Thanx for the link. Now everyone can see why I choosed my nick after all. That was, 3 years ago, the matter which really gave me the last kick out of the WT beliefs. And I din't had all the explanation at that time, only a date, 587BC. So when I got myself a computer, 1 year from now, after a while I typed "jehovah" into my search engine, and as you would expect, I found many many information on the WT. And all the explanation on the way the WT interpreted the bible to provide that false teaching of the 607BC-1914AD doctrine.
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Top Secret Forms WTBTS/ "jehovah's witness...
by sf in< http://www.jehovahsnation.org/.
you'll need to scroll to said title of this post, within paul's site.
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Is the kiling of people in war justifiable to you?
by sleepy inhow do you feel about the killing of people in war ?especially those who do not share you ideals and there fore may encroach on your rights if they had authority over you?.
most of us having been witnesses would have justified opposers of god dying at armageddon because we believed they if left alive would ruin life for everyone else.. so if a political party or another nation gained power other you country that acted contrary to your beliefs to such a degree you though they would ruin or life or life style would you kill them in war?
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Englishman:
So you see that there is a grey zone in warfare, it depends on the motives, and not all motives are justifiable. Not every war has a noble purpose, some are very questionable.
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Is the kiling of people in war justifiable to you?
by sleepy inhow do you feel about the killing of people in war ?especially those who do not share you ideals and there fore may encroach on your rights if they had authority over you?.
most of us having been witnesses would have justified opposers of god dying at armageddon because we believed they if left alive would ruin life for everyone else.. so if a political party or another nation gained power other you country that acted contrary to your beliefs to such a degree you though they would ruin or life or life style would you kill them in war?
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LOL I can be wrong
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Is the kiling of people in war justifiable to you?
by sleepy inhow do you feel about the killing of people in war ?especially those who do not share you ideals and there fore may encroach on your rights if they had authority over you?.
most of us having been witnesses would have justified opposers of god dying at armageddon because we believed they if left alive would ruin life for everyone else.. so if a political party or another nation gained power other you country that acted contrary to your beliefs to such a degree you though they would ruin or life or life style would you kill them in war?
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WIthout war, we would be on a Nazi regime.
WIthout war, the ancient Israel poeple would have never come to live to worship God
Without war, fanatics like the Al-qaida would terrorise other countries in endless death toll
Without the ones who have died in WWII, we wouldnt have the Universal Declaration on Human Rights. Despotism, anti-semitism, racism, dictatorism, even if those are still existing in our days, it would have been pretty much worse if no one had ever died to protect the world from them.
In a world like we live in, it is impossible to attain peace without human casualties. But that doesn't mean that war is always the solution. But unfortunately, diplomatics often comes after the casualties are very high.
War is not good nor it is bad, it is much in a grey zone....
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False teachings of a JW?
by ruchristians ini have verses from the nwt that contradict the jw teachings.
does anyone want to try to explain this to me?
how bout this.... col 1:16, in talking about jesus, says that"... all [other] things have been created through him and for him".
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Adonai:
And more worse is that they based their translation (the NWT) on a greek text version from Wescott and Hort, the most controversed greek text of them all, according to exegetes.
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LET'S MAKE A LITTLE WAGER
by You Know inperhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.
as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.
since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.
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YouKnow:
You are a big waste of time for everyone. I wonder how can people continue to even listen to you. Maybe they are so tolerant about you, that they would want to make you come back into reality, my friend, cause you're going well deep into wickedness, to a point of no return maybe. But even with such kindess from all the posters, including me, you still continue to spill your poison onto us. Sorry for that post man but you have to awake yourself back into reality. That was my last post concerning you, YouKnow, and I will not even read your response to this one. If you ever notice it, cause you seem to avoid intelligent calls for sanity here.
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Who is babylon the great?
by 607BCisAbigLIE inthere is a site which anyone should visit it can be very interesting.. in that site you'll find information on history related to the book of revelation.
you'll notice that there is an interpretation that much suits to the people of the early christian times, than to the people of our time.
the logic is that when john wrote the apocalypse book, it had to be understood by the people of his time, with terms and symbolics that the early christians and others (like historians) would understand.
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"The seven heads are therefore oftentimes understood as seven emperors. One of these emperors is Nero (whose number is 666 [or, according to some manuscripts, 616])." (taken from http://folk.uio.no/otton/BabGreat.html)
The 616 seems to me to be an error in those manuscrit (although I obviously don't have them). See, maybe it was writen in Roman numbers. So the middle number is 1=X. But maybe the writer has made a mistake and we should have LX instead (it happens sometimes with manuscript).
But I can have it all wrong.
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Who is babylon the great?
by 607BCisAbigLIE inthere is a site which anyone should visit it can be very interesting.. in that site you'll find information on history related to the book of revelation.
you'll notice that there is an interpretation that much suits to the people of the early christian times, than to the people of our time.
the logic is that when john wrote the apocalypse book, it had to be understood by the people of his time, with terms and symbolics that the early christians and others (like historians) would understand.
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There is a site which anyone should visit it can be very interesting.
In that site you'll find information on history related to the book of revelation. You'll notice that there is an interpretation that much suits to the people of the early Christian times, than to the people of our time. The logic is that when John wrote the Apocalypse book, it had to be understood by the people of his time, with terms and symbolics that the early Christians and others (like historians) would understand. So go see by yourself, give your impression, and I will comment on it too later. -
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Good news for modern OBVEServers
by unclebruce inhey obves,.
goodnews - i just crunched your numbers with biblemans numbers and broke the mathmatical equations down to iir2 .. let me double check the algebra ... x2 + x + 41 = prime number - xerxies x nabonidus + daniel 360 = jesus pies are squared.
.. yep works every time .. break an equation down far enough and out pops old iir2.
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LOL
its all I've come up with... Sorry!!
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Christmas and birthdays...
by Celia inthis thought came to me this morning, as i was lying in bed, trying to figure out which end is up.... the jws dont celebrate christmas, the birth of christ their savior.... because in earlier times, the same date was used to celebrate the return of the sun, the winter solstice.... (by the way, celebrating the return of the sun makes a lot of sense... no sun - no life..... we know the sun is there, we know what it does, no such thing about a god...) .
but i regress.. so, because on this date, pagans used to celebrate the sun, the jws dont want to celebrate christs birth..... its a little bit like not wanting to celebrate the birthday of a loved one, because he/she was born on the same day as a bad guy in history, like hitler, or napoleon, or slobodan milosevic, or saddam hussein, or osama bin laden... etc.... hmmm... my thinking is flawed, because, of course, the jws dont celebrate birthdays either.... question : did they first decide that christmas was evil or birthday celebrating was ?.
edited because the emoticon does not work.... :) :?
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Yerusalyim:
Scripture is silent on the matter of whether or not Jesus celebrated his birthday. Scripture, however, is not silent about the angels. The ANGELS DID INDEED celebrate his birthday.
Very interesting point: I should investigate further on it.