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Did Jesus Christ exist at all?

by Tyler in

some of my comments (and that of others) on other threads have highlighted a basic differance between those of us who belieave jesus christ did exist, and those of us who recon he did not.

i belieave jesus as described in the gospells did not exist.

so i decided to start a thread that adresses this issue face on.

Tyler

Ok, here goes...

Other than the Gospells themselfs, there is no contempory evidence for the existance of Christ. This is strange as the Romans were very literate and lots of letters an perefial writings all over the empire have been descovered. Among Jewish works there is the Talmud that makes very vague statemants that some recon refur to Jesus, but they controdict the gospels and are spurious anyway. Then there is Josephus who makes very glowing references to Jesus the Christ. The odd thing about Josephus is that every now and then he comes out with a perephial about Jesus, yet he devotes no chapter to him. Instead he writes pages about relatively unimportant thiefs and other criminals who were tried by Pilate, yet Jesus only gets the odd paragraph that is out of context to the chapter. Mmm. Some scholers have suggested that Christians imported these comments to give some credence to Jesus' existance in the face of there not being any. But of course, Christians know better!

Any counter arguments?

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Did Jesus Christ exist at all?

by Tyler in

some of my comments (and that of others) on other threads have highlighted a basic differance between those of us who belieave jesus christ did exist, and those of us who recon he did not.

i belieave jesus as described in the gospells did not exist.

so i decided to start a thread that adresses this issue face on.

Tyler

Some of my comments (and that of others) on other threads have highlighted a basic differance between those of us who belieave Jesus Christ did exist, and those of us who recon he did not. I belieave Jesus as described in the Gospells did not exist. So I decided to start a thread that adresses this issue face on. Let me gather my thoughts, and I'll post later. Meanwhile, anyone els who has their thoughts ready to post can beat me to it if you like.

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True identity of Babilon The Great.

by Mr Bean in

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ok. now i'll tell you who are the sixth king of revelation and

Tyler

You have to wait for all the symbols to load. Very anoying, I know. So go on, tell us!!

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When A Friend Lies....

by pettygrudger in

i have a question for you - what do you do when you catch a "friend" in a lie.

i have a friend who i haven't known for a long time....and so far i have "caught" this person in 2 lies (no one on this board, or any board for that matter).

lies that weren't necessary.

Tyler

Well, not knowing the nature of the lie or many details for that matter, it's hard to know. Here goes the benefit of my experience:

What friends I've had who have lied to me one way or another have also used me one way or another. Usually it has been money. Oh the lies I caught them out on had nothing to do with money, but on reftection they did tend to 'run out' of money on a night out and I of course had to pay their share of the rounds. Or more subtle things like expecting me to travel to them (costing money) but they always had an excuse not to travel to me, or something came up, etc.

Looking back I realised that catching them out on one or two 'little' lies was the warning sign for a flood gate of lies later on. My advice, make sure anything you have leant them is back in your safe keeping, and RUN LIKE EXPLETIVE DELETED

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He died on a cross

by ClassAvenger in

do any of you ex-jehovah witnesses still believe that jesus died on a stake, or a cross?

Tyler

The greek word /storos/ does mean stake rather than cross, however if cross beams were used in the roman execution, it would go without saying that it was a cross. Having read a book called 'the Jesus Mysteries' by Peater Gandy and Timothy Freak it seems that Christianity was born from the welding of paganism with judaism, and fuled by the despair of Jerusalem's destruction to make sense of everything.

The question is not whether Jesus actually died on a stake or a cross, but was he supposed to have died on a stake or a cross. Without the cross imagery you still have him dying for our sins. With the cross imagery you have him dying for our sins on a pagan symbol of life and death!

Here is a question. If the gospel writers wanted to say he died on a 'cross' what greek word would/could they have used?

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Do demons flee from the name of God?

by ClassAvenger in

alright, i need a question answered, if possible with bible versicles.

do demons flee when someone pronounces god's name, jehovah?

i know this is a belief from the jws, but i don't know on what it is founded, or if it is.

Tyler

I think it is an urben legend that has spread aroung the congregations. I'm sure that the WT has cited experiences that has perpetuated these legends. I've lost my WT CDrom, so perhaps others can search 'demons' in the search and find experiences. I even remember a woman who was kidnapped prayed to 'Jehovah' and it made the kidnappers be nice to her. Even wards off rape!!

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The Name of God

by ClassAvenger in

i have a friend who is a jehovah witness.

once we started talking about prayer, and i told him that we referred to god as 'lord', or 'god', or 'father', for reverence or respect, although we did not have prohibited to say jehovah.

he said that i was wrong, that it was necessary to state that the prayer was for jehovah and not any other god.

Tyler

By the way, Francois, The whole point of this thread is about what to say to a ~~JW who insists you should call God by his name. I honestly don't think that quoting some pagan Chinese guy and asserting that the bible lies when it said God revealed his name will at all work. Your comments are interesting from a philisofical point ov view, but irrelevant to this thread.

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The Name of God

by ClassAvenger in

i have a friend who is a jehovah witness.

once we started talking about prayer, and i told him that we referred to god as 'lord', or 'god', or 'father', for reverence or respect, although we did not have prohibited to say jehovah.

he said that i was wrong, that it was necessary to state that the prayer was for jehovah and not any other god.

Tyler

The ten commandments, Exodus 20:7: 'You must not take up the name of Jehovah your God in a worthless way'.

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Spying On Your Kids

by rocketman in

on last night's installment of 20/20, there was a segment that dealt with parents who use modern technology to spy on their children.

one dad used a gps installed in his car to track the movements of his daughter.

another dad installed spyware in his computer and monitored the e-mails and im chats of his daughter.

Tyler

Witty. No, I just think this thread was leaning a little too much on the tyranical side. Had you all been saying that kids need to be left alone to dicover themselfs and find their place in the world I would have argued more stronly for discipline and controll. Two extreems are intimidation and neglect. Too much discipline is intimidating. None is neglect. I guess you just have to use your own common sense to avoid either extreem. There are no 'rules' per se'. The trouble is that whenever there is a discussion or debate about pairental controll it always seems to lean too far to either extreem, and I hate to think of a pairent reading this forum and thinking to themselfs 'Mmm. I ought to be a lot harder on my son/daughter/s because if they don't they'll get a gun and shoot down their high school/become a terrorist/get pregnant a three/become a junkie and steal from my handbag/wallet to support their habbit/ join a street gang and start fighting over territory/ blah blah blah...etc.' Suddenly they burst into their son/daughter's room and start nagging them for watching Barney the Dinosaur because Dinosaurs are preditors and it might have a subliminal effact on their fragile little minds that will take seed and turn them into serial killers when they grow up. Ok that was an exageration. But I just don't like the thought of things like this forum justifying abuse. Abuse is not an exterrm. It is a reality, and when you go on your spiel about Kids turning bad, it is easy to forgett that it is not always that way. Both sides must be heard.

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Spying On Your Kids

by rocketman in

on last night's installment of 20/20, there was a segment that dealt with parents who use modern technology to spy on their children.

one dad used a gps installed in his car to track the movements of his daughter.

another dad installed spyware in his computer and monitored the e-mails and im chats of his daughter.

Tyler

Yea? Well at least I have the sense to refute your words with reasons and reasoning, rather than paint you with a predjudicial 'label'. What the hell is a 'Liberal' anyway? If it's the other party to George W Bush I'll consider it a compliment.