Posts by Abaddon

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Vegetarianism

by rezamichael in

why aren't witnesses vegetarians?

it's well known that adam and eve were vegetarian.

there was only ever a concession given by god to allow meat eating after the flood as there was no vegetation so it was forced and rather a temporary fix up rather than a new permanent diet.

Actually, you and press any are right; it's really interesting to see how this nasty little piece of work exemplifies the old adage about 'opinion reached by irrational means cannot be changed by rational argument'. I didn't go in with that as an intent; I simply thought he was an offencive little shit.

He lies about India's history and ignores it being pointed out. And despite being proven wrong his opinion does not change.

As he is incapable of dealing with the fact humans evolved as omnivores he tries to argue that humans are herbivores as they don't have characteristics of carnivores. And despite being proven wrong his opinion does not change.

His attempt at showing the superiority of vegetarians fails, as in addition to the geniuses he quoted there are also vegetarian monsters. And despite being proven wrong his opinion does not change.

When it's pointed out the end of the use of animals for food would lead to the reduction in population of those same animals by some 4 times the population of humans. 30 billion living being blotted out for his dietary consideration, he ignores it as he has no counter argument. And despite being proven wrong his opinion does not change.

He actually hasn;t given any tangible reason (other than some twat in a loin-cloth said so) that eating meat is wrong. And despite having no proof he's right his opinion does not change.

And this;

hey pudd u give vegetarians a bad name by cooking meat for the cunts that are meat eaters :D 8 people get bad karma from the death of one animal including the people who buy and cook meat :D i cant wait for u to get ur bad karma u fat ugly slut :D and meat tastes good :D but i dont eat it in spite of that :D u see people who give up meat cuz it tastes bad are then cook it for others are worse than meat eaters...wishing u a horrible death :D bye bye and pak or is it paki......either way u smell......haha and i dont spend more than 5mins writing my replies as im not as pathetic as abadon and i have a life :D and i have friends so i dont have to kiss ass like u " oohh abadon ur replies are so cool ooh will u be my boyfriend i think im in love" I THOUGHT MEAT EATERS WERE BAD BUT FAGS LIKE U MAKE THEM LOOK SAINTS :D

I addition to his generalised self-rightous hate to wards humans doing what humans are meant to do naturally, he is a racist homophobe. The sheer idiocy of a person following an Eastern religion using 'Paki' as an insult! He can probably only spend 5 minutes on his replies as his attention span isn't capable more (or the warders only give him 5 minutes a day), and his hate filled bile increases when others get the attention he so obviously craves and was expecting in posting here. He condemns millions to hell and then gets all sniffy at being insulted! Rather than impressing people he has made himself a laughing stock.

Given his hate toward his fellowman, rez will be reincarnated as a syphilitic dog's bowel movement. But of course, the fact hating humans and wishing for their deaths is (to even a child) a far worse thing than eating a rabbit will completely go over his flat little head as it's too far up his own bottom to ever be reached by anyone short of a proctologist who was an enthusiastic speleologist in his spare time.

ROLL UP ROLL UP ROLL UP LADIES AND GENTLEMAN AND SEE WHAT KULTIC KRISHNA KONCIOUSNESS CAN DO TO YOU! SEE HOW BEING A HARE KRISHNA CAN TURN YOU INTO A SPITE FILLED MORON WITH NO LOVE FOR THEIR FELLOW MAN!

Oh reztard, I'm not angry, I'm LAUGHING at you.

Now be a good moron, and go dissuade the lions at Whipsnade from their evil carnivore diet. I suggest entering their compound and going up to the biggest one so you can tell him how good you are and how bad he is.

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Children who claim to remember past life

by frankiespeakin in

the university of virginia has a unit in the department of psychiatirc medicine that investigates these claims.

here is a link to this unit:http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/personalitystudies/.

and here is a partial clip:.

Abaddon

Narkissos

I have basically the same problem with this discussion as in a debate about the existence of God. The main issue is not the data (in this case, what children may say, under which circumstances) but its interpretation and the mental constructs this interpretation resorts to and aims at.

I love the way you put this.

Frankie

I think we can agree that no-one's proved this, but there is interesting anecdotal evidence. Like there was with acupuncture - but then that got proved to any reasonable level of scientific satisfaction. It took thousands of years, but then it's not something that has always or universally been practised. Homoeopathic medicine is still to satisfy a reasonable level of proof, but all the signs are it will.

Whether this thing you're discussing will follow acupuncture in to provability remains to be seen but there's at least one major logical problem - it's unlikely this is a new thing (if it is real). Why then hasn't it been satisfactorily documented on numerous occasions. It's also unlikely to be a geographically limited phenomenon. And pretty unlikely to be a cultural or religiously unique thing (if it is real) - unless there are many god and each set of believers have a different afterlife (or as Pratchett amusingly speculates, people get the afterlife they expect). If it is real, it's rather unlikely to STILL defy a reasonable standard of proof as it is probably been happening a VERY long time (if not as long as since humans were humans) wherever humans were in all cultures no matter what they believed.

It's like mind powers; unless they are an emergent characteristic not universally expressed in the population that hasn't had sufficient time to spread through the population or is not a trait that increases fitness (as measured by numbers of descendent's), mind powers have been around long enough all over the place to make lack of proof suspicious.

I have to admit I would LOVE mind powers to be true, as I would love reincarnation to be true. My fiancé has clear recollections of having met me in a previous life. I have a memory of a few seconds that seems to be real (not a dream memory, too many details) but would have been impossible for me to experience as it would have been hundreds of years ago. I can 'heal' my fiancé by 'laying on hands' on small injuries or hurts, at least to the extent of reducing or preventing swelling and reducing the level of pain experienced. I've done it to another person once - but I was doing it to see if I could make her feel better not because I think I have special power. Although that would be cool.

Despite all this the fat lady still has to sing. Bad science (even if well intentioned) is one explanation for people finding this credible when they read seemingly impressive accounts. I wonder if Randi has looked at claims like this. There's classic examples of paranormal investigators getting great results, but the methodology will turn out to be flawed. They miss things, or fail to exclude un-paranormal explanations or 'contamination' of result. Memories aren't necessarily real, and fabricated (as in unconsciously fabricating a memory) memories often follow archetypes. Little girls saying they chose mummies tummy could have seen this idea on TV or heard it in a story - I've heard actually it on TV before as a sweet explanation given to a little child of how they got in mummies tummy ('you were in heaven and came down to be born and chose me to be your mummy').

And 'healing'; well we already know how powerful psychosomatic factors are in healing - even to the extent of injuries healing faster and pain lessening. My fiancé believes in me; the friend I did it to before is, shall we say, a little suggestible. If you think you're gonna feel better, you often do.

I've tried to OOBE, but would need to set a camera up at the target and have someone DO something at the target to be able to determine if what I 'see' when I try to OOBE is real. I can fly over places I know and see details and people and cars moving below, starting from where I am, and eventually my concentration will go and I lose the thread; but my imagination is easily good enough to make it all up. I can play entire Beatles albums in my head - why isn't it equally possible to recreate a simulacrum in your head of places you know well and imagine flying over them.

I have an emotional involvement that makes me want such things to be real, but I'll not change my standards of proof because of that. Been there, done that, not doing it again.

All very interesting; rest assured 'if the fat lady sings' I'll be delighted. Until then I am sceptical saffron and curious orange.

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Vegetarianism

by rezamichael in

why aren't witnesses vegetarians?

it's well known that adam and eve were vegetarian.

there was only ever a concession given by god to allow meat eating after the flood as there was no vegetation so it was forced and rather a temporary fix up rather than a new permanent diet.

Abaddon

ascot

Glad the reading is going ok... funnily enough I'm taking that Dawkins with me on holiday to re-read, although they'll be a bag of other books too... mmmm... three weeks, sun, sand, the other s, French food and wine and doing as little as humanly possible apart from reading loads and lounging in the water when it gets too hot.

And, er yes, you're quite right... although in this instance it's not really posting for lurkers as I doubt (m)any will be remotely interested in our little veggie-facist friend. Unlike some of the Creationist stuff it's not exactly clever argumentation on his part (however big his part is, LOL). With him it's a form of reducto ad absurdo (as in reducing something absurd to its base elements, lol) as I think veggie-facists are a bit silly; they DO, if you follow through their arguments, come over as very animal unfriendly, let alone their antipathy towards their fellow man who eats meat. It's also a species of fun for me....

Like I say, I don't "mind" if someone's a veggie or whatever. Why should I? More dead cow for me I think.... it's the ignorance lies and distortion of those who try and make it look like it is 'natural' and in 'harmony with the ickle animals' to be veggie, and 'bad', deserving of punishment or unatural to eat meat that I find sad, twisted, funny and worthy of ridicule. I also like spirited debate, as you figured out long ago.

I guess me being a sarcatic bastard with a potty mouth fools some people into thinking I'm angry. I don't do angry very often and when I do there's not much doubt about whether I am or not. I actually am laughing most of the time I respond to twaddle like this.

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Vegetarianism

by rezamichael in

why aren't witnesses vegetarians?

it's well known that adam and eve were vegetarian.

there was only ever a concession given by god to allow meat eating after the flood as there was no vegetation so it was forced and rather a temporary fix up rather than a new permanent diet.

Abaddon

rez

God! i really got to you didnt i?

LOL. In your dreams you sad little carrot-cruncher. I just think you're absurd - that's hardly getting to me is it?

u throw in a couple of big words and u think ur the dogs bollox ;)

I think the question really is who do you think you are?

there is action and reaction in this world mate ;)

I quiver before your profundity

and for every bad action there has to be a bad reaction ;)

And what about YOUR bad actions? You've casually condemned millions to hell. BAD Karma man. In comparison the 'sin' of enjoying seared dead pig in its own skin is a minor one.

now listen here and carry on copying and pasting as u do......
MILLIONS OF ANIMALS BEING SLAUGHTERED EVERYDAY CREATES ENOUGH BAD KARMA FOR ALL THE RAPES AND MURDERS AND TORTURES U SEE HAPPENING EACH DAY..........

Why? Just because you say 'animals dying is bad' doesn't mean it is bad. Where are you when the hawk eats the dove? The spider the fly? The wolf the deer? Where are you when a pack of Cape Hunting Dogs pull down a gnu and start eating before it's fully dead? When a fox goes on a killing spree in a coop? Sat on your sad hypocritical bottom judging your fellow man for doing what it is natural for omnivores to do.

the holiest man to step foot on this earth srila prabhupada said that if the world turned vegetarian tomorrow the 90% of bad karma would be wiped out and the world would almost be at peace.....

And why is that MORE true than 'a rack of lamb well cooked and seasoned is a delight to the palate'?

also eating meat causes aggresion....

LOL. Yes, there was a sad old man in England who spent most of his life trudging up and down London's biggest shopping street with a sandwich board proclaiming ALL meat and most other forms of protein were wrong and caused lust and cancer. If you're on the Hare patrol on Oxford Street you may well have seen him. Had even less converts as the Hares do. Of course, he didn;t have an internal power struggle which showed very clearly how flawed and wrong Krishna-ism is - making it just like every other religion. I think he died of cancer, now I come to think about it. Go figure; at least there''s an open vacancy for a street-corner nut-job you can fill.

now let me see? which is the only major country in the world to never have gone to war? hmmm india oooooh i wonder why.....vegetarian.......they cant kill animals so they wouldnt kill men......peaceful...

You lie or are so unbelievably ignorant as to defy belief. India has both been to war and had internal wars, even before the colonial era. Your little fantasy is built on bullshit or deceit. You have chip on your shoulder about 'big words' and 'good education'. As you know naif-all about something you're preaching about I'm not surprised you feel inadequate. You show why education is a good thing; even for you.

and if ur ignorant as to ignore the oldest nation on earth

No it isn't, and you already shown you know nothing about it. Oh, any comment on how suttee, child-brides, arranged marriages or the caste system somehow fit in with your simplistic vegetarian = good viewpoint?

then feed on these quotes from 2 famous vegetarians: "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet" - ALBERT EINSTEIN
"I have from an early age abjured the use of meat, and the time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look upon the murder of men." - LEONARDO DA VINCI
............SO SUCK ON THAT ****HEAD hehe......

What about this quote from a famous vegetarian;

"Let's kill all the Jews" - ADOLF HITLER

So geniuses and mass-murdering fascist monsters can be veggies. Way to go at not proving a point.

also ur showing ur own ignorance when u think vegetarianism is inferior.....lets see again....the 3 oldest living tribes in the world...all live over 100 years old on average and all are vegetarian.....

As you've either lied or demonstrated a stellar level of ignorance about something you are preaching about, please provide quotations

hmm the biggest meat eating people in the world INUITS and oh they live an average life expectancy of 40 years old.....

And? What about the fact it is rising rapidly due to modern medicine even in communities that retain traditional diet? Which shows it's not the diet... and who said ANYTHING about humans being carnivores? A carnivore diet for a human is as unbalanced as a vegetarian one. We evolved for an omnivorous diet.

but no humans are omivores yes ur very right cuz the human body sustains itself 30 years longer with a vegetarian diet but no ur right we were meant to eat meat! BULLCRAP.....even the scandavians life expectancy went up during the war when meat was unavailable for years AND WENT BACK DOWN WHEN MEAT WAS AVAILABEL AGAIN AFTER THE WAR.....oh the oldest living person in the world.....was a vegetarian hehe i hope ur enjoying this? WE CAN DIGEST CARDBOARD DOES THAT MEAN WE SHOULD EAT CARDBOARD? HUH HUH HUH? LOL just cuz weve evolved to eat meat doesnt mean we are designed to and should?! now lets see
1. a carnivore has claws a herbivore doesnt WE DONT

Dentition; omnivorous. We didn't ever evolve claws for hunting as we invented weapons. Chimps don't have claws but are happy omnivores.

2. a carniviore has no pores in skin a herbivore does WE DO

You're really telling me you think carnivores don't have apocrine glands or eccrine glands? And where did I say humans were carnivore; please try to actually respond to what I've said rather than attacking some fictitious argument I never made.

3.a carnivore has sharp pointed front teeth a herbivore doesnt WE DONT

No, we have sharp incisors for cutting, pointed canines for tearing, and molars for crushing and grinding. Our teeth allow us to eat virtually anything, from steak to strawberries, with ease.

4. a carnivore has small salivary gland a herbivore has well developed salivary glands SO DO WE. 5. a carnivore has acid saliva a herbivore has alkaline saliva SO DO WE 6. a carnivore has strong HCL acid in its stmoach a herbivore has 20 times less the strength SO DO WE 7. a carnivore has an intestinal tract 3 times the length of its body a herbivore has an intestinal tract several times its body length SO DO WE 8. a carnivore laps up water a herbivore suck water SO DO WE

But humans aren't carnivores; they're omnivores. Are you simple or something? I've not said we're herbivores or carnivores. I've said we're omnivores. Why the herbivore/carnivore comparisons?

9. a carnivore salivates at the site of a blood dead carvas sticks its nose in and eat raw flesh HUMANS WOULD BE SICK AT THE SIGHT OF A DEAD BLOOD CARCASS........

You maybe. I love to go to the butcher. It smells great. Dead hunks of animal hanging everywhere, really makes me salivate.

10. 100% of carnivores or omnivors if ur being picky can kill prey (natural predators) LESS THAN 1% OF HUMANS HAVE IT IN THEM TO KILL AN ANIMAL AND THE FACT WE NEED KNIVES AND GUNS TO DO IT SHOWS ITS NOT FLIPPIN NATURAL AND WE WERENT DESIGNED TO KILL ANIMALS RATHER WE HAVE OPPOSEABLE THUMBS TO PICK APPLES FROM TREES!

LOL. So how come animals without opposable thumbs eat apples? What a knob head!

Humans WANTED to eat meat so much, LIKED to eat meat so much, they overcame their physiology with their big brains and made weapons. It's one of the first things modern humans and their ancestors did.

We liked eating meat so much that you can track extinctions of large land animals around the world as humans spread around the world. In prehistoric times, men hunted. We have physiological differences and psychological difference between men and women caused by Milena of hunting; men are stronger, their hip geometry will always mean they can. on average, run faster, their shoulder joint geometry means they'll always throw, on average, better and harder than a woman; their brains are more specialised in their perception of 3D so their aim is better too. Women have equally great adaptations for their typical role during the evolution of man. There's a strong school of thought that meat eating gave us a high-concentration of energy in food and thus gave us more time outside of sheer survival activities to allow cultural diversification.

have i made u look dumb enough yet?

Not really. You've made yourself look like an idiot by either trying to look knowledgeable about India, or lying outright about India when you claim it had never gone to war. LOL.

or do u want more? and ur stupid remark about humans having canine teeth HA! THATS LAUGHABLE U FOOL....why dont u compare a humans canines to ur pet dogs and see how they are half the length and not pointed or sharp they are just about good enough to pierce an apple....

But canine teeth aren't optimised for apple consumption; they're optimised for tearing meat. If we had herbivorous dentition we would have herbivore dentition; Prominent incisors separated from the cheek teeth by a long gap. We don't.

Our canine teeth are testament to our ancestry. Go look at a wildlife movie and see how chimps enjoy meat, enjoy hunting small game and then ripping it to shreds using their bare hands and their teeth. Of course, tools were far more effective than the biggest canines and thus really big canines haven't been favoured by natural selection for Milena, but we still have canines even if veggie-fascists like you would re-name them fruitines.

I'd like to see you tackle a steer and tear it apart with those ferocious incisors LOL.....

I'd use a spear or a gun. Or a supermarket. Isn't having a brain a wonderful thing? Would you know?

AND BTW GORILLAS HAVE CANINES TOO BUT DO THEY EAT MEAT? NO!

2% of their diet is insects, the males fight... and chimps are omnivores just like us with canine teeth just like us (except big ones are favoured by natural selection as chimps have no proper tools).

ONCE AGAIN FOOL! NOW CARRY ON COPYING AND PASTING IM ENJOYING MAKIN U LOOK STUPID!

You do realise the only copying and pasting is of your own turds, I mean words? And it is they that make you look like the crazy-carrot-cruncher you are. I have no problem with people being a vegetarian even if I think it is unnatural. But people like you damning others for eating meat I find detestable - especially when they turn out to be uninformed bundles of hypocritical spite like you.

and please please please dont stop eating meat! id like to see u die earlier have higher risks of cancer and heart disease poorer digestion and pay the price for all the bad karma ur pickin up!
AND HELL YEAH I WISH BAD THINGS TO HAPPEN TO MY FELLOW MAN AS MY FELLOW MAN ARE MOSTLY ******

See? What a scumbag you are.

AND I WILL GET MY KARMA FOR THINKIN THAT

But you excuse 'sin' in yourself and condemn it in others because you're a hypocrite.

AND IM NOR PERFECT BUT LEAST I HAVE A HEART TO SEE HOW WRONG AND CRUEL SLAUGHTERHOUSES ARE!

Why? Why is killing animals for meat wrong? You've still not given a decent reason why killing animals for food is wrong. You can quote Tripitaka all you like; I'll just quote Gordon Ramsey or NIgella Lawson or Jamie Oliver at you. They would seem to be just as likely to be right about eating meat as your little sage is about eating veggies.

Unnecessary suffering is certainly wrong. I pay twice as much for my chicken as I need to, as intensive chicken production is cruel. I pay a premium on the meat I buy as I want to eat animals that have lead a healthy happy life; and I've lived in the countryside so I know what I'm talking about.

A lamb's life might be short. But it is good. I've watched a field full of lambs outside my house, watched them be born, play, suckle, bask in the sun, and then disappear one day to turn up shrink-wrapped in Sainsbury's. The bad parts of their lives were all in the last half hour, more likely in the last minute. As a lamb is devoid of sufficient brain with which to comprehend this process and suffer from existential angst in the months leading up to it becoming food, I really don;t see the process as any badder than a fox eating a vole.

The transport to slaughter is normally unstressful; I drive past a queue of trucks full of bacon, I mean pigs, waiting for slaughter outside an abattoir on my way to work each day. They are not panicking, waving little placards saying "I comprehend I am and will shortly not be and protest at this!!" out of the slats of the vans, or acting in any strange way. And the final process is no more and probably considerably less painful and distressing to the animal than hunting, and over quick.

What veggie-fascists like you forget is that if everyone became vegetarian, all those fields full of animals in the countryside would be empty.

The billion sheep would be reduced to whatever number was needed for wool production - or is that wrong too?

The 1.3 billion cows would be reduced to a remnant as no one would want to keep them; or are you okay with lacto-veggie diets and if so why is this okay? Do you get permission from the cow?

Nine hundred million pigs would have no use what-so-ever

24 billion chickens would also be useless.

And the fields they live ion would be under the plough.

What you advocate is un-natural, and would also result in the eventual deaths of nearly 30 billion animals AND NO REPLACEMENT OF THEM as there would be commercial reason to keep them and the land the occupied would be needed for food production. Or do you think people would pay to keep the fields full of happy froliking animals, feeding them and keeping them healthy?

Funny how someone who is an 'animal lover' wants a world with 30 billion less animals in it. Your desires would result in multiple genocide. You favour a more lethal extinction event than has happened in millenia, one worse in scale (although not in diversity) than all the extinctions driven by primative man's expansion put together with modern man's excess. May 'god' save us, and cows, pigs, sheep, chickens etc. from animal 'lovers' like you.

UR JUST A COLD HEARTED FOOL WHO'S HAD A GOOD EDUCATION SO THINKS HE CAN PICK APART PEOPLES COMMENTS WITH HIS BIG WORDS........ur a nobody!

Yeah, well it's good to see the chip on your shoulder, come back when you have Clue - you can buy one in Ikea...

Just as you condemn meat-eaters, I'm sure there are Jains who would condemn you for not sweeping the floor in front of you as you walk, lest some poor ickle insect gets squashed. I hope you're very happy together.

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Vegetarianism

by rezamichael in

why aren't witnesses vegetarians?

it's well known that adam and eve were vegetarian.

there was only ever a concession given by god to allow meat eating after the flood as there was no vegetation so it was forced and rather a temporary fix up rather than a new permanent diet.

Abaddon

rezamichael

Why aren't Witnesses vegetarians?

Why should they be?

It's well known that Adam and Eve were vegetarian.

It is? You mean you think they were meant to be taken as historical characters?

There was only ever a concession given by God to allow meat eating after the flood as there was no vegetation so it was forced and rather a temporary fix up rather than a new permanent diet.

You don't actually believe that do you?

THINK about it.

Pairs of each unclean 'kind'. Seven of clean 'kinds'. Recall that 'kinds' are super-species, i.e., instead of a couple of dozen species of pigeon, you'd have the proto pigeon, instead of dozens of species of duck goose and swan you'd maybe have only one or two types of proto fowl.

Not many animals all told.

They come out the Ark and god says "Wey-hey, you'all can eat meat now!".

Now, you're telling me that you believe in a story that has god telling humans (and by implication animals) they can eat meat (as there's no vegetation yet) at a point in history when there were perhaps a dozen or so species humans could eat, represented by maybe 100 head of stock at the very most. Let's say three months until they can get a harvest of veggies in. Eight humans, 1kg of meat a day, 90 days, that's three-quarters of a tonnes of meat which is about two or three tonnes of live weight animal.

If we assume 75kg average weight for clean animals then that's 40 head of stock. Before the first harvest humans would have eaten most of the clean animals.

Maybe that's what evolutionists mean when they talk about an extinction event?

As for the 'new' predators; how many kinds did they wipe out before there was sufficient breeding going on to replace predated stock?

Do you seriously believe this fairy story? A child can see it just doesn't make sense.

Also in the new world after Armageddon we will all be vegetarian even the Lion will eat hay etc........

Yeah... errr... please explain how you know Biblical passages that speak of locusts wearing sulfurous breast-plates are METAPHORS and those speaking of lions lying down with lambs are LITERAL. Or do you just make it up and assume you're incapable of error?

so if we know it was in the begining to be vegetarian it will be in the end why do we continue to eat meat?

Because we stopped being vegetarian millions of years ago and no matter what we as individuals might think or feel, we are omnivores. Look in the mirror. Smile. See your teeth; omnivorous dentition; molars, incisors, CANINES. Then go look at a cow's teeth and explain why you want me to pervert my natural purpose by becoming a vegetarian. Sheeesh... it's not natural. Look at the panda. An omnivore in terms of dentition and digestion, a vegetarian by habit. They have to spend most of their lives eating as their food is so low in energy, and have the vigour of a wet towel. They need help breeding. What an advertisment for omnivoures becoming vegetarians!

Even passages say to kill an Ox is like to kill a Man! Another point...meat is full of blood which is the lifeforce why do we refuse human blood transfusions but on a daily basis eat hardened invisible blood in fillets and steaks? CONFUSED!!!!!!! HELP ME!!!!!

Of course you're confused. You are believing in stuff which, if you thought about it five minutes with a rational mind, you would realise are myths, not to be taken literally.

any man who butches animals deserves his time in hell

Butches animals? What, is that like dressing a cow in dungarees, giving her a flat-top, and putting her wallet on a long chain? Or making a female cat wear a leather jacket?

Oh... butchers.

Look, why not go save a starving baby before you self-righteously condemn people to hell for eating things it's perfectly natural to eat. By your own actions you show what you are.

.......what was that story i once heard about 2 men one slaughtered animals to please god and the other grew veg? and then god was pissed off with the nice guy who refused to kill animals? well that makes god out to be cruel in that case and it just shows the bible is rot.....

You seem to believe an awful lot of the rot.

btw i was a JW at one point and i used my intellect to realise its in the infancy of religion......in this world for every bad thing you do u will suffer at some point during ur life and if not after ur life in hell.....

See? You believe in shed loads of rot.

and there is a hell and its not the hades place of unconsciousness JWs think it is.....there are many hellish planets throughout the universes....u reincarnate into a hellish body to serve "temporary" time there to work ur bad karma and it is full of pain to equal out the sufering u caused other direcetly or indirectly and when i say indirectly i mean eating meat for example......

Thank god you are just a sad, deluded fantasist. Your dreams of universal judgement (which you obviously consider yourself safe from) are just the sick dreams of a vengeful, spiteful individual. You condemn billions to a hell that you've just made up for the 'crime' of eating meat.

If you're concerned about karma, what do you think your hypocrisy, vengeful judementalism and total lack of love for your fellow man stores up for YOU?

the pain caused to the animals for the meat that ends up in ur stomach comes back to u......but everyone would know meat eating is the biggest source of bad karma in the world if they only read the oldest most accurate holy book in the world THE VEDAS ...

Yeah, baby rape and war aren't bad. Eating chicken is. Absurd person you are.

the religion of the first people on earth way b4 adam and eve lol as adam and eve were the first people in the new yuga or age KALIYUGA.....

First religion? I suppose stone-age fertility cults don't count? And what makes you think the Vedas are not just the self-righteous people of that time declaring how good they are and how other people better be like them or else - just as people like you do today?

and Armageddon is coming but not for 30 000 years yet hehe and as described in the bible the koran and the vedas god will appear on a white horse to destro the demonic people.....jeeeze im babbling on and i bet im gettin some back ups here....

You sound like you are either ON or NEED medication. Coming telling us about god and condeming billions to torment. What kind of person are you?

JWs arent all bad they dont smoke for example haha but thats only one of 4 rules that god laid down for us......no intoxification that was...but that includes alcohol too which JWs still have....the other 3....no meat eating (obviously something u shouldnt do if u think god is merciful and wants no harm caused to his children and animals have souls and are gods children even if they are the less intelligent children)...NO GAMBLING....muslims got that one right and here it comes NO SEX B4 MARRIAGE hehe yup there u go there are the 4 rules god demands not refusing blood transfusion :P oh come on someone counter me!

Counter WHAT? You're a presuppositionalistic monomaniac. All you have are nasty condemning words, yet you obviously consider yourself righteous or enlightened to some extent. Well Mr Veggie-fascist, if you were righteous or enlightened to any extent you wouldn't behave they way you do.

All you have is words, no proof of what you say. And your words show you to be more concerned with animals than your fellow man. Your philosophy, such as it is, tastes of ashes...

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Tips for electric oven/ceramic hobs?

by greendawn in

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friends

i am now about to buy a new electric oven and ceramic electric hobs so if anyone has advice and tips on these devices let us know.

the oven will be bosch or siemens with triple glass on the door and of course fun assisted, that way food cooks faster and better as a crust is created quickly on the surface of food and seals in the juices, eg meats come out very succulent and tender.

also there is no need to turn food round.

Abaddon

I assume you've got no gas coz electric hobs suck majorly. No good for real cooking, only for heating stuff up.

With induction hobs it is the simplicity of cleaning that is far more interesting than the saving in power; any pan that you can stick a magnet to will work on them.

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Shocking Announcement: Society feels Armaggedon coming this year?

by truthseeker in

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a rumor alert indeed, but it could be related to the distribution of kingdom news no.37, "false religions end is near.".

the following is posted from e-watchman's forum.. make of it what you will, but in light of all the rhetoric about "deliverance at hand" and "independent thinking", nothing would surprise me anymore.. http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1502&st=0 we posted about an announcement it was only local to our cong.

however we have found out that there is going to be an announcement sometime in september and it is supposed to be shocking.

Abaddon

The answer to your question Joe is the power of the super-crypto-decoder-Christian ring.

With this powerful device they can tell what (in the Bible) is meant to be taken literally and how literal.

When it says lambs laying down with lions, some people's super-crypto-decoder-Christian ring translates this as 'metaphor'. Others get the result 'literal', and have to believe that lions will go veggy in the Paradise (like Dubbies do).

When it says 'Armagedon' and talks about 'all the nations', some get the result 'literal', as in ALL the nations at Harmagedon in Israel. Others get the result 'contextually literal' as in all nations THEN KNOWN at the literal place. Others get 'metaphorical' and see it as an ultimate battle involving all nations globaly, spoken of in metaphorical terms.

To 'understand', simply order the super-crypto-decoder-Christian ring from the church of you choice...

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What's missing from this forum is ....

by Spectrum in

... enough jws and non ex-jws to have a two sided debate that can give more depth than the current one sided debates that are typical of almost every thread apart from creation/evolution threads.

these manage to polarise us in informative albeit heated debates.

an argument should have a counter argument so that as much ground is covered as possible on both sides of the debate.

Abaddon

As has been pointed out, the fact that some opinions aren't worth shit and therefore cannot be presented convincingly as a counter argument is NOT the problem of those with an opinion that is arguably worth a damn.

Why should I be sorry that a JW can't make a decent counter argument against Organsiational behaviour with regard to Malawi and Mexico, or the NGO stuff, or doctrinal revisions?

It would be nice if there WERE such things as convincing defenders of the possibility of rocking horse crap. And some think they are. But that doesn't mean a balanced debate is possible with people whose belief structure is faith-based as distinct from acceptence-of-evidence-based.

I know I am right because my talking Coca-Cola can says so, you're just unlucky you can't hear it...

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Cannabis vs Alchohol and Other Man Made Pharmacuticals

by OpenFireGlass in

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well for starters i do have a prescription for cannabis (insomnia / depression).... why would i want to take pharmacuticals for insomnia/depression?

i mean, what if i get prescribed/addicted to a pill, that one day i might not be able to afford?

(if you/i grow cannabis it's more/less free)... now the moral issue... who is more likely to beat the shit out of their kids?

Abaddon

ballistic

I got rolling tobacco in the 'States... although it's not common; I've been looked incredulously at in bars when I rolled-one up and people have laughed when they realised I wasn't actually building a joint, as that's what they thought I was doing; cigarettes are so cheap few people smoke rollies (but rollies ARE nicer than cigarettes) cat And animals love plants that give them a buzz; like fermented fruit - I've seen drunk elephants on wildlife programmes!

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Cannabis vs Alchohol and Other Man Made Pharmacuticals

by OpenFireGlass in

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friends

well for starters i do have a prescription for cannabis (insomnia / depression).... why would i want to take pharmacuticals for insomnia/depression?

i mean, what if i get prescribed/addicted to a pill, that one day i might not be able to afford?

(if you/i grow cannabis it's more/less free)... now the moral issue... who is more likely to beat the shit out of their kids?

Abaddon

As good as I am feeling, I still want to get high. It's taking a lot of effort. I am beginning to think that pot may be addictive after all. So far so good. I just have to keep my "eyes on the prize".

As pointed out, feeling good is habit forming. I find if I am in my normal routine and don't have pot when i normally have it I want pot want pot want pot.

If I am in a different routine then it really doesn't bother me if I don't have pot or even the tobacco I normally smoke with the grass - for example, a three weeks holiday without pot, no problem bar a bit of tobacoo craving the first few evenings.

I think you're body is saying 'hey, why don't we feel good?' as distinct from 'unless I have this chemical I won;t feel good'.

Distract yourself with liquor and degrading sexual practises - it works for me every time... once you don't have the "It's 6pm I should be getting high" Pavlovian thang going it'll be easier.

It might not be physically addictive but it is habit forming; there is a difference. You can stop picking your nose if you put your mind to it, thus it is with pot. You cannot stop craving nicotine or Heroin simply by putting your mind to it.

I do want to cut out the tobacco by using a vapouriser, and adjust the "how much, how often, when and where" as I will likely be having residential parental duties for the first time in ages...