Hello Pom... I've put your responses in quotes along with the comments that you were responding to;
>>Tell you what, you kneel at the feet of that disgusting blood-stained tribal diety who punishes the innocent. I'll just stare in amasement.<<Was that an answer? No, it wasn't, it was just switch and bait. I notice you do not look at refuting the explicit point of my post, that if god punishes children for the sins of their forefathers, god is being unjust. You mentioning that everyone is a sinner is not pertinant; we have a specific statement that says god is punishing people for OTHER people's crimes, not their own inherant sin. Now, as you seem to be a Biblical literalist, I'll be interested to see how you can interpret that otherwise.No one is innocent. Just like you. You're as guilty as sin too.
>>Let's make a big fat assumption in the face of no evidence, let's assume that this god actually exists.<<As good an arguement by a creationist as any; "I shit therefore god made me". You don't really need anyone to parody you, do you? You do quite well on your own!No evidence? Did you pass your bowels today? There is a God.
>>Do you consider worshipping a god who punishes innocent people to be in any way morally justifiable?<<I suppose you are talking about 'inherited' guilt. The sin we inherit from Adam. So even if we are talking about this, your god is still punishing people for another person's sin. Is that fair? Even a child could tell you that isn't fair.There is no such thing as innocent people. People are born guilty.
>>Isn't it a little like worshipping Hitler just so he doesn't punish you?<<No, Hitler didn't give me my life, so your example is in the dumpster.
Okay, ignore the other half of the example, the bit you can't refute, about god being an unfair monster.
>>Faced with worshipping such a being or being punished by such a being, I'd go with the being punished any day. I have some morals.<<Maybe you'll get your wish, and you having morals is you blowing your own horn.
I am saying that I find punishing people for other people's sins is wrong. I make no statement regarding any other morals I may or may not have.
>>Being god does not automatically give one the right to be worshipped.<<From what book does that come from? The book of YOU? Only a false "god" would make such an ignorant statement.
Well, we just have to disagree. I actually think it's not just a disagreement, but a fundamental failure on your part to comprehend the situation. To me, even if god DID create us, if god DOES punish people for other people's sins, then worshipping it would be approving these unjust actions. I cannot do that, it offends my conscience. You might not see its actions as unjust, but I see not one arguement on your part to this end. You are just saying my opinion is wrong. Why not prove me wrong? Show the ignorance of my statement.
>>One has to earn the worship by one's qualitites.<<Yeah. Right. The one who gave the life is instantly deserving of the worship. Yet you piss on the life giver?
No, the one giving life is not instantly deserving of worship. That is like saying that ALL fathers deserve respect, even those that abuse their children.
>>And child murderers and accesories to the rape of children don't have those qualities, not even if they did make the Universe.<<Really? God gives life but has has no right to take it away if He so desires for those that piss on Him? You're bass akwards. Every single time life was extinguished in the Bible, God was fully warranted and justified. (Show me God being an accessory to raping children.)
Ah, you fall over your own feet! If god gave life, he would arguably be in his rights to take away life from those that piss on him. However, as I have pointed out, to punish children for someone else's sin is unfair. You still don't address the issue! What's the matter, got no answer? God, in the scripture I quoted, is essentially saying "I will punish the children of those that piss on me, for several generations".
As for being an accessory to child rape, I suggest you read the Biblical account of the ethnic cleansing of Palestine by the Israelites. There are several instances where the Israelites were commanded to kill adult men and women, and boy children, but to keep the virgin females alive. Given the rules regarding concubinage and slavery in the law, to imagine all these virgin girls would then engage in consensual sexual intercourse with the soldiers who killed their entire family is stupidity. Some of them may have been adults by the standards of the time... maybe even as old as 14.
So, as a direct concequence of his laws and commandments, your god was a party to children being held down and raped by the soldiers who had killed their parents.
>>If this is the nature of god, can we believe what it says about Satan in this being's propoganda tract? Maybe Satan is not a terrorist, but is actually a freedom fighter!<<Yeah baby. You just made you line in the sand. You sure you like that side of it?
You seem to have problems differentiating with logical arguement and actual beliefs as this shows;
>>Of course, that sounds absurd.<<No it doesn't. You believe it to be true.
IF there is a god, and IF the Bible is god's word, then what I am saying WOULD be true. I am not saying it IS true. If anything the belief in Satan is even more ridiculous than the belief in YHWH.
However, I DON'T believe the Bible is god's word, and I definately DON'T believe in the god spoken about in the Bible, for the reasons I have outlined.
Notice the use of the word 'if', 'would', 'is' and 'don't'.
>>But then so is your idea of god Pom. Make sure you wipe the blood off when you get off your knees!!<<The only blood on my knees is my own.
Kinky, and untrue.
>>Of course Pom, you probably have some distorted jusitification for worshipping such a being...<<Well, it's called people like you. Are you distorted?
Ah, so someone who points out that the nature of god as revealed by a book written by Bronze Age goatherds is actually morally repugnant to modern man, and that the story of the origin of life contained in the same book is pretty damn funny by modern standards, is the reason you believe in a blood-stained tribal diety?
Oh, I think that's giving me entirely too much power. I think you believe in it because you have never really thought about it and are afraid to think about it as your entire life is built on a set of assumptions that vary from the ludicrous to the repugnant, the relinquishing of which would cause you great emotional and social termoil.
>>People living in glass paradigms shouldn't throw stones...<<Then, put down your rocks.
You're the one who has to prove that the punishment of children for other people's sins is a moral action!
I have no problem if you want to believe in god Pom, go ahead. But believing the Bible is an accurate representation of any god is foolishness, for reasons such as the ones I have outlined.
People living in glass paradigms shouldn't throw stones...