Posts by 70wksfyrs

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My Favorite Scriptures When I'm Fearful

by Perry in

isaiah 41:13 esvfor i, the lord your god, hold your right hand; it is i who say to you, fear not, i am the one who helps you.. .

proverbs 3:5-6 esv trust in the lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.

in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths.. .

70wksfyrs

Hi Perry,

Thanks for the scriptures, and this thread. Many brothers and sisters have made comments to me over the years such as.

"Yeah I know the Bible says God cares"

"Why doesn't Jehovah answer my prayers?"

"I am doing everything the bible says, and doing my best to apply the good moral standards of the bible, but I don't seem to be getting anywhere"

As a JW I used to try and encourage them and confirm that Jehovah really does care about them, and he can see all their trials. I told them that Jehovah understands them better than I do. If I can see their frustration and dispair, then how much more so can Jehovah.

Perry I have a question for you.

You have been posting here for 8 years, but you only post in a limited way and don't get involved with athiests talking about science. As I haven't been able to see, you have probably answered this question in other posts years ago, but please repeat yourself on my account.

Why do you believe what you do after so many years?

Thanks for your thread Perry

70wks...

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Abiogenesis - moving on from the Urey Miller Experiment

by cantleave in

abiogenesis is the field of study whereby the answers to how the chemistry of life was initiated are explored.

unlike evolution, which is described and understood via a number of falsifiable models which explain the observations made in the natural world, most models of abiogenesis will remain unfalsifiable and hence open to debate.

the issue being of course that the conditions under which those first chemical reactions occurred no longer exist and trying to recreate an approximation of these in the lab requires a great deal patience, ingenuity and of course some intelligent guess work!

70wksfyrs

Hey boys on this thread,

I am assuming you are all men due to my experience, so please refresh me if I am wrong. Now I can ignore the second part of this thread, but because cofty was so wonderfully humble, and this is a JW site, and you saw my whining thread, lets talk about CREATION. We are after all on a JW website!

I am probably the only girl here, and my ex is a pig so I don’t like men much and I can generalise from time to time. You boys have been great though. I am not ready yet to disclose what I believe. Cantleave already knows, so please keep this confidential if you remember. Maybe that’s given the game away but I am admitting to nothing just yet. Plausible deniability!!!!!!

In my view and the circles of people I have had personal experience with, scientists, chemistry mainly do not identify themselves as creationists and evolutionists. As a JW we have to preach 24/7 and I was a sucked in company girl, loved the GB very much. So I talked about God a lot, I found the majority of atheist scientists shut me down, because there were just not interested in talking about God or creation. I found that believers were so, because of background mainly not really because chemistry proved them right. One guy actually gave me a bible.

The only people that tried to prove me wrong with science, were atheists on the mino, students especially. They fell flat on their face when they started getting dogmatic, I got my knowledge out. I must also say I didn't use my knowledge with all atheists on the doors, as I was a good JW and wanted to win them over and not humiliate them.

As to what I believe now that I am Df'd, and leading a double life (cos I am still in) that is for a new thread.

So boys be kind, I have responded a little to the creationist part of the thread. I am after all a weaker vessel, and I was upset this morning. So please be kind.

70wks......

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Abiogenesis - moving on from the Urey Miller Experiment

by cantleave in

abiogenesis is the field of study whereby the answers to how the chemistry of life was initiated are explored.

unlike evolution, which is described and understood via a number of falsifiable models which explain the observations made in the natural world, most models of abiogenesis will remain unfalsifiable and hence open to debate.

the issue being of course that the conditions under which those first chemical reactions occurred no longer exist and trying to recreate an approximation of these in the lab requires a great deal patience, ingenuity and of course some intelligent guess work!

70wksfyrs

cofty- wow your humility is refreshing. I really respect that you asked that question in the public domain. Kudos to you. It depends at which stage of education you are as to the terms used. Chemistry is a linier subject. I tend to use terms from all levels when I discuss chemistry. The term that pop's into my head.

Sorry I am poor a writing in a coherent and understandable manner, thankfully cantleave is a better writer than me.

You also asked

"20 left-handed ones are found in organic proteins?"

Yeah that is kind of right. Personally I would term it something like this

In nature about 20% of D-enantiomers are found in amino acids.

First of all, there are no hard and fast exact numbers it’s different in every case and secondly, the D-enantiomer is actually the right handed amino acid, and yes they are found in proteins. As cantleave said in synthesised sugars (glycerides) it’s 50/50 they are also organic.

Thanks again for putting the whole question on the board, I am sure cantleave will back me up on this one, you could have sent him a PM, but you let us all see what your question was.

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Abiogenesis - moving on from the Urey Miller Experiment

by cantleave in

abiogenesis is the field of study whereby the answers to how the chemistry of life was initiated are explored.

unlike evolution, which is described and understood via a number of falsifiable models which explain the observations made in the natural world, most models of abiogenesis will remain unfalsifiable and hence open to debate.

the issue being of course that the conditions under which those first chemical reactions occurred no longer exist and trying to recreate an approximation of these in the lab requires a great deal patience, ingenuity and of course some intelligent guess work!

70wksfyrs

Hey so my theory was close to Martin and Russell. Martin and Russell’s hypothesis state that the formation of the correct enantiomers starts at the RNA stage. This is cutting edge chemistry. I love it.

I wonder if their theory doesn’t pan out, they may in the future try the synthesis at the amino acid stereoisomer stage.

Cantleave - it was my understanding that it actually is possible to synthesise chemicals in the lab at a smaller molecular level in organic stereoisomers. I am sure I learned that the thalidomide drug was banned because in the 70's they did not separate them. They discovered the drug caused the deformities and then designed a new drug with the correct amount of L and D enantiomers.

It is my understanding that a racemic mixture occurs only with glycerides, but even with the racemic mixture they can be separated with polarisation techniques. But I have only measured polarity, never actually separated enantiomers. Hence I do not have any experience to draw on.

Please correct me if I am wrong, you are clearly more knowledgeable than I, so you may well teach me a thing or two. This is better than whining on my other thread.

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My introduction

by zakharijah in

ok i think its time i introduce myself... and sorry, its going to be verrry long.. .

i am 32, married, 2 children.

i am french but i live in scotland.. .

70wksfyrs

Well done for your achievments so far. You have more to come!!!

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Update on my fade

by wizzstick in

it's been over 3 months since i first posted after years of lurking:.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/253883/1/my-story-a-kinda-newbie-from-the-uk#.ukhopt-yza8.

and what a 3 months it's been.

70wksfyrs

Fabulous news. The fact that the two of you are planning a fade together you can nave some fun with it too!!! Maybe try a bit of intellectual intimidation with Brother Throwthekidsout, that will cheer your wife up!

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Which KHall Did You Go To Or Visit, That Had The Nicest People, (Like JW's Are Supposed To Be?)

by LoisLane looking for Superman in

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this was inspired by the poster "integ"'s thread: warmth of the khall.. the nicest group of people i have ever met at a khall was the one in key west, florida.. loislane .

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70wksfyrs

The nicest and warmest congregation I have visited was the one I went to in jeans and t-shirt

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Please help me with my mother...

by ILoveTTATT in

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friends

ok so... now knowing how important it is not to "spill all the beans"... i am working secretly and cautiously on getting my mother out!.

i have started with some recon work:.

me: so mom, how did you come into the truth?.

70wksfyrs

I agree with most post here slow is better. This months WT with all the new thoughts is good.

Are the GB the FDS?

When were they appointed?

Are they yet to be appointed?

Why have we got do many adjusted thoughts in this mag?

I used these questiond with my son, to get him to critically think about the watchtower articles.

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Abiogenesis - moving on from the Urey Miller Experiment

by cantleave in

abiogenesis is the field of study whereby the answers to how the chemistry of life was initiated are explored.

unlike evolution, which is described and understood via a number of falsifiable models which explain the observations made in the natural world, most models of abiogenesis will remain unfalsifiable and hence open to debate.

the issue being of course that the conditions under which those first chemical reactions occurred no longer exist and trying to recreate an approximation of these in the lab requires a great deal patience, ingenuity and of course some intelligent guess work!

70wksfyrs

Wow fantastic opening post. Your research on Russell’s hypothesis is extensive. I have not read his works, but maybe you could tell me when the formation of monomers was discovered was he able to identify the enantiomers that were formed or did the research not mention enantiomers.

In my view I feel that the formation of the correct enantiomers within the DNA is an important clue how abiogenesis occurs at an amino acid stereoisomer stage. I believe this because mainly the L-enantiomers are found in living things. I think that’s where the forming of living things from non living amino acid stereoisomers could be explained. But maybe it can't be.

These are my novice beliefs which are completely unsubstantiated and was just wondering what your opinion of my theory is.

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Musings about different types of atheist!

by Seraphim23 in

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friends

a thought that occurs to me is that if one has the belief that all that is real is only explicable in terms of particles and forces, and that nothing exists that is not one of these, then good and bad doesnt exist either, the same would be true for any concept for that matter.

or perhaps it is only true when reduced to the level of matter and forces, but without the moral force, meaning and purpose that such a materialist only description would entail.

after all, if death is forever, which is materialist view, then what does it matter if a seventy or seven year old enters the grave?

70wksfyrs

Hmmm ....could that not be said of any group? I have noticed with teachers, policeman, social workers, conservationists, politicians that many are caring and respectful and others are blunt and harsh, and also a little impatient.

You make a fair comment cantleave, sadly in my experience I cannot say the same of those professionals they have been blunt, rude, liars, inconsiderate, damaging, abusive and extremely impatient with the exception of conservationists, which I have had no personal experiences with.

But on your train of thought the same could be said of any forum, lets add solicitors to your list, that forum was awful in my experience. I will never go back there again

I have read a lot of what you have written including your story, so I would like you to know that in my opinion I like a lot of what you post, its funny, easy to understand and you have shown yourself to be helpful and caring. One thing that really struck me was that when you were an elder you made a decision about a young boy and he was df'd and that you felt guilty for making that choice to affect his whole family's life. Please correct me if I have got it a bit wrong.

To get back to topic now,

I think that musings over different types of atheist is a good topic. My view is people are different, atheists are different too, many have always been atheists and many converted. During the process of conversion, many would have changing beliefs before they have arrived at a firm belief. Some may well believe in a higher power of sorts, but not God.

Are there many commenting in this thread that have had changing beliefs until they arrived at a firm belief?