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  WoMD ... so where are they?

  by Simon in

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  now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

  perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

  now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

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  Jayson

  Simon where are you going with your vendetta?

  • We were told that they had WoMD as a certaintly because they knew exactly where they were. Remember all the satellite photo's of the bakery oops "weapons factory"?
  • We were told there were hundreds or thousands of tons of chemical weapons, not some little petri-dish somewhere
  • It was all fabricated lies as came out from the faked nuclear documents and re-hashed docs they had downloaded and edited off the internet
  • I believe they knew for a fact that there were not WoMD there ... they just wanted an 'excuse' for their war. They did everything they could to scupper inspections and hurry things along when Iraq was cooperating (destroying missiles for instance)

  1)Where are those weapons factories? You should be able to post exact GPS postions for me. Where are they right now? Tell me or you are lying. Tell me NOW, RIGHT now I want to know. WHere are those rolling doughnut makers? Where are they. Whatever they are they exist and you have to tell me where they are right now!

  2) Saddam's propaganda machine said that they distroyed all the missing WoMD agents. But they refused to say how or where they distroyed them. So now you have to give me proof that they were distroyed so do that while giving you information about the locations of the labs/bakery.

  3)Did you truly believe that Iraq never had a weapons program? Do you really believe that those forces and rouge nations in the middle east and elsewhere don't have them now? You ignore the missle. I guess delivery systems are irrelevent?

  4) That seems oftley Mulderish to me Simon but I'm glad you are on top of it. I feel much safer now. Any non internet anti US/Bush (Moorish) proof of that?

  5) It seems that you really believe that the Middle East & Iraq was toothless. That is scary that you could be so willfully stupid.

  Simon stop and think. Even if they find the stored WMD or of proof that it existed would that change your polarized postion that a preemptive war was unjustified? We know that Korea is in direct violation of WMD development. They admit it. So, do you believe that a preemptive war with them would be just?

  My stance on all this is so simple. Saddam and his henchmen must go. (And they did) WMD as the reason? Fine. Oil security? Fine. UN resolution violations? Fine. That we hate his hairstyle? Fine. I also think that the US owes Iraq a rebuilt nation, WMD found or not. I am angry that a small group of Mooreinites refuse to call the UN santions UN santions when that is what they were. They refuse to see that as long as countires continue to do business with Iraq outside of the UN then santions were useless. They refuse to believe anything that goes against what the TV says is reality. They refuse to read real books on the issues or learn the history of the region and the politics involved. (Which gives so much ammo to all sides) People were dying in Iraq before this war people. But, right now is the best chance to make some real changes for people over there. And the Iranian concept of an Islamic nation in Iraq would go against the direction that Iran is taking for itself. So anti-Amercian chanting in the south? So what...They have many reasons to be very angry. The US now says that UN santions should be lifted. If they are not then the US needs to continue on its own path.

  This thread is such a timedrop.
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  One of our daughters in law said this:

  by Mulan in

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  our daughter in law, tracey, who was never a jw, is a hair stylist.

  i went to the place she works for a haircut the other day, and was telling her about the big party at joy and steve's last month.

  we talked about a lot of things about the party, and then she said this:.

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  Having not had the experience makes it easy to say "get over it." It is sad that people don't/can't/won't take the time to learn about just how deep the JW experience takes a person. I can understand looking at Ex-JW's and think man Ex/current whatever these people are wacked. But I was taken back when I started talking about my in-laws with just how many people have a story of JW's messing with or messing up someones life. Yes they usually recover but it bothers me on how so many people are left to cope with it alone. Another thing that bothers me with modern society is how we are told that there is something wrong with us if we get angry. And bring out the strait jacket if we stay that way. It is healthy to get angry when you are being attacked. And this is the thing that is so incedious about this group. They attack and the emotional level and the spiritual level. Even if you leave them as long as they plant the seeds of doubt as long as you look for everything that is wrong with another group then you will never be happy. And then if you stay unhappy they win. In todays world High Contol Groups and relationships are loosing their grip of power in all aspects of life. Battered women and children are not told to "just get over it" anymore. With Ex-JW's there may not be visible scares but they are there and they often hurt. And it is OK to get angry and it is OK to stay angry until you are ready to let it go.

  Thats how I see it

  Jay
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  WoMD ... so where are they?

  by Simon in

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  now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

  perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

  now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

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  <Sigh> I give up
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  Jehovah’s Witnesses – why I hate them

  by donkey in

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  hate strong word .

  i hate jehovahs witnesses pure and simple.

  i know hate is a strong word and people often try to encourage one to find an alternative manner of description.

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  "In doing that the collective is truly evil and dangerous."
  
  
  
  
  To honor the LORD is to hate evil;
  I hate pride and arrogance, evil ways and false words.
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  Hi - I'm new here

  by kaz in

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  hello i'm kaz and i'm new here.. i was a jw for nearly thirty years, i felt like a "lame duck" when i left, but now i have got a life at last!.

  i have only just got a computer, so please bear with me - i am learning to type too !!.

  the lies going on, the definate lack of love, the treatment paedophiles and their victims, un.

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  Jayson

  Hi Kaz,

  Hope to see you in the threads.
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  I Want My Dub Friend To See The Truth

  by ADubsFriend in

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  hello all.. i used to post here as imissthedub.

  after almost 2 years, the dub and i are now in contact and friends.

  this is now a strictly platonic relationship, and always will be.

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  You should prepare yourself for what you are doing. I only wish that someone had told me to before I began to have relationships with Jehovah Witnesses. They will take advantage of nativity. It is one thing to be friendly with a Jehovah Witness they are benign if you are not a threat. But if you move against the Organization then I can say with quite a bit of certianty that the relationship will change. Educate yourself for them and for you.
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  WoMD ... so where are they?

  by Simon in

  1. social
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  now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

  perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

  now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

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  So are all of the JWD Middle Eastern and military scholars in favor of the UN lifting the santions against Iraq or leaving them in place?
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  What kind of JW would it take to defend his/her faith amongst apostates?

  by be wise in

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  im thinking only a brain-dead one!

  maybe the whipper snapper shows off to his/her jw friends, thinking they're so strong and superior because it doesnt affect their faith in god.

  (only a jw this small minded would even bother and would fail to see even some of the truth in what x-jws say.

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  It takes a believer that must be right. Their debate is not the interest in finding out "if" they are right. Because for them even if what they currently hold as the truth is proven false it still must be right. Otherwise, why else would the Watchtower have published it? People in all walks of life fall for propaganda that suits their prejudices. It is not just the JW's that suffer from not being able to face the reality of false teachings. Even when it is plainly shown that the material is bunk they still slide into debating the merit of the spirit of the message.
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  Oroborus is YoYoMama?????

  by bluesapphire in

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  simon, i think he's back.

  did you let him back?

  please get rid of him again.

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  Jayson

  So what Pris?

  Because he asked questions and gave little info about himself, some quickly came to the conclusion that he was a troll. Minimus has been on this board for almost a year, and over that time he has given information about himself (and his family).

  Nobody has to do anything here that they do not want to. Simon makes sure of that. If you choose to give info that's a choice. Minimus talks of a "mob menatality" of JWD posters, that's crap. Period.
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  Did People In The "Truth" Have Better Marriages Than Those In The "World"?

  by minimus in

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  "marry only in the lord"...... if you marry outside the "truth", your marriage "will be doomed"...... what was your experience regarding a mutual witness marriage?

  was it all that it was cracked up to be???

  did you know of others that had a great marriage because theywere witnesses?

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  IMHO a lot of young JW's get married to have sex; And, that spells disaster.