For those who ask, "why, God?"

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  • AGuest
    AGuest

    May you all have peace!

    A dear one asked me some questions recently, including WHY God isn't... doing "anything"... and what IS He doing. For reasons of confidentiality, I will not name the person, but I am going to post some parts of our discussion, because I think it may put some things into "perspective" for some who truly wish to know:

    - Why does God answer prayers at different speeds for different individuals –

    Truly, it all depends on a couple things: the challenge that the individual may unknowingly be facing at the time (Job 2:4), and the faith of the individual at the time of asking (James 1:5-8). Either… and at times both… of these will have some bearing.

    - When a person prays not to be raped and killed, do you think that if they are killed God didn't feel the need to save them or what? -

    Again, a couple things: first, some of us believe that this "life" is all there is, and so unless something is done NOW... they don't really want to hear it. Which I understand. I also understand that this life is NOT all there is... and God has not forgotten such ones. Their blood WILL be “avenged”. Also, there are those who live in this life that will not be granted to live in the next (they are having their “reward” now), and those who leave early from this one, but will receive their “reward”… eternal life… in the next. I would not deign to “check God’s hand” on who is chosen for which and why.

    Second, I have to say (and you may not like this)... the Father may not intervene... due to the "challenge" above. (Job 2:4) You see, it is Satan's self-appointed PURPOSE to 'wage war' with us... in any way he can. Persecution is one way. Killing us is another. By the hand of others… or by means of our own flesh… which “belongs” to HIS ‘father’… Death. To whom we have been sold… by Adam.

    And, it is also his (Satan’s) PURPOSE... to lead us AWAY from God. I ask you, IF it seemed that God was always there, always answering, always saving us... it would be EASY for us to love Him, wouldn't it? Of course. So many here have said as much. And that is exactly what Satan said: we only love God BECAUSE of what He does for us... and for that reason only. Our love is born purely of our selfishiness. But as with Job, he challenged God to REMOVE the "hedge" and "see if he will not curse you to your very face."

    That challenge has been made with regard to each and every one of us. And what has been the result? Well, hedges have been removed, certainly... and judging just by the comments made here… which is a TINY fraction of the whole world… there is a WHOLE lot of "cursing" of God going on. Sad to say, then, in many cases... it seems that Satan… was right. When God blesses us… we glorify Him; when He refrains… or does not intervene as we would wish Him to... we curse Him. Of course. That IS, after all, what Satan said we would do.

    - What is he accomplishing by allowing all the evil to continue in this world, if he has the power to do away with the wicked? -

    My Father is allowing US... each of us... to make our OWN lives a reply to Satan; He is not replying FOR us... or protecting us from the challenge presented by Satan. Satan... said we are "wimps". I am almost tempted to say that he was right: perhaps we are not truly cut out to be spirit beings, but like Adam, will do what WE want, no matter the cost... and then blame God and everyone else.

    Israel whined and moaned and complained. Are we STILL of that ilk? Or are we strong enough to give our Father A REPLY for the Adversary… the ACCUSER of us… the one who is TAUNTING Him… on our account?

    - How much time does a "God" need to make us realize we are the puny little humans and he is the "God"? -

    God is not trying to make us realize such a thing! Not at ALL! HE knows... that "we are dust". It is SATAN… who has made the accusation that we "can't stand the heat"! GOD... is giving us time to PROVE Satan WRONG… so that ALL creation will realize that we are NOT the puny little selfish wimps he has accused us of being… that ADAM gave evidence of! WE... CAN... “stand fast” in the Truth… Christ... and NOT be separated from him the Tree of Life… no matter WHAT tribulation, distress, persecution, hunger, nakedness, danger or sword, no matter WHAT death, what life, what angel, what government, what things now here or what things to come… no matter WHAT “other creation”… we may encounter.

    Because contrary to the accusation made by Satan, that “skin in behalf of skin and ALL that a man has, he will give in behalf of his soul,” we DO have INTEGRITY… and we DO know that the flesh is of no use at all but that it is the SPIRIT that is life-giving… so that we do NOT fear him that can kill the body… but it is Him that can destroy the SPIRIT whom we are sticking to.

    - I have a hard time reading the Old Testament because I don't like the personality of God -

    That was His "personality" when dealing with Israel who was under the LAW Covenant... an agreement which they KEPT profaning.

    - When I read the Gospel accounts, I fall in love with Jesus. He said "to know him, was to know the father" -

    Because NOW, you get to "see" God… by means of His SON… when He deals with Israel under the NEW Covenant. Which those who are "Israel" by means of SPIRIT... versus ancient Israel... God's people by means of the FLESH... who got everything they asked for… and agreed to. Good... and bad.

    By means of Christ, we can get what WE ask for, too.

    - I just don't get it -

    I hope you do, now. And I bid you peace!

    Your servant and a slave of Christ,

    SJ

  • IslandWoman
    IslandWoman

    SJ,

    In your post above. Are you speaking for yourself or for God? I notice you did not include the usual intro and closing in your post where you claim to speak for God.

    Does this mean you are speaking for yourself?

    IW

  • JT
    JT
    IF it seemed that God was always there, always answering, always saving us... it would be EASY for us to love Him, wouldn't it? Of course

    you have 5 yr old child who goes to school each day and gets beat on by the teacher, comes home with bruises and a busted nose, cuts and abrasions - the child ask you to go to school to talk to the teacher, yes just help him out , and your response is:

    "Honey if I am always there, always answering, always saving you... it would be EASY for you to love me, wouldn't it? Of course"

    for some reason i don't think that you would do that , instead you would help your helpless child who is beaten on by an adult each day-

    yet you try to sell us the concept that somehow by god allowing his kids to kill each other and hurt each other - it is suppose to result in the injuryed child who has been begging for help - loving him even more

    yea right

  • teejay
    teejay

    JT,
    You will usually find such gaping wholes in every post of Shelby's... especially when she speaks for god. It's just as well. He can't speak for himself. ;)

  • noko
    noko

    This world and the prince of it was judged, those things which are not right will be put to an end. Since we are in this world, which will be destroyed, we will suffer in it like Christ suffered, not by Jehovah's doing but by the god of this world Satan. You can only inherit what your parents can give you, nothing more.

  • rocketman
    rocketman

    Certainly, according to the Bible, Satan made a challenge and also implied that God put a "hedge" around Job, and of course by extension, all humans.

    However, there come to my mind certain situations where a little (or a lot) of intervention doesn't seem to hurt or imply some type of lack of faithfulness. The situation JT mentions for example - - a parent might deem it necessary to intervene. Indeed, in many cases, humans are expected to intervene when another person is in distress, such as when a crime or some abuse is occuring or when an accident or injury occurs.

    AGuest, you deserve credit for tackling a subject that has bothered countless humans for a long, long time. God's permission of wrong and of evil is a tough subject. It certainly has bothered me, and though I am trying to turn to the Scriptures more lately, it will always be a difficult concept for me to grasp.

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    IW, JT and Teejay... peace to you... and... please know that I do not speak for God. Your sarcastic insistence on this baffles me. It is YOU who wish to "see" it this way... although I have clarified over and over and over just what takes place. And why do you insist? Because of your own LACK... of faith... and of love. You would rather hiss and boo at ME... because YOU don't understand something, because the answers aren't what YOU wish to hear. Yet, you REFUSE to go to the One who could GIVE you such answers. When I tell you that it is possible... you hiss and boo that, as well. And then, you blame everybody, God... Christ... me... heck, everybody... but yourselves when you don't hear.

    I have TOLD you the TRUTH... that my Father, the Most Holy One of Israel, whose name is JAH of Armies... HAS One to speak for Him... His Son, my Lord, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH. I have TOLD you that it is THAT One who speaks to me and who I hear. I have TOLD you that in MOST cases, I am only sharing what I am GIVEN to share... and in the case above... I did not make the "usual disclosure" because it was not NEW... but simply a RE-sharing: my Lord did not come to me and tell me, "Say this and that, whether they hear or refrain." He had already DONE that... and when I did... I gave the glory to him.

    And why does he give it to ME? Because I listen. Because neither my head... nor my heart... is hard. Because I don't try to discredit what I am told... but rather, to understand it and put FAITH in it. Because there are those who HEARTS are "hard"... whose NECKS are "stiff"... whose EYES are "blind"... and whose EARS are "deaf"... and so no matter WHO is sent to them... they will STILL be so.

    Do I WANT to be sent? In TRUTH? No, not any more. I haven't for quite some time. Why? Because while many want to use their words to ridicule me as thinking I am "privileged"... or "better"... or what have you... MOST forget that it... is... a... TORTURE... STAKE. The REASON you don't hear... and the REASON you are not given such "truths" is because MOST of you... would drop your "stake"... and RUN... at the FIRST sign of ridicule and persecution! You could not STAND being called all of the various names I have been called... and still keep "going"... whether they hear or they refrain.

    WHY do I keep "going"? Because... out of LOVE... I feel I MUST share what I am given: love for the Father, for the Son... and for my "neighbor." It is the LEAST that I would want someone to do for ME... should I be unable... or unwilling... to hear. And I ask NOTHING of you in return. Why? Because I RECEIVED FREE... therefore, I GIVE it free. Whether you hear or refrain.

    And so, I must confess to you... and to everyone here: I am tired. Quite tired. Truly. Again. Your heads... and more so YOUR HEARTS... are quite hard... many times too hard for me. You don't know me AT ALL... and I am not as strong as you may perceive... in ANY way. There are SO many times when my HEART wants to cry out and beg it all to cease, to let me off from this commission... so that I can go on a just live MY life. Not care WHAT you all know... WHAT lies you believe... HOW you are misled... and whether you ever "get it" or not.

    I understand Moses... and Jeremiah... and Isaiah... and Elijah... and John the Baptist... and my Lord. I understand Stephen... and John... and even Paul. Israel is a REBELLIOUS house... and yet, they are ALWAYS crying out to God! They can't save themselves... and yet, when the means for salvation is offered... they reject it. They can't solve their OWN problems... yet the very One who CAN... they ridicule.

    So... why don't I just stop. I ask myself that ALL the time. I asked my Lord... no, I told him... yesterday... that I SHOULD stop... that who was I to even be speaking. And he told me that I "work"... for him... and not you. That it is HIS voice that I must obey... and not yours. For YOU... cannot save ME. And my salvation is tied up in this as much as anyone's. Whether it is to the wicked that I am sent... or the righteous.

    Ezekiel 3:20,21

    So... say what you will. And I will pray for a harder "forehead"... one of the strongest flint. The points I have made are valid... and you know it. However, like CAIN... YOUR ANGER... and your SELF-righteousness... has blinded you... as anger and self-righteousness always tends to do. You want to ridicule the "messenger"... go ahead. It comes with the job (indeed, a prophet is NOT welcome in his home territory), and I counted the cost before I agreed to the assignment.

    But please know this: I... will never chide or ridicule YOU. I will not make light of your concerns or dismiss your confusion. I WILL... try to give you the answers that have been given ME... to the best of my ability. I will ALWAYS... speak the TRUTH to you... whether you hear... or you refrain. And I will... remember each of you... when I come into the kingdom promised me by my Lord.

    I bid you peace... and I remain YOUR servant, as well as a slave of Christ,

    SJ

  • noko
    noko

    Hello sister in Christ AGuest,

    May your heart be filled with joy from our Father in heaven who resides in us through our Lord. Have faith that Christ has found favor with you and rest assured you are harvesting a fine crop for our Lord and Savior. Real comfort does not come from the one who listens but from the Word of Truth which you indeed have, insure you always acknowledge and give thanks and praise to our Father in heaven. The more difficult times are indeed ahead, may we prove faithful to the end my dear sister in Christ.

  • badolputtytat
    badolputtytat

    I am sorry to sound negative, but this reminds me of the same old "leave it in god's hands" spill, they give to all the victims of the Watchtower society. But you presented it well.

    Funny how man chooses when and where god will intervene. Good things happen, and god did it... bad things happen and you just didn't leave things properly in God's hands....

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Thank you. Truly. How your words of comfort have made me feel today... is... indescribable. All I can say... is thank you... and may JAH bless. As always, when my flesh wishes to entertain the thought that it might have been... "forsaken"... He sends his "angels"... whether in spirit or in flesh... to "bind" my wounds. Today, you... and a few others... have been such angels for me.

    Again, thank you... and may the undeserved kindness and mercy of our heavenly Father, the Most Holy One of Israel, the God of Abraham... Isaac... Jacob... and our Lord and Master, His Son and Christ, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH... be upon you... you and your entire household... to time indefinite.

    May He make your path straight... and may all that you endeavor to do... succeed, by means of His blessing and holy spirit.

    I am your servant, truly... to time indefinite... and Christ's fellow slave.

    Shelby

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