Posts by 607BCisAbigLIE

207

IS THE WATCHTOWER A FALSE PROPHET?

by You Know in

when jesus was on earth the devil approached him quoting scripture in order to tempt and entrap him.

it is no wonder then that the apostate angel would be behind the effort to use the scriptures against jehovahs people today in order to mislead them.

one of the most cunning and effective uses of scripture against us by satans agents is the charge that we are false prophets.

607BCisAbigLIE

YouKnow wrote:

If his words didn’t come true than that meant that Jehovah didn’t speak them. That criteria can no longer hold true in the Christian era for the simple fact that God speaks to no one. And so any claimant of divine inspiration is automatically disqualified. The words of God as recorded in the Bible are the sole basis for our message and they cannot and will not fail

YouKnow, think carefully about this one: "If his words didn’t come true than that meant that Jehovah didn’t speak them". Yes, it is surely the case, how can we refute that one? But the next sentence tells about your knowledge of God's Word, which oubviously you din't really studied. Here again you have it all wrong. How can someone say that if someone is lying deliberately about God's Word he is still
considered a true prophet? Non-sense! I agree that in our days we can hardly tell if God is speaking to people or not. It is by a twist on word that the WT do not claim to get the message directly from God Himself, but they do claim to speak in God's name. That's pretty much the same thing just reformulated otherwise. LIARS are still not counted for true prophets of God in the New Testament. Otherwise, we would as well think that God is a liar too, which is impossible. It has been proven that the WT has told lies, and is still telling lies today (i.e. the ONG and UN affair). How can they be counted as true prophets of God, when God hates liars? Never!

In the Bible Peter denied that he even knew Jesus. That was of course a grievous sin that he deeply regretted. But, did that make him a false prophet?

Of course not, but he never stated that he was speaking in the word of God when he denied to have ever known Jesus. And more, he faithfully repented himself in such doing. He have been apologized. But he never spoke by the word of God when he said that he din't know Jesus. He was only protecting his own life, and the life of the other apostles.

207

IS THE WATCHTOWER A FALSE PROPHET?

by You Know in

when jesus was on earth the devil approached him quoting scripture in order to tempt and entrap him.

it is no wonder then that the apostate angel would be behind the effort to use the scriptures against jehovahs people today in order to mislead them.

one of the most cunning and effective uses of scripture against us by satans agents is the charge that we are false prophets.

607BCisAbigLIE

BTW, just not to be out of topic, yes I believe that the WT is a false prophet, cause everything the WT predicted has come to be false. And for the other part of being a prophet (true channel of God), a true prophet will ALWAYS speak according to God's Word, the Bible, and not according to a hypotetic channel (oh, BTW, is this what we call "channeling", considered by the WT as a esoteric way of spirits speaking through a man body?) between man and God. The WT, and more specificaly the GB, claims itself to be the channel of God. Yes I concede that they can do mistakes; however, it is really blasphemous when those mistakes are done under God's name. Giving false predictions, as it is well known now that they have done it in the past and continuing to this day, and thus saying that when there's a change in prophecy (and we all know that God's word never change) they have claimed to be the truth coming from God, to be "new light", that shows that the WT is a false prophet.

So YouKnow, i'm challenging you to provide us proof that the WT has made once in its relatively short life a single prediction that has come true, without any doubt. And don't talk to me about that 1914 crap, I already know the truth behind this.

207

IS THE WATCHTOWER A FALSE PROPHET?

by You Know in

when jesus was on earth the devil approached him quoting scripture in order to tempt and entrap him.

it is no wonder then that the apostate angel would be behind the effort to use the scriptures against jehovahs people today in order to mislead them.

one of the most cunning and effective uses of scripture against us by satans agents is the charge that we are false prophets.

607BCisAbigLIE

YouKnow,
Please, please....for 2002, could you kindly flush your posts and give us a break for the year.
Take a holiday, take a break, take whatever, but pleeeaaaaaaase!!!!

What a relief it should be!!! It only makes about 1 week that I post message on this DB and I already find YK a little annoying for those who want to heal from that Org. But sometimes it is fun to read his post, but after 5 min I'm already done, at least he should be a little less "enthousiastic" to call us apostates (that doesn't bother me, it's just that he refuse to look himself in the mirror). YK has no authority in such doing. Of course, YK has the right to post any idea he may have about the Bible, God, Jesus Christ or whatever, like as we do, even if we are not agreeing with his thoughs, but he could do it on a more polite way. For one who refuse to get critized on what he thinks, he have pretty much did it himself on others.

This is not what you say YouKnow, that is disturbing. It is the way you actually say it. Period.

4

Top Secret Forms WTBTS/ "jehovah's witness...

by sf in

jw
friends

< http://www.jehovahsnation.org/.

you'll need to scroll to said title of this post, within paul's site.

skally

607BCisAbigLIE

Thanx for the link. Now everyone can see why I choosed my nick after all. That was, 3 years ago, the matter which really gave me the last kick out of the WT beliefs. And I din't had all the explanation at that time, only a date, 587BC. So when I got myself a computer, 1 year from now, after a while I typed "jehovah" into my search engine, and as you would expect, I found many many information on the WT. And all the explanation on the way the WT interpreted the bible to provide that false teaching of the 607BC-1914AD doctrine.

19

Is the kiling of people in war justifiable to you?

by sleepy in

how do you feel about the killing of people in war ?especially those who do not share you ideals and there fore may encroach on your rights if they had authority over you?.

most of us having been witnesses would have justified opposers of god dying at armageddon because we believed they if left alive would ruin life for everyone else.. so if a political party or another nation gained power other you country that acted contrary to your beliefs to such a degree you though they would ruin or life or life style would you kill them in war?

607BCisAbigLIE

Englishman:

So you see that there is a grey zone in warfare, it depends on the motives, and not all motives are justifiable. Not every war has a noble purpose, some are very questionable.

19

Is the kiling of people in war justifiable to you?

by sleepy in

how do you feel about the killing of people in war ?especially those who do not share you ideals and there fore may encroach on your rights if they had authority over you?.

most of us having been witnesses would have justified opposers of god dying at armageddon because we believed they if left alive would ruin life for everyone else.. so if a political party or another nation gained power other you country that acted contrary to your beliefs to such a degree you though they would ruin or life or life style would you kill them in war?

607BCisAbigLIE

6of9

LOL I can be wrong

19

Is the kiling of people in war justifiable to you?

by sleepy in

how do you feel about the killing of people in war ?especially those who do not share you ideals and there fore may encroach on your rights if they had authority over you?.

most of us having been witnesses would have justified opposers of god dying at armageddon because we believed they if left alive would ruin life for everyone else.. so if a political party or another nation gained power other you country that acted contrary to your beliefs to such a degree you though they would ruin or life or life style would you kill them in war?

607BCisAbigLIE

WIthout war, we would be on a Nazi regime.

WIthout war, the ancient Israel poeple would have never come to live to worship God

Without war, fanatics like the Al-qaida would terrorise other countries in endless death toll

Without the ones who have died in WWII, we wouldnt have the Universal Declaration on Human Rights. Despotism, anti-semitism, racism, dictatorism, even if those are still existing in our days, it would have been pretty much worse if no one had ever died to protect the world from them.

In a world like we live in, it is impossible to attain peace without human casualties. But that doesn't mean that war is always the solution. But unfortunately, diplomatics often comes after the casualties are very high.

War is not good nor it is bad, it is much in a grey zone....

8

False teachings of a JW?

by ruchristians in

i have verses from the nwt that contradict the jw teachings.

does anyone want to try to explain this to me?

how bout this.... col 1:16, in talking about jesus, says that"... all [other] things have been created through him and for him".

607BCisAbigLIE

Adonai:

And more worse is that they based their translation (the NWT) on a greek text version from Wescott and Hort, the most controversed greek text of them all, according to exegetes.

536

LET'S MAKE A LITTLE WAGER

by You Know in

jw
friends

perhaps you recall the instance in the bible where samson made a wager with the philistines that they couldnt guess his riddle.

as it turned out they wheedled the answer out of him by his fiancee, but the point is that they had a wager.

since the underlying assumption of the apostasy is that we are not living in the last days of this system of things, and that this world is not facing anything remotely like the biblical apocalypse, at least not any time soon, in the spirit of such antagonism, i would like to propose a similar wager.

607BCisAbigLIE

YouKnow:

You are a big waste of time for everyone. I wonder how can people continue to even listen to you. Maybe they are so tolerant about you, that they would want to make you come back into reality, my friend, cause you're going well deep into wickedness, to a point of no return maybe. But even with such kindess from all the posters, including me, you still continue to spill your poison onto us. Sorry for that post man but you have to awake yourself back into reality. That was my last post concerning you, YouKnow, and I will not even read your response to this one. If you ever notice it, cause you seem to avoid intelligent calls for sanity here.

5

Who is babylon the great?

by 607BCisAbigLIE in

there is a site which anyone should visit it can be very interesting.. in that site you'll find information on history related to the book of revelation.

you'll notice that there is an interpretation that much suits to the people of the early christian times, than to the people of our time.

the logic is that when john wrote the apocalypse book, it had to be understood by the people of his time, with terms and symbolics that the early christians and others (like historians) would understand.

607BCisAbigLIE

"The seven heads are therefore oftentimes understood as seven emperors. One of these emperors is Nero (whose number is 666 [or, according to some manuscripts, 616])." (taken from http://folk.uio.no/otton/BabGreat.html)

The 616 seems to me to be an error in those manuscrit (although I obviously don't have them). See, maybe it was writen in Roman numbers. So the middle number is 1=X. But maybe the writer has made a mistake and we should have LX instead (it happens sometimes with manuscript).

But I can have it all wrong.