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Now that's an injury a man can be proud of!

by Elsewhere in

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*** grunt *** *** grunt *** *** grunt ***.

as some of you already know, satan pushed me down the stairs the other night and broke my ankle.

i'm proud to say that the bruises appear to have come to full maturity and are looking very manly.

kitties_and_horses_oh_my!

are you a male or a female?

From the pix he's obviously a hobbit.

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Could some-one please explain American football to me!

by Zep in

i get all that stuff about downs and 10yards, and about kicking the ball through the goals and all.

but, having never played gridiron/american football, there is one thing i just dont get everytime i watch the bleedin' game.

i have played australian football(aussie rules) and rugby league.

Sorry Zep, I have no clue. I've watched football games - rather unwillingly at times, and one of the reasons I married doc was b/c he doesn't watch football (seriously) - and it makes no sense to me. Really, none at all. If your kid behaved this way, you'd have a fit, and yet we pay huge men tons of money to tackle each other for really no apparent reason. Hmm. Of course, I do like to watch hockey, which I do suppose rather makes me a hypocrite, doesn't it? But hey, the men in hockey are *so* much more attractive:

Juraj Gracik

Kitties (of the "well fine, now you know why I go to hockey games!" class)

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Lawyer Is Guilty of Aiding Terror (Women, When Are We Going to Wake Up??)

by kitties_and_horses_oh_my! in

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/11/nyregion/11stewart.html?8br

lynne f. stewart, an outspoken lawyer known for representing a long list of unpopular defendants, was convicted yesterday by a federal jury in manhattan of aiding islamic terrorism by smuggling messages out of jail from a terrorist client.

in a startlingly sweeping verdict, ms. stewart was convicted on all five counts of providing material aid to terrorism and of lying to the government when she pledged to obey federal rules that barred her client, sheik omar abdel rahman, from communicating with his followers.

kitties_and_horses_oh_my!

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/11/nyregion/11stewart.html?8br

Lynne F. Stewart, an outspoken lawyer known for representing a long list of unpopular defendants, was convicted yesterday by a federal jury in Manhattan of aiding Islamic terrorism by smuggling messages out of jail from a terrorist client.
In a startlingly sweeping verdict, Ms. Stewart was convicted on all five counts of providing material aid to terrorism and of lying to the government when she pledged to obey federal rules that barred her client, Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, from communicating with his followers. Her co-defendants, Ahmed Abdel Sattar and Mohamed Yousry, were also convicted of all the charges against them.

This just makes me sad. She completely broke the law - obviously, no doubt about it, and she even appeared to really flaunt the law when she actually read a statement from her client to the media. It was actually really stupid, too, b/c the statement she read said that her client was withdrawing support for a cease-fire. I mean, come on, was she daft? This totally violates the Social Workers Code of Ethics (okay, she wasn't a social worker per se, but that's my frame of reference, and I think a LAWYER should be even more aware of these things than a social worker).

And yet, my heart goes out to her...maybe just cause she's crying in her photo? Stupid reason, esp. considering all the problems that could have been caused by her behavior - a lot of people crying for dead relatives, for example, if this man's comments had inspired more violence. The fact that they apparently didn't is really beside the point, kind of like pointing a gun at someone - pulling the trigger - and the gun sticks. You still tried.

I guess I just see too many woman (and yes, sorry women, we seem to be the ones that are this stupid!) get duped by men with ulterior motives. There was an article - I think in - Cosmo (sigh, okay, I read it, can we move on?) about women in prison in some Central or South American country b/c they find a man who convinces them they are the love of his life and then they agree to run drugs for him. Okay, so, a 2-part question:

1 - What do you think of the sentence this lawyer got?

2 - Why are we so stupid?? When will we stop believing men who say they love us and yet obviously do not have our best interests at heart?

Kitties (of the "come on women, we are so better than this!" class)

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View of People with Disabilities...

by rwagoner in

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ok friends.....multi part question for you..... 1) what do you think is the view of the jw organization toward people with disabilities ?.

2) what are your personal views ?

(pwd as workers, parents, objects of affection, intimate partners).

kitties_and_horses_oh_my!

I have M.S. and there was a time that I had to walk with a cane. This was very hard for me to accept; I was probably 20 at the time. First of all, doc was amazing; I always felt terrible, how embarassing it must be to have a wife with a cane, but he never even blinked. The people in the world were wonderful, too. People never treated me poorly b/c of my illness/disability. One day I was at home (as usual, pretty much housebound at the time) and I got an unexpected gift in the mail. A dear friend, who lived across the country, had hand-painted a bamboo cane for me. It was gorgeous and, even though I haven't had to use it for years, is a prized possession. Her kindness touches me to this day, and I am also exceedingly happy that she found her way out of the dubs at about the same time as doc and me.

The odd thing is that the dubs were not very nice about the whole thing. I really didn't know quite how to take it. I mean, when I first was diagnosed, one of my dub sisters-in-law said "you can't have M.S.; that a serious illness." I mean, I know she was probably a little unhinged by it - I certainly was - but it just was such an odd response. I had to get used to that though. Everyone at the Kingdom Hall seemed to want to tell me about their cousin/uncle/brother''s son's best friend who had MS and was now either in a wheelchair/in a nursing home/incontinent/divorced/and or dead. I mean, I was never angry at them - perhaps they didn't know what to say - but I never had a worldly person say such a thing, and the whole concept of telling someone how bad life would end up for them was just mystifying to me.

It reminded me of when I was dating doc and the number of people who would come and tell me how badly it was bound to work out, considering their assorted friends and/or family members whose marriages had failed. I remember going to a get-together right after we'd gotten engaged and a friend told me - and not privately, but while we were all sitting in a circle of some sort - that I shouldn't get too excited b/c my marriage would probably fail, her daughter's had and so had hers and I had better just get used to the idea.

The other reaction I experienced from witnesses was that maybe I was faking it. I mean, no one ever said as much, but I just got this impression that they thought if I tried harder I could somehow make my vision return to normal and I wouldn't have any more problems walking. I had fallen in public (numerous times)and been unable to stand up again, I had ended up almost driving off the road b/c my vision had gone so blurry and I was even on disability from the gvmnt (which anyone who's applied for that knows it's not easy to get) and yet somehow they thought this was a game I was playing? I don't know, I just never got it.

Oh, and then my friend who said "I wish I had M.S. so I could stay at home in bed all day!" Well, hey, anybody who wants my MS is welcome to it! I have a life to live and really no time for it anyway. I'm in remission now (thankfully) but I'm glad to know that when/if it comes back at least the people in my life now are supportive.

Kitties

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DA-ing Announcement in the Society's New Book

by Mark in

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the society's new book 'organized to do jehovah's will', to be released in the congregations .

on the 20th of march, introduces a change in the df and da announcements.

announcements will read the same: "[name of person] is no longer one of jehovah's .

kitties_and_horses_oh_my!

While not unexpected, this is disturbing. I wonder if a new wave of DA'ings will arrive with the book. So far doc and I haven't been officially DA/DF'd, although from the way we are completely shunned by dubs we might as well have been.

Kitties

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to all parents..please please answer...

by gotcha in

hello it's been a long time since i was here just needed some input please from all loving parents...would you rather your daughter be:

1. married to a guy who's not really that great (history of having lotsa women, irresponsible) but seems to love/like your daughter.

2. be gay (with woman who is quite good, responsible and everything but - a woman...).

kitties_and_horses_oh_my!

Dear gotcha,

We're worried, there's no way we're not going to be. Suicide is a big issue with a lot of us here for similar reasons to what you're going through - maybe not that particular issue, but the guilt of doing what we feel is unforgivable. On my worst days, I just try so hard to remember that the next day could be better. That five years down the road this issue will be sorted out, at least much more so than it is now. I know these might sound like trite answers, or rather cliche, but I've been hospitalized 2x for suicide attempts - one was major, I almost died - so I have been there, I really do understand to some extent.

Hugs, Kitties

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Memories of my judicial committee meeting....

by kitties_and_horses_oh_my! in

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you know, i was reading one of the posts about how dubs rat each other out - and good god, i was excellent at that, i even frickin ratted myself out, sad really!

it brought to mind my judicial committee meeting: .

i'd been employed in a job that required skip-tracing.

kitties_and_horses_oh_my!

My judicial meeting years ago made me think the brothers wanted to film a porno. They asked explicit details. I asked isn't it sufficient to say we had sex. They then wanted to know who went down on who, for how long, who came first, what positions and where. Well... I bet they all learned a few things!!!

What is the deal with that?? It's just really sick. Most of my friends who got married around the same time as Doc and I did went "too far" before their wedding night. So then you have this divide: the half of us who went too far and were smart enough/scared enough/or just not good enough dubs to say anything, and then the other half who felt like they had to confess and had the pleasure of giving every little detail to the elders. It's disgusting. Can you imagine if two teachers pulled an 17-yr old girl alone into a room and demanded details re: her sex life? I think the term applied would be either perverted or arrested - dirty old men at the very least. Yuck.

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This dog would keep anyone away!

by wordlywife in

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new breed at westminster this year.. i especially like the part about the wipes and the ceiling.. .

http://www.azcentral.com/ent/pop/articles/0209uglydogshow09.html.

kitties_and_horses_oh_my!

He's so cute!! I want one!! Of course, he'd probably eat my cats...

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Memories of my judicial committee meeting....

by kitties_and_horses_oh_my! in

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you know, i was reading one of the posts about how dubs rat each other out - and good god, i was excellent at that, i even frickin ratted myself out, sad really!

it brought to mind my judicial committee meeting: .

i'd been employed in a job that required skip-tracing.

kitties_and_horses_oh_my!

You know, I was reading one of the posts about how dubs rat each other out - and good god, I was excellent at that, I even frickin ratted myself out, sad really! It brought to mind my judicial committee meeting:

I'd been employed in a job that required skip-tracing. For those who don't know, skip-tracing is just that: tracing people who have "skipped" out on their financial obligations, in this case their car loans. So at times, under a lot of pressure to find the debtor, I'd call someone and make up a blatent lie to find out the info I needed. I came up with some good ones - well, some good ones and then some ones that were so stupid I can't believe anybody fell for them. Oh well, that was before caller ID was big and I was maybe 19 at the time.

Anyway, I go to the elders after a particulary bad lie and fall apart, crying, begging them to help me. We go in the back after meeting and of everything that happened, the only thing I remember was their endless repetition of the question: "Does anybody else know you lied?" Well...I knew what they were getting at, so I lied again (d'oh, going to hell now for sure!) and said no, the only person who'd heard me say what I said was the debtor and they didn't know it was a lie.

Funny how a) it's so much easier to tell the truth now that I'm not a Witness! b) how much more important it is for me now to live by the spirit, rather than the letter, of the law and c) how the only thing they cared about was "God's name."

I think they may have asked me once...no, never mind, they never asked me even once how I was coping or how I was going to cope with my job in the future or gave me encouragement for coming forward. Wow, I guess they didn't say one positive thing at all. Good for them! If they'd been nice maybe I wouldn't have been so easily swayed by the evil doc to leave their kind clutches!

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I was a victim of a Baptism Fascist! (were you?)

by slimboyfat in

when i was baptised it was in the kingdom hall pool; i was only a teenager.

i was baptised by an old elder from a nearby congregation, but next to the pool stood the baptism fascist .

people in the congregation said my baptism was not valid because of my little toe.

kitties_and_horses_oh_my!

Ah, it makes me day to witness the reunion of old friends! Well, ex-baptism fascists and their victims, but hey, who's counting?

Welcome slimboyfat and hey Little Toe, what an evil man you were!

Kitties

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