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Am I an "apostate"?

by 4christ in

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23 years ago

i was wondering if i am considered one by the wt defintion.

i have never been a jw in my life but i disagree with their doctrine.

are all the "worldies" considered "apostates" or just the ex jws?

23 years ago

4christ 23 years ago

I must not be a real "apostate" since i dont know the secret handshake

So since i have never been a witness, i am not technically an "apostate" , right? why then do the jWs that come to my door run away when i start talking to them about my belief in Jesus? Even the ones on this site won't answer three simple questions. aren't they supposed to try to convert me? Don't they care that im going to die at Armaggedon? If God is with them, why would they be afraid of little ole me? What do they have to fear?
Why won't they answer my questions?

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Am I an "apostate"?

by 4christ in

jw
friends

23 years ago

i was wondering if i am considered one by the wt defintion.

i have never been a jw in my life but i disagree with their doctrine.

are all the "worldies" considered "apostates" or just the ex jws?

23 years ago

4christ 23 years ago

I was wondering if I am considered one by the WT defintion. I have never been a JW in my life but I disagree with their doctrine. Are all the "worldies" considered "apostates" or just the ex JWs?

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Lies! Lies! Lies?

by Ephanyminitas in

23 years ago

exactly what has the society outright lied about?

i mean stuff that can be proven.

23 years ago

4christ 23 years ago

Funk and Wagnalls dictionary:

lie 1.An untrue statement made with the intent of deceiving; a falsehood. 2 That which creates or is intended to produce a false impression. lied, lying: 1. To make and untrue statment or statements, esp with intent to deceive. 2. To give an erroneous or misleading impression

WT 2/1881 p188- "New light never contradicts old light, but adds to it"
WT 2/15/1933 p 51: "There are no scriptures in Gods word that are contradictory. All are in exact harmony"

now see WT 4/2/1920, p103- "That it (the finished mystery) contains some mistakes is freely admitted. Even the Bible contains some"

Which is it? How can scripture be in "exact harmony" and yet "contain some" mistakes? One of those statments must be a lie.

Heres a doozy:" The Bible is organization minded and it cannot be fully understood without our having the theocratic organization in mind." I believe this is a lie, esp the second part of the statement.

talking about the Trinity, WI 4/1/1970: " The doctrine, in brief, is that there are three gods in one" This is not what Trinitarians believe! Believers in the triune God believe that there are three PERSONS in ONE GOD. Its the JW's who believe in three seperate gods: Jehovah, Jesus , and Satan.

WT 8/1/1972 p 458 "The organization is controlled altogether by God and by the forces he operates"

But this one, this one i think takes the cake: WY 6/1/1960 p352: "Lying to God's enemies is not really lying but war strategy"
This statement alone proves that the WT condones lying when it suits their purpose.

peace to all-L

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Can any Witness possibly anwser this question?

by jerome in

23 years ago

hello all... i came across this line of questioning many months on the inet so i decided that i would submit just this once to peer pressure and make a usefull contribution to the board.. here is the question... is jesus just "a god?".

many of the regular inet surfers would have come across this line of questioning before so if you have you could just sit back and relax and read the replys.. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>.

me: so is he a 'lesser true god' or a 'lesser false god?'.

23 years ago

4christ 23 years ago

Thank you, Penn! I have enjoyed your posts, too.

Peace be with you - Lauren

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Can any Witness possibly anwser this question?

by jerome in

23 years ago

hello all... i came across this line of questioning many months on the inet so i decided that i would submit just this once to peer pressure and make a usefull contribution to the board.. here is the question... is jesus just "a god?".

many of the regular inet surfers would have come across this line of questioning before so if you have you could just sit back and relax and read the replys.. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>.

me: so is he a 'lesser true god' or a 'lesser false god?'.

23 years ago

4christ 23 years ago

Apostate man:
thats right! they do believe in a trinity don't they? not one triune god but three seperate gods! 1+1+1=3! And one of their Gods is Satan.....*chill* And they would say that my God is some three headed monster! I guess the witnesses around here have stopped responding to this thread......

i really want to know their answers! i get witnesses at my door wanting to tell me this "good news" of which i am still not clear exactly what they think the "good news" is..even after reading an article about this supposed "good news"...seems they love to talk about the end of the world, but get too deep into talking about Jesus,and first they dance around the subject, and then start posting other threads with cut and paste articles instead of defending their faith.

Bang, i suppose your right, we can't expect them to believe in Jesus as God because we say it is so. i could not believe it myself until I saw with my own eyes that this is what the Bible says about Him. Can't they look with their own eyes and see what the Bible actually says? Its just so amazing, they go on and on about recieving "accurate knowledge" and yet they simply ignore the evidence in the Bible and even their own publications. It must be because they are taught to "fight against independant thinking".

It would be one thing if they were spreading these false doctrines among themselves, but they are out to convert me and my neighbors with lies and double speak. This bothers me. People have a right to believe what they want, even if its a lie, but they are out there actively misleading Christians away from Christ. And they call themselves Christian! They don't even really want to TALK about Jesus and yet they think they are the only true Christians! How does this add up?

JW's out there, if i am wrong, show me where in the Bible! If i am mistaken, set me straight! If you are right, i am going to die in armageddon VERY soon so can't you answer my questions?

Is Jehovah the Lord?
Is Jesus the Savior?
Is Jesus a true God or a false God?

Are these questions so hard for a mature bible student to answer?

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Can any Witness possibly anwser this question?

by jerome in

23 years ago

hello all... i came across this line of questioning many months on the inet so i decided that i would submit just this once to peer pressure and make a usefull contribution to the board.. here is the question... is jesus just "a god?".

many of the regular inet surfers would have come across this line of questioning before so if you have you could just sit back and relax and read the replys.. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>.

me: so is he a 'lesser true god' or a 'lesser false god?'.

23 years ago

4christ 23 years ago

I guess MavMan has a multi personality complex........ Won't any of his personas answer the questions?

peace to all-L

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Can any Witness possibly anwser this question?

by jerome in

23 years ago

hello all... i came across this line of questioning many months on the inet so i decided that i would submit just this once to peer pressure and make a usefull contribution to the board.. here is the question... is jesus just "a god?".

many of the regular inet surfers would have come across this line of questioning before so if you have you could just sit back and relax and read the replys.. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>.

me: so is he a 'lesser true god' or a 'lesser false god?'.

23 years ago

4christ 23 years ago

dungbeetle: lol!

Is this the same as YoYoMama? I didnt realize but I have seen some of his drivel. Seems he would rather poke fun at things he doesn't understand than answer legitimate questions.
I just don't get it- can't JW's just answer the questions straight out? If they think Jehovah is not the Lord, why don't they admit it? If they think Jesus is not the Savior , why don't they admit it? If their religion is true, can't they give a straight answer to a simple question? Aren't they supposed to make sure of all things?
You Know just kind of spun around the question. If Jehovah made Jesus a "god" how does that reconcile with other scripture that states there was no other God formed, before or after God?
You Know,
can you give a straight yes or no answer to my questions? Not some long essay, just simple yes or no will be fine.

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Church of Free Speech

by MavMan in

23 years ago

church of free speech: the jehovah's witnesses this month wage the latest in a storied line of cases before the high court.. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------.

at the watchtower educational center in patterson, new york, about 50 miles northeast of manhattan, lunchtime for everyone is 12:15. at the vast dining hall, on this day in late autumn, more than 1,000 people will be fed in less than an hour.

jehovah's witnesses, clean cut, well dressed and very multicultural, stream into the dining room, smiling, looking unstressed and unburdened.

23 years ago

4christ 23 years ago

Hi Mavman,
Its a shame that the WT doesn't allow its own members the basic human rights they make such a show of fighting for..... like freedom of thought.

BTW, are you going to answer my questions on the other thread?

Peace to all-L

"Watch out for the teachers of the law" -Jesus Christ, Mark 12:38

edited for spelling

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Can any Witness possibly anwser this question?

by jerome in

23 years ago

hello all... i came across this line of questioning many months on the inet so i decided that i would submit just this once to peer pressure and make a usefull contribution to the board.. here is the question... is jesus just "a god?".

many of the regular inet surfers would have come across this line of questioning before so if you have you could just sit back and relax and read the replys.. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>.

me: so is he a 'lesser true god' or a 'lesser false god?'.

23 years ago

4christ 23 years ago

also:
Jehovah= one God
Jesus= one god (little g)
one plus one= two

Jehovahs Witnesses believe in two Gods!

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Can any Witness possibly anwser this question?

by jerome in

23 years ago

hello all... i came across this line of questioning many months on the inet so i decided that i would submit just this once to peer pressure and make a usefull contribution to the board.. here is the question... is jesus just "a god?".

many of the regular inet surfers would have come across this line of questioning before so if you have you could just sit back and relax and read the replys.. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>.

me: so is he a 'lesser true god' or a 'lesser false god?'.

23 years ago

4christ 23 years ago

MavMan:
Do the math yourself-how does it add up? Is the answer to 1x1x1 not 1? I notice you don't even attempt to answer the questions brought up here.....Don't you have an answer?
Come on, now, if your faith is worth anything, isn't it worth defending?
Is Jehovah the Lord?
Is Jesus a true God? A false God?
Is Jesus the Savior?

Can't you answer these questions yes or no?

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