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The Holy Spirit... and DOES God Speak to Us?

by AGuest in

may you all have peace.

last night when i went to bed, my heart was quite heavy: there were things on it, in it, thereon... whatever... that i could not reconcile: i know what i have heard from my lord - how do i get others who love him to grasp that such a thing is possible, to understand that they do not have to take my word for it, but can ask him, for i am nothing more than a good-for-nothing-slave... and have "sold" myself into the "service" of the one who "bought" me... so that it is his will that i must obey... whether earthling man hears... or refrain?

this is not new "fight" with me, let me tell you: i know exactly how jeremiah felt, for i cannot count the times my heart has felt the same thing.

noko

hmmm, thought so.

Christ died, meaning he didn't always exist, meaning the trinity doctrine is what it always has been, a lie.

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The Holy Spirit... and DOES God Speak to Us?

by AGuest in

may you all have peace.

last night when i went to bed, my heart was quite heavy: there were things on it, in it, thereon... whatever... that i could not reconcile: i know what i have heard from my lord - how do i get others who love him to grasp that such a thing is possible, to understand that they do not have to take my word for it, but can ask him, for i am nothing more than a good-for-nothing-slave... and have "sold" myself into the "service" of the one who "bought" me... so that it is his will that i must obey... whether earthling man hears... or refrain?

this is not new "fight" with me, let me tell you: i know exactly how jeremiah felt, for i cannot count the times my heart has felt the same thing.

noko

Good UDF, you just showed that the soul does not depart from us when we die because it is us that are souls that dies the same way as any animal.

Ec 3:19	Because the fate of the sons of men and the fate of the beasts is the same. As is the death of one so is the death of the other, and all have one spirit. Man is not higher than the beasts; because all is to no purpose.
Ec 3:20	All go to one place, all are of the dust, and all will be turned to dust again.
Ec 3:21	Who is certain that the spirit of the sons of men goes up to heaven, or that the spirit of the beasts goes down to the earth?

Read again UDF, Man is not higher than beasts, all go to one place, dust. The death of us is the same as the death of an animal and ALL HAVE ONE SPIRIT. Ec 3:21 Is a rhetorical question with the obvious answer that the Spirit is the gift of all life or breath from God and it goes back to him when we or an animal dies.

Now the sacrafice deals with life UDF, the life is in the blood, the true drink the spirtual blood of Christ in which he died once as the Bible says. When you sacrafice an animal the spirit returns to God, when Christ sacraficed himself his spirit returned to God. It is the spirit that matters, not the flesh.

Now you keep bringing up Rev 6:10, now you answer me, who are these souls preserved at Gods altar? What relationship do they have with Christ?

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The Holy Spirit... and DOES God Speak to Us?

by AGuest in

may you all have peace.

last night when i went to bed, my heart was quite heavy: there were things on it, in it, thereon... whatever... that i could not reconcile: i know what i have heard from my lord - how do i get others who love him to grasp that such a thing is possible, to understand that they do not have to take my word for it, but can ask him, for i am nothing more than a good-for-nothing-slave... and have "sold" myself into the "service" of the one who "bought" me... so that it is his will that i must obey... whether earthling man hears... or refrain?

this is not new "fight" with me, let me tell you: i know exactly how jeremiah felt, for i cannot count the times my heart has felt the same thing.

noko

Can you explain why the spirit of a man goes upward, but the spirit of an animal goes downward to the earth? What does that mean?

That is not what it says UDF.

So, are you saying that God referred to the mind and heart of Adam as "dust"?

The thoughts do perish when someone die's UDF.

Ps 146:4

His spirit departs, and he returns to the earth. In that very day, his thoughts perish.

Soul in the Bible means what makes you as in mind, body, thoughts, heart and what not. Now Satan said it wasn't so when you die.

You believe that Jesus existed in Heaven as the "Word" and "Son" before He was born as a Human, correct?

Yep.

You also believe that God transferred the Word from Heaven into Mary's womb, correct?

His life.

My question to you is: What did God transfer from the Word in Heaven into Mary's womb?

He laid down his life in heaven to become flesh UDF, so the answer again is his life.

Did God kill the Word

No. The word laid down his own life for a sacrafice for us.

Did God transfer the "Life-Force" ("spirit") from the Word and put it inside of a Human Body inside of Mary? If that is the case, then that must mean the "Life-Force" contains memory and personality.

Now Jesus had to learn like any other child UDF, he didn't have infinite wisdom. He had to be disclipline just like the rest of us. His diapers had to be changed and he did suck from Mary's breast. He was Human. The knowledge of his formal existence was wiped out until he was annointed by God. In other words no memory was there until he was annointed and the heavens where opened up to him.

Now the rest of your questions are either jeberish (sorry) or I don't have time to respond right now. More later.

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For those who ask, "why, God?"

by AGuest in

may you all have peace!

a dear one asked me some questions recently, including why god isn't... doing "anything"... and what is he doing.

for reasons of confidentiality, i will not name the person, but i am going to post some parts of our discussion, because i think it may put some things into "perspective" for some who truly wish to know:

noko

What is funny, everytime I read one of AGuest posts I think of the Oracle in the Matrix and hear her voice. Now I know AGuest would deny this this to the hills because she is no medium but that is my problem I guess. Hi AGuest, I love the Matrix as well and watched the blasted movie at least 30 times and waiting for Matrix Reload to come to DVD so that I can probably repeat my previous record. I did see Matrix Reload at the theator and had a blast. One of the few movies that got my brain cells active I might add. May Jah continue to bless you.

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The Holy Spirit... and DOES God Speak to Us?

by AGuest in

may you all have peace.

last night when i went to bed, my heart was quite heavy: there were things on it, in it, thereon... whatever... that i could not reconcile: i know what i have heard from my lord - how do i get others who love him to grasp that such a thing is possible, to understand that they do not have to take my word for it, but can ask him, for i am nothing more than a good-for-nothing-slave... and have "sold" myself into the "service" of the one who "bought" me... so that it is his will that i must obey... whether earthling man hears... or refrain?

this is not new "fight" with me, let me tell you: i know exactly how jeremiah felt, for i cannot count the times my heart has felt the same thing.

noko

Ec 5:3

For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

Taking heed of the above I will try to be short and hopefully to the point. I will briefly talk about Bible death teachings and leave it as that.

God clearly told Adam what death was,

Ge 3:19

In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

God was talking about Adam whole person, a living soul, not just his body "unto dust shalt thou return". Adam creation is describe as being formed by dust and God gave the breath of life or spirit making the him a living soul.

Ge 2:7

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Now what of the soul that sins? Soul meaning the whole person, what makes you or me what we are, in short we are living souls.

Eze 18:4

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

The body goes back to dust, the soul that sinneth die's, now what of the spirit? First what is the spirit? The spirit is the breath of life which belongs to God which is used as well on all living things.

Ec 3:19	For that which happens to the sons of men happens to animals. Even one thing happens to them. As the one dies, so the other dies. Yes, they have all one breath; and man has no advantage over the animals: for all is vanity.
Ec 3:20	All go to one place. All are from the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Ec 3:21	Who knows the spirit of man, whether it goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, whether it goes downward to the earth?"

Our death is liken to animals, same breath, both with the spirit leaving.

Ec 12:7

And the dust returns to the earth as it was, And the spirit returns to God who gave it.

God is the one that gives the spirit, it is not the person but the life force or breath that makes all life possible. The spirit belongs to God who can take it back when he chooses.

Ps 104:29	You hide your face: they are troubled; You take away their breath: they die, and return to the dust.
Ps 104:30	You send forth your Spirit: they are created. You renew the face of the ground.
Ps 104:31	Let the glory of Yahweh endure forever. Let Yahweh rejoice in his works.

Now Satan said that you would not die if you sinned but would be like God, immortal. Enough said on this part.

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For those who ask, "why, God?"

by AGuest in

may you all have peace!

a dear one asked me some questions recently, including why god isn't... doing "anything"... and what is he doing.

for reasons of confidentiality, i will not name the person, but i am going to post some parts of our discussion, because i think it may put some things into "perspective" for some who truly wish to know:

noko

Naa, AGuest needs to just let it all hang out, ahmmm I mean let our Lord direct her steps. Frankly I think she is the sanest person/poster here, LOL, she makes utter sense to me. Oh well who ever said I was sane . . . Sister AGuest keep up the great posts if you would . . .

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Study July 6, 2003 Listen to What the Spirit Says

by jgnat in

study july 6, 2003 listen to what the spirit says wt may 15, 2003

jezebel women in the congregation!

5 let no self-appointed prophetess seek to manipulate others in the present-day christian congregation .

noko

Why do the women get all the fun - are there not also Jezebel men in the congregations as well?

Doesn't the Bible say women are the feebler vessel? 1pe: 3:7. In any case I would say more Jezebel spirited men have lead congregations then women. Also in my house I am surely the servant of my wife. She rules the roost so she thinks .

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On Blaming God...

by AGuest in

may you all have peace!

i find it funny... as in peculiar... that from adam until today... "we"... get our kicks blaming god.

starting with adam, who said, "the woman... that you gave me... she... made me... eat," we have this penchant to look everywhere but in the mirror.

noko

Cain did serve a life sentence here on Earth til death, while Abel will be brought back from death for eternal life.

Why does the above sentence by :noko: annoy, disturb,and scare me.

If one serves his sentence isn't one aquited from the crime? If your debts are paid they are paid and you do not owe anything for the debt. In other words Jehovah allowed Cain to live so that it would be possible for him to be forgiven, if Cain was forgiven maybe we will indeed shoot the breeze with him and his brother Abel in the Kingdom. Maybe that possibility will be more disturbing to you as well . In any case God is the true judge in this I do believe.

We know how evolution works, and "tinkering by a deity" is not part of the equation. To me, it diminishes the spectacle and beauty of our world whenever someone says, "God did it". The fact that God did not do it makes it all the more interesting and marvellous.We are all enormously lucky to be alive.

Now what may really trip your trigger is the idea that maybe tinkering by deities caused what we think is evolution. The tree of death had much work to do to challege the tree of life, a court case you could say. It is best if we free our minds and let our hearts be written upon by Christ. . .

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The Holy Spirit... and DOES God Speak to Us?

by AGuest in

may you all have peace.

last night when i went to bed, my heart was quite heavy: there were things on it, in it, thereon... whatever... that i could not reconcile: i know what i have heard from my lord - how do i get others who love him to grasp that such a thing is possible, to understand that they do not have to take my word for it, but can ask him, for i am nothing more than a good-for-nothing-slave... and have "sold" myself into the "service" of the one who "bought" me... so that it is his will that i must obey... whether earthling man hears... or refrain?

this is not new "fight" with me, let me tell you: i know exactly how jeremiah felt, for i cannot count the times my heart has felt the same thing.

noko

You and I have two different beliefs about the condition of the dead.

Does it matter what we believe or does it matter what the truth is UDF?

Ge 3:19

In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Yahwey clearly told what death was in Genesis UDF. Dust has not life, does not think, does not have memory and is plainly dead. Now Satan, the one that is opposed to Yahwey said:

Ge 3:4

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Which spiritual Father do you prescribe to UDF? Yahwey or Satan? If you say Yahwey then why do you say the things of Satan then?

Ec 9:6

Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

Ps 84:11

For Jehovah God is a sun and a shield: Jehovah will give grace and glory; No good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.

UDF, when you are dead, you are dead to God Yahwey the greatest light of all. If your eyes don't see you are truely dark on the inside UDF.

But, according to you, does that mean The Father is the One who DIED? If it is The Father that did everything in Jesus, then that means The Father died, which is definitely NOT a Bible teaching.

Huh?? The Bible is clear who died UDF, as in the Son of Yahwey. Now you are saying he didn't die are you not? By saying he died but was in paradice the very same day. Now this is what Jesus said about what he does:

Joh 5:19

Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

As for Luke 23:42-43 the comma is in the wrong place since the greek word Semeron (say'-mer-on) means also this day and is used 22 times in the KJV as this day, Now how the translator translates can be very misleading, was Jesus saying today as in paradise he would be in, or is he saying today I tell you, you will be in paradise with me? Meaning Jesus making a pledge to the ex criminal next to him of a promise of paradise. Now the answer is easily found when you understand that Christ must be in the heart of the ground for 3 days and 3 nights as Jonah was in the belly of a fish.

Mt 12:40

For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

So UDF are you saying the ex-crminal was in paradise with Jesus that same very day in the heart of the earth as in a dead man's GRAVE?

Then again when Jesus was resurrected (being firstborn from the dead) after 3 days and 3 nights Jesus said to Mary at the grave after 3 days and 3 nighst:

Joh 20:17

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

So he hasn't ascended yet to the the Father which he directly witnesses is his God as well as Mary's God. So Jesus was in paradise with the ex-criminal all this time and not with God? Where is this paradise in the heart of the earth UDF, this paradise of the grave you would say? Ye shall not surely die right UDF? That is what Satan says, is that what you claim?

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On Blaming God...

by AGuest in

may you all have peace!

i find it funny... as in peculiar... that from adam until today... "we"... get our kicks blaming god.

starting with adam, who said, "the woman... that you gave me... she... made me... eat," we have this penchant to look everywhere but in the mirror.

noko

Well God gave Cain a chance to repent and to come back to him, if not Cain would die anyways. Abel will be resurrected, Cain may have killed the flesh of Abel but did not kill the spirit of Abel which will be brought back by God. Cain did serve a life sentence here on Earth til death, while Abel will be brought back from death for eternal life. God's justice is much higher then man's justice is the point here.