yet here is a legitimate medium to reach new folks and the socfety is saying dont use it. Somehow I suspect there is fear of something...perhaps a fear of peoples eyes being opened up???
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  Secrets of a KH Fartologist

  by blackguard in

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  unbeknown to the general membership, the watcher corporations throughout the english speaking world employs professional flatulents(noun).

  the reason for this should become obvious to those not familiar with the mind-controlled environment in the corporate gulags sometimes called congregations.

  i was one of several fartologists who was sent to various gulag hotspots to quell dissent.. we have three major specialities: the ionizer, the paint peeler and the sunday special.

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  TemeculaMole

  I too am a fartologist. Recently I have been working on various metrics to measure fart performance. Here is what I have so far:

  Sound - The louder and longer the better

  Pungency - Theres stink and then there is down right sickening

  Lasting Power - The longer it lingers the better

  Messy factor - Did it juice up your shorts
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  CO Visit

  by TemeculaMole in

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  currently the co is visiting the congo (congregation).

  sadly i was not paying much attention to his talk and by the time he got to something interesting i wished i was listening.. he was babbling on about identifying a "pattern" and how the jw's have a pattern of identifying the truths (trininty, hell, etc).

  it got interesting when he bgean to say dont worry about the mistakes made, we have a pattern of truth and these mistakes should be ignored (my paraphrase).

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  Currently the CO is visiting the congo (congregation). Sadly I was not paying much attention to his talk and by the time he got to something interesting I wished I was listening.

  He was babbling on about identifying a "pattern" and how the JW's have a pattern of identifying the truths (trininty, hell, etc). It got interesting when he bgean to say dont worry about the mistakes made, we have a pattern of truth and these mistakes should be ignored (my paraphrase). It seems to me the pattern is not a pattern of truths but a pattern of mistakes. And dont forget the pattern of discovering "New light" once it becomes blatantly obvious that the old "story" was wrong.

  Then the brother goes on to dismiss the TV news story regarding child abuse. Implying that there is no problem, the story was slanted, we got it all under control and so on. What really rubbed me was he brought out how we have the "two witness are required" policy and this will prevent these problems from occuring. The "two witness" being required IS the problem. The chance of a second witness is pretty slim thus allowing the criminal to continue in his depravity.

  Cant wait for Sundays new and enlightening information