In my opinion, sin is what you do that goes against common sense. It as nothing to do with Bible teaching. Evil is not the one who commits sins in your place. And think of this one, what was a sin at one time in the Bible wasn't a sin anymore after a while (i.e. eating pork meat). The concept of evil is one that is very hard to define. Some will even say that it doesn't exist. they often say that it is a creation of the collective mind to expell all of our sins on his back, in place of taking our responsibility and assume it for ourself. Frankly, if Evil exist, I don't think he is responsible for our wrongdoing. Maybe he is the starter of it all, but every one as the choice to do sin or not. I think evil is more a condition of heartless people that a spiritual being. However, whether it exist or not, it is up to everyone to make his own conception of what sin is.
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What is EVIL? Who Defines?
by D wiltshire inwhat is evil?.
who defines what is truly evil?.
if someone lived a trillion x longer than you, and had a billion x more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?.
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Christmas and birthdays...
by Celia inthis thought came to me this morning, as i was lying in bed, trying to figure out which end is up.... the jws dont celebrate christmas, the birth of christ their savior.... because in earlier times, the same date was used to celebrate the return of the sun, the winter solstice.... (by the way, celebrating the return of the sun makes a lot of sense... no sun - no life..... we know the sun is there, we know what it does, no such thing about a god...) .
but i regress.. so, because on this date, pagans used to celebrate the sun, the jws dont want to celebrate christs birth..... its a little bit like not wanting to celebrate the birthday of a loved one, because he/she was born on the same day as a bad guy in history, like hitler, or napoleon, or slobodan milosevic, or saddam hussein, or osama bin laden... etc.... hmmm... my thinking is flawed, because, of course, the jws dont celebrate birthdays either.... question : did they first decide that christmas was evil or birthday celebrating was ?.
edited because the emoticon does not work.... :) :?
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Frenchy
My thought on inconditonnal love is a love that transcends differences between people, that doesnt demand someone to change any behavior at all, because nobody is perfect here on earth. Like Jesus said, we all should love even the ones that we perceive as enemies, although I know that is very difficult, but i think it can be acheived through tolerance and understanding of the other. That love will never be perfect, but their is no reason not to try to reach it. Perfection is not the goal in life though. And for that matter, my opinion on goal in life isnt a goal that some crapy rulers have predesigned for you, but one that you want to attain. Without any restriction at all.
I hope that it will bring some light on the subject, and other conception on this topic is very welcome at well. it all leads for a better understanding.
With Regards:607BCisAbigLie
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End of Year 2001 - Conclusions Drawn
by Celtic inif there is one thing that i think that i have learn't this year, it is that people really do not give a shit about you, unless there is something in it for them to gain.
family?
they don't give a shit, they say they do, but when it comes to any real communication about feelings, you just get told to shut up, go away, not needed, useless, liar, your just making it up etc etc.. my old faith, jehovahs witnesses, do they care?
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And when you make that first step to go forward, the next one is just one step away. Think about this one...
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End of Year 2001 - Conclusions Drawn
by Celtic inif there is one thing that i think that i have learn't this year, it is that people really do not give a shit about you, unless there is something in it for them to gain.
family?
they don't give a shit, they say they do, but when it comes to any real communication about feelings, you just get told to shut up, go away, not needed, useless, liar, your just making it up etc etc.. my old faith, jehovahs witnesses, do they care?
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If this can help, my first step of salvation was to put any belief I had aside for a moment, just to focus on myself. I am not talking about narcissism, I am talking about introspection. Tell yourself now that you're freed from that organization, you can do whatever you want. Feel free to think by yourself, not waiting for someone else like you were taught to in the JW to think in your place. You are from now on free to experiment everything you wanted so much but couldn't because of the fear of beeing disfellowshipped. Do not even fear of beeing destroyed in a hypotetic Harmagedon, cause in no way you have to believe it, may it be true or not. It is a good thing for now, as you said, to care less for others and more for yourself. It may appear egocentric, but it is necessary to restrength your power to decide your own way of life. Geting information on sites written from ex-JW may afford great help, and feel free to make research on every aspect of the doctrine you were taugh. You may be surprised of what good information on major issues can provide help to regain some good critical thinking, all for a better understanding of the real world we all live in, a place surprisingly better than you actually think it is.
Not all things can be seen all white or all black (the Us and Them syndrome, in the WT). There is color everywhere, go out and see for yourself. Don't wait forever a paradise that is going farther everytime you think it's within reach. Thinking you are in somewhat a paradise here at this present time, what I think the actual world is (and I am not a dreamer, i just stopped thinking about the world as a bad place to live, only narrow minded persons make you think it actually is when it's not)it is worth a paradise many times promised but failed to come on time. So go outside, make new friends (although I know it is not easy), feel free to experiment, live your life as you always wanted to live it. It may sounds difficult at this time to do, but it is worth the effort. It will be good to feel free again, believe me. -
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The most violently insane acts in the Bible.
by sleepy inthe bible contains accounts of some horrendously voilent happenings.. some more graphic then many modern films.. this disturbs many when they first read those accounts.. heres one that stood out to me when i first read it.. 1 samuel 15:33 "with that samuel went hacking a'gag to pieces before jehovah in gil'gal".
it wasn't enough just to kill him but samuel hacked him to pieces in front of a large crowd of people.. i wouldn't want to get into a tangle with samuel if he got out of the wrong side of bed that morning.
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Sleepy:
If this was a film I wonder what rating it would have?
I think it would be: ****warning****The story depicted in this movie are the worst violent scenes ever taken on camera. Despite good history rendering you are about to see the most realistic violent scene in movie history.
note: banned in all countries except in the New Wolrd (getting it? lol)
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The most violently insane acts in the Bible.
by sleepy inthe bible contains accounts of some horrendously voilent happenings.. some more graphic then many modern films.. this disturbs many when they first read those accounts.. heres one that stood out to me when i first read it.. 1 samuel 15:33 "with that samuel went hacking a'gag to pieces before jehovah in gil'gal".
it wasn't enough just to kill him but samuel hacked him to pieces in front of a large crowd of people.. i wouldn't want to get into a tangle with samuel if he got out of the wrong side of bed that morning.
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Yeah that's very hard to reconciliate those horror stories with a loving God, but beside the things reported in the Bible , which i suspect more and more to have been writen by man and man only, relating their history and tell here and there that they have done those horrible things in the name of God, no surpise why God is been said to have left his jewish people!!!!
But in the meanwhile I don't think God is that cruel. But I don't believe either that God was really behind all these horrors, i just think that the Israelites have put a great effort to discredit God for being a loving and mercifull God. That's my point by now, and it can change, now that I'm outside of the organization I can think for myself and change whenever I want but will never return into that lying organization. Truth is hard to attain, but when lies come around, truth dosn't exist there anymore. -
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Are we in Jesus's Reign?
by ballistic insorry, to ask a basic question.
(and i have been accused of requiring spiritual milk in an email),.
but i just want to get this straight:.
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oh, by the way, maybe their next 'new light' should go like this:
"In accordance to new discovery(???) we now can estate for sure that the date of the second coming of the Lord should be 1934 instead of 1914. But what happened on that date that should be significant? Nothing may you say. That is not completely true. That is one year before the manifestation of the Great Crowd, don't you remember, you servants, cowards, blindmen [8>]? so blablablablabla" (with the usual crap that should follow, biblical references
Don't be surpised if that happens, because that happens all the time !!!!!!
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Are we in Jesus's Reign?
by ballistic insorry, to ask a basic question.
(and i have been accused of requiring spiritual milk in an email),.
but i just want to get this straight:.
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Sorry for the missing part is this sentence lol
If you apply the way the WTS do the 2520 (which is an obviuosly arbitrary interpretation of Daniel 4:10-17,20-26, see for yourself).The rest of should have been: calculated by the GB you now land on 1934!!! So all their castle is crumbling down and we have no true reasons to believe in their crap anymore .
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Are we in Jesus's Reign?
by ballistic insorry, to ask a basic question.
(and i have been accused of requiring spiritual milk in an email),.
but i just want to get this straight:.
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To say that 1914 is the date at which Jesus sat on the sacro-saint Throne in heaven, one must admit, in accordance with the WTS teachings (or misteachings, if you like ), that the destruction of Jerusalem's Temple and all of its suroundings has occured on the infamous date 607 B.C., which has no evidence at all in history. The real date for that event is, according to serious history research, 587-586 B.C. (I gess a lot of people here already knew). If you apply the way the WTS do the 2520 (which is an obviuosly arbitrary interpretation of Daniel 4:10-17,20-26, see for yourself).
Another evidence is that historical research as set up the date of the begining of the reign of Nebucadnezzar (sorry no time to check the orthograph ) on 605 B.C. So how could it be possible for him to destroy Jerusalem in 607 when it is said to had happen on the 19th year of his reign, which is approximately on 587-586 B.C.? By the way, the Bible still stay accurate on chronology on events depicted in it. That is hypocrites like WTS GB that deforms reality with distorted interpretations. But don't take what i say in my post for granted. Go and see for yourself. -
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Christmas and birthdays...
by Celia inthis thought came to me this morning, as i was lying in bed, trying to figure out which end is up.... the jws dont celebrate christmas, the birth of christ their savior.... because in earlier times, the same date was used to celebrate the return of the sun, the winter solstice.... (by the way, celebrating the return of the sun makes a lot of sense... no sun - no life..... we know the sun is there, we know what it does, no such thing about a god...) .
but i regress.. so, because on this date, pagans used to celebrate the sun, the jws dont want to celebrate christs birth..... its a little bit like not wanting to celebrate the birthday of a loved one, because he/she was born on the same day as a bad guy in history, like hitler, or napoleon, or slobodan milosevic, or saddam hussein, or osama bin laden... etc.... hmmm... my thinking is flawed, because, of course, the jws dont celebrate birthdays either.... question : did they first decide that christmas was evil or birthday celebrating was ?.
edited because the emoticon does not work.... :) :?
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Frenchy:
regarding this quote:
"So if one would feel compelled to celebrate that event, the gifts should be given to Christ"It remember me of something Jesus said that COULD be (emphasize on the word COULD) about that topic: All you do to any one, you do it to Jesus.
But i agree with your point, because we should'nt apply here everything with the Bible at hand 'cause you have to be sûre that the Bible is the truth, which no one can pretend it is. EVEN with reliable evidence, no one can pretend that the Bible is true in all its detail. But it can be in its real essence (not the one taught by WTS GB crooners), as to say that its real message, in my opinion (feel free to counteract it, 'cause that's the real way things comme clearer when you can oppose opinion to form a better opinion that can be counteracted as well), is a message of unconditionnal love (by the way, the Bible is'nt the ONLY way to learn about it, but one out of many) for all mankind. Everyone may be celebrating Christmas the way he/she want it to be celebrate as long as it stays a good time to party!!!