Posts by 607BCisAbigLIE

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IS THE WATCHTOWER A FALSE PROPHET?

by You Know in

when jesus was on earth the devil approached him quoting scripture in order to tempt and entrap him.

it is no wonder then that the apostate angel would be behind the effort to use the scriptures against jehovahs people today in order to mislead them.

one of the most cunning and effective uses of scripture against us by satans agents is the charge that we are false prophets.

607BCisAbigLIE

Utopian:

If the understanding cannot be confirmed, it is not an understanding, it is an assertion. Is not faith "assured" hope in the things "expected", but not seen?

You're right on it. I also think that the only mesurement of salvation should be the faith and only the faith. That's the only thing that makes you really work for God, like contributing to humanitarian help (other than just "religious"), saving a life (not the eternal, as only Jesus/God can save it), or studying His word in its historical context (like understanding the word they used in the Bible that they understood at the times of the writers, and not trying to interpret those words (like Babylon the Great, an expression we should interpret in the context of the apostle John) as if they were said in our time.). The work a JW have to do is beyond what is asked in the Bible, and the gospel they preach is very far from the original.

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IS THE WATCHTOWER A FALSE PROPHET?

by You Know in

when jesus was on earth the devil approached him quoting scripture in order to tempt and entrap him.

it is no wonder then that the apostate angel would be behind the effort to use the scriptures against jehovahs people today in order to mislead them.

one of the most cunning and effective uses of scripture against us by satans agents is the charge that we are false prophets.

607BCisAbigLIE

YoYoMA:

Well, go on, because it does not. You just repeat dates like a robot. 1881, 1914, 1918, etc... The brothers were not predicting, but trying to understand Bible chronology and prophesy. They were not telling the reader what to believe, but to come to their own conclusions on the scriptures.

Again, you'r wrong. They could have DFd someone just to critisize those "new lights". On sites made by ex-JWs (and don't say they're apostates, some have been there longer than you, and sometime on priviligiated positions), we have access to archived WTs, Awake, and other WT publications that say otherwise. Go and see for yourself (I'm not here to direct you on a particular web site just type "jehovah" in your search engine and go explore).

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IS THE WATCHTOWER A FALSE PROPHET?

by You Know in

when jesus was on earth the devil approached him quoting scripture in order to tempt and entrap him.

it is no wonder then that the apostate angel would be behind the effort to use the scriptures against jehovahs people today in order to mislead them.

one of the most cunning and effective uses of scripture against us by satans agents is the charge that we are false prophets.

607BCisAbigLIE

YoYoma:

They're not many, many. You can count them with the fingers of your hand. In the other hand, how many Bible truths have the Witnesses brought attention to? That's the significant number.

Not so many Bible truth, as I have seen on ex-JW personal pages

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Hi to all the Girl's and Boy's

by Nute in

jw
friends

officially been out of the organization since 1990 .... i have e-mailed some of you already .... a very nice group of individuals i must say.

what does borg mean?

i did rattle some cages with the last post by silientlamb, but i guess that's what it is all about listening to both the good and the bad.

607BCisAbigLIE

Hi Nute:

A more precise definition of Borg: some make the comparison of the WT as to the Borg, a Star Trek The Second Generation specie. That specie, if you watch Star Strek, is one made of human combined with technology, as cyBorgs. The Borg is a collective in which all the members are going along for the same purpose: assimilate the other species of the Universe. When one becomes a member of the Borg collective, his culture, realizations, and all his individuality are assimilated into the collective. In Borg, individual thinking is irrelevant, death is irrelevant, personnality is irrelevant, resistance is irrelevant, just like the WT organization. So it is why some of the people that post on this board refer to the Borg collective in Star Trek when speaking about the WTBTS. And that is relevant !!

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IS THE WATCHTOWER A FALSE PROPHET?

by You Know in

when jesus was on earth the devil approached him quoting scripture in order to tempt and entrap him.

it is no wonder then that the apostate angel would be behind the effort to use the scriptures against jehovahs people today in order to mislead them.

one of the most cunning and effective uses of scripture against us by satans agents is the charge that we are false prophets.

607BCisAbigLIE

LOL jayhawk

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IS THE WATCHTOWER A FALSE PROPHET?

by You Know in

when jesus was on earth the devil approached him quoting scripture in order to tempt and entrap him.

it is no wonder then that the apostate angel would be behind the effort to use the scriptures against jehovahs people today in order to mislead them.

one of the most cunning and effective uses of scripture against us by satans agents is the charge that we are false prophets.

607BCisAbigLIE

quote from YK:

I often ignore posts because they are stupid. That was the case in your post. But since you insist on my addressing your fooloshness, I will. You didn't disprove anything. The verse you quoted said that a rumor "WENT OUT AMONG THE BROTHERS." All the apostles were with Jesus on the beach, so they spread that rumor among the growing congregations of brothers, apparently over a period of many decades, until John set the misunderstanding straight about 60 years later when, as the last surviving apostle, he wrote his gospel. You countered and said there was no proof that it was spread publicly. The Scripture clearly says otherwise. It is, of course, typical of apostates to make nonsensical boasts about disproving this and proving that, but simply reasoning on the verse in question, with an undiseased mind, belies your ridiculous claims. / You Know

You should read all the post, YouKnow. You are missing something much valuable. You could see that the WT own teachings can be used against them, like being broke down by their own weapons. By their own teachings, they betray themselve. We don't even need the scripture to do that. Their teachings, as it has been proved, don't go along a deep study of the Biblical context, historical context, the terms used in the Bible according to the context of the Biblical times, and so on. The Bible goes along with historical context, the terms used in it goes along with the understanding of the people of the 1st century, but the WT teachings try to reinterpret the Bible as if it were written only for our time. So they reinterpret how terms should be employed, how we should worship God, what is the gospel to be preached (they have pretty gone very far from the original Gospel, from which was at the 1st century the death and resurection of Christ and the faith into His sacrifice, to the one they preach today that is the coming of the Kingdom of God and the destruction of the world we live in.), in short they claim to be the only true faith, the only true organization, the only "discreet and faithfull servant" appointed by God, and they have claimed so much (and still doing it) that they speak by God's mouth. Every intelligent person who have took the time to study carefully about the JWs knows that they are a false prophet by their own teachings, according to scriptures, and history and archeologic researches. The very faithfull Christians would recognize those who are false teachers or prophets. The true Christians have found the WT and all the other sectarians cults to be guilty of being false prophets. That have been demonstrated long enough that it needs no further comments. The WTBTS GB's a false prophet, by all means. Period.

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IS THE WATCHTOWER A FALSE PROPHET?

by You Know in

when jesus was on earth the devil approached him quoting scripture in order to tempt and entrap him.

it is no wonder then that the apostate angel would be behind the effort to use the scriptures against jehovahs people today in order to mislead them.

one of the most cunning and effective uses of scripture against us by satans agents is the charge that we are false prophets.

607BCisAbigLIE

Joelbear, I think we already have the answer:

Changing the meaning of the 1914 generation!! LOL

In doing so, the WT retired itself from their responsibility of the almost 1 century long false teaching of the 1914 generation, which said that the ones who were aware of the events that happened since 1914 would be alive when Armagedon arrives. So in 1995, they have subtily change that teaching, replacing the 1914 generation by "it will come very soon" or something like that. Their teaching of the 1914 generation has come to its end because the people of that generation are almost all dead now, shortening the time before Armagedon. So to cover that false teaching, they had to do something. But in doing so they deceived more JWs. And they have come with something that really shows their inconsistencies about their Bible misinterpretations.

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IS THE WATCHTOWER A FALSE PROPHET?

by You Know in

when jesus was on earth the devil approached him quoting scripture in order to tempt and entrap him.

it is no wonder then that the apostate angel would be behind the effort to use the scriptures against jehovahs people today in order to mislead them.

one of the most cunning and effective uses of scripture against us by satans agents is the charge that we are false prophets.

607BCisAbigLIE

YouKnow wrote:

If his words didn’t come true than that meant that Jehovah didn’t speak them. That criteria can no longer hold true in the Christian era for the simple fact that God speaks to no one. And so any claimant of divine inspiration is automatically disqualified. The words of God as recorded in the Bible are the sole basis for our message and they cannot and will not fail

YouKnow, think carefully about this one: "If his words didn’t come true than that meant that Jehovah didn’t speak them". Yes, it is surely the case, how can we refute that one? But the next sentence tells about your knowledge of God's Word, which oubviously you din't really studied. Here again you have it all wrong. How can someone say that if someone is lying deliberately about God's Word he is still
considered a true prophet? Non-sense! I agree that in our days we can hardly tell if God is speaking to people or not. It is by a twist on word that the WT do not claim to get the message directly from God Himself, but they do claim to speak in God's name. That's pretty much the same thing just reformulated otherwise. LIARS are still not counted for true prophets of God in the New Testament. Otherwise, we would as well think that God is a liar too, which is impossible. It has been proven that the WT has told lies, and is still telling lies today (i.e. the ONG and UN affair). How can they be counted as true prophets of God, when God hates liars? Never!

In the Bible Peter denied that he even knew Jesus. That was of course a grievous sin that he deeply regretted. But, did that make him a false prophet?

Of course not, but he never stated that he was speaking in the word of God when he denied to have ever known Jesus. And more, he faithfully repented himself in such doing. He have been apologized. But he never spoke by the word of God when he said that he din't know Jesus. He was only protecting his own life, and the life of the other apostles.

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IS THE WATCHTOWER A FALSE PROPHET?

by You Know in

when jesus was on earth the devil approached him quoting scripture in order to tempt and entrap him.

it is no wonder then that the apostate angel would be behind the effort to use the scriptures against jehovahs people today in order to mislead them.

one of the most cunning and effective uses of scripture against us by satans agents is the charge that we are false prophets.

607BCisAbigLIE

BTW, just not to be out of topic, yes I believe that the WT is a false prophet, cause everything the WT predicted has come to be false. And for the other part of being a prophet (true channel of God), a true prophet will ALWAYS speak according to God's Word, the Bible, and not according to a hypotetic channel (oh, BTW, is this what we call "channeling", considered by the WT as a esoteric way of spirits speaking through a man body?) between man and God. The WT, and more specificaly the GB, claims itself to be the channel of God. Yes I concede that they can do mistakes; however, it is really blasphemous when those mistakes are done under God's name. Giving false predictions, as it is well known now that they have done it in the past and continuing to this day, and thus saying that when there's a change in prophecy (and we all know that God's word never change) they have claimed to be the truth coming from God, to be "new light", that shows that the WT is a false prophet.

So YouKnow, i'm challenging you to provide us proof that the WT has made once in its relatively short life a single prediction that has come true, without any doubt. And don't talk to me about that 1914 crap, I already know the truth behind this.

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IS THE WATCHTOWER A FALSE PROPHET?

by You Know in

when jesus was on earth the devil approached him quoting scripture in order to tempt and entrap him.

it is no wonder then that the apostate angel would be behind the effort to use the scriptures against jehovahs people today in order to mislead them.

one of the most cunning and effective uses of scripture against us by satans agents is the charge that we are false prophets.

607BCisAbigLIE

YouKnow,
Please, please....for 2002, could you kindly flush your posts and give us a break for the year.
Take a holiday, take a break, take whatever, but pleeeaaaaaaase!!!!

What a relief it should be!!! It only makes about 1 week that I post message on this DB and I already find YK a little annoying for those who want to heal from that Org. But sometimes it is fun to read his post, but after 5 min I'm already done, at least he should be a little less "enthousiastic" to call us apostates (that doesn't bother me, it's just that he refuse to look himself in the mirror). YK has no authority in such doing. Of course, YK has the right to post any idea he may have about the Bible, God, Jesus Christ or whatever, like as we do, even if we are not agreeing with his thoughs, but he could do it on a more polite way. For one who refuse to get critized on what he thinks, he have pretty much did it himself on others.

This is not what you say YouKnow, that is disturbing. It is the way you actually say it. Period.