Posts by Abaddon

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Do I convert for him????

by butalbee in

i am going totally crazy without him in my life.

i miss talking to him for hours on the phone, i miss spending time with him, i miss being a part of his life.

it was my decision to end things, and i know he still wants to be with me, but i am still torn to pieces.

Abaddon

How to get him out without him hating you?

Well, IF you got him out, he probably wouldn't hate you, not if he has an degree of maturity. BVlaming YOU for it not being the truth would be dumb.

However, the risk is that if you try to get him out, he will hate you. It's a pre-programmed reflex in him, to identify anyone who challenges his faith as 'wrong' or 'bad'.

Has he ever got online and looked at sites like this? You need to create a situation where HE will go and look, and maybe have his eyes opened.

Perhaps saying you were studying about the Witnesses, and came accross some stuff that worried you, as you knew the Witnesses were lovely people, and you couldn't believe it was true.

It's a risky game; my family are JW's and I'd love to get them out, but they are so primed to be defensive against any attack or perceived attack, it's hard to even start, let alone get anywhere, without effecting the relationships I have with them.

All the best.

People living in glass paradigms shouldn't throw stones...

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love and sex.....do they go hand and hand?

by gilwarrior in

as some of you know, i few days ago i lost my virginity.

since then me and my lady friend have had sex two more times.

however, i have no romantic feelings twords her.

Abaddon

Sex is better with love. The emotional bond adds to the intensity.

But that does not mean, for me, that sex without love is meaningless... hell, I've had GREAT recreational sex.

But your opinion is exactly that; yours. What's good for me is not neccesarily good for you.

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13

English Policemen.

by Englishman in

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yesterday evening i journeyed into darkest somerset to give a prospective client a quotation for a fitted bedroom.

i juiced up at tesco's and zoomed off towards rural badgeworth.

while i was drawing up my designs with my customer, my mobile phone burst into life, playing "the sting" theme, which meant that this was an uknown caller to me.

Abaddon

I do think English police are wonderful, at least in concept... you know, the "Stop, or I will say stop again!" thing... no guns.

Basically in England each area will have a car with a couple of guns in the boot. Someone running around with a gun will have that car sent their way, as well as normal patrol cars.

Other than police assigned as bodyguards, Embassy guards, or on duty in airports (all of whom are specially trained), guns are only handed out if they know they're going up against someone who may have a gun. And they have to account for each bullet. And you can only get a gun if you're specially trained, and you can decline that if you don't want to carry a gun.

Obviously, there are major faults with the English police, especially with regard to institutionalised racism, but these are recognised and the police are trying to resolve things, especially in the light of several major trials where cases were lost because of racist attitudes (Stephen Lawrence, e.g.).

But, even here in Holland, where the police are a cross between a security guard and a uniformed social worker, the guns give me the willies. The American police I have not encountered enougth to really form an opinion.

I can understand WHY they are carried, but I don't have to LIKE it, so I?

Basically, if I was American, I would swap my right to bear arms for the firearm fatality rate of England, but the horse has not only bolted in the 'States, it's gone and bought way too many guns to ever bolt the stable door again, unless you sent the army round, which would have the NRA creaming themselves in delight, saying "I told yuh we needed guns so we could resist when Uncle Sam came to take our guns away! Open fire!!" But I'm sure if I was bought up with guns a part of life, as many Americans are, I would share their mindset.

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Telling the Future by having Sex!

by ISP in

well i think she could predict certain things would happen...... fortune teller can predict future through sex .

a woman in japan is claiming to be able to tell a man's fortune by having sex with him.. the woman known only as kaho is based in a brothel in nagoya.

she claims to be able to tell a man his future by performing sexual services.. japan already has a soothsayer who divines the future by breast-reading and another who give predictions based on mobile phones.. kaho claims to have read the fortunes of about 1,000 men in the past year by performing oral sex, reports shukan taishu news magazine.. she says she has foreseen life events for many men - helping one to win a vast amount of money at a racecourse, and advised a doubting groom to marry his bride.. kaho says he is still a regular visitor, though.. isp

Abaddon

I thought talking with your mouth full was rude...

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Underwear...

by Serena in

this is the strangest thing that i have ever seen, and i have to ask cuz it's just sooooooo wacky, i'm just wondering what the hell it means: the jw guy that i have been seeing, well, he sometimes would wear two pairs of underwear?????

is this usual to witnesses, or is he just trying to protect his goodies?

or is he just a freak?????

Abaddon

I don't know if her South African-ness had anything to do with her rather masculine approach to sexuality. Subtle was not a word in her vocabulary though.

However, the prize for unsubtlty goes to a girl a friend of mine met in Australia, who allegedly said to him (upon exiting a pub after much beer), "Look, do you wanna come home with me? I'm on the blob, but you can always stick it up the $hitter instead".

People living in glass paradigms shouldn't throw stones...

23

Do I convert for him????

by butalbee in

i am going totally crazy without him in my life.

i miss talking to him for hours on the phone, i miss spending time with him, i miss being a part of his life.

it was my decision to end things, and i know he still wants to be with me, but i am still torn to pieces.

Abaddon

No.

You will be simply leaping from the frying pan into the fire.

You know it isn't the truth. If you are prepared to spend your entire life living a lie, being judged by nonsensical standards, living with a man who would probably 'take a passive role' (i.e. not be on your side) if you ever broke any rule and get disfellowshipped, if you are prepared to 'live' a 'life' like that, then become a Witness.

It won't work, and you will be exchanging your unhappiness now for far greater unhappiness in the future.

I'm sorry to be so blunt, but I feel with every fibre of my being that it would be disasterous to convert, unless of course, you believe it is the 'truth'.

As to the heartbreak you're going through... well, many of us have been there, with or without the complication of differing belief. All I can tell you is however shitty you feel now, you will get over it. Everyone does. Maybe a little bit each day so it seems you're not getting over it, until one day, all you have is a gentle regret, not a cutting pain.

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Alternate Lyrics for Kingdum Songs

by Abaddon in

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we're jehovah's wit-nes-ses.

we speak out of wit-less-ness.

ours is the god of bu-reauc-racy.

Abaddon

We're Jehovah's Wit-nes-ses
We speak out of wit-less-ness
Ours is the god of bu-reauc-racy
What it for-tells will not be

We thank you Je-ho-vah
Each day and each night
That you shine upon us your chang-ing light
We wish we'd been a-round in se-ven-ty-one
When for eight-een month BJ's could b-e done

From house-to-house from door-to-door
This load of shit we spread
And even if you're not at home
We'll 'slip one' thru in-stead

Anymore anyone?

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251

space.com dates Noah's flood to 2350 B.C.

by aChristian in

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the watchtower society dates noah's flood to 2370 b.c.e.

they do this by following bible chronology quite closely, counting backwards from 607 b.c.e., their date for babylon's destruction of jerusalem.

however, as we know, the society's date for that event is in error.

Abaddon

Clash has claimed to be a Calvanist and a Presuppositionalist (or at least to use presuppositional apologetics).

As such, there is very little point in even talking to him;

1/ He believes in some ghastly interpretation of god that, as far as I can see, is not really in any way scriptually justifiable. Rather than discussing the scriptual basis of the Calvinistic doctrines he cuts and pastes doctrinal statements; but c&p is his (or her) style in most areas, isn't it?

2/ Presuppostionalists believe what they want and don't think they have to support their beliefs; as there is no reason for his beliefs, you cannot reason with him about his beliefs.

3/ He also always plays switch and bait; I've simply not bothered talking with him after he failed to answer question after question, prefering to astound us with his grasp of Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V on subsiduary topics rather than answering the faults in his arguement (which he doesn't see as faults (see above).

I would suggest you would be better occupied head-butting a wall for the rest of time than talking to him. Of course, he might engage in the debate rather than show-boating, but I doubt it...

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You Know a Spiritual Coward

by AlanF in

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here is another unequivocal example of a claim of direct inspiration: in the olin moyle court case of 1943, fred franz said under oath that no man is the editor of the watchtower.

who, then, is the editor?

who became the editor?

Abaddon

YK: Ah, so inspired only means inspired when it means inspired, otherwise it means inspired!

You really, like really, should read 1984 (George Orwell) or if you've read it re-read it.

The Chinese have a proverb "Every man secretly loves the smell of his own farts". You however, seem to have taken to bottling them.

Happy New Year.

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SPEAKING IN TONGUES

by D wiltshire in

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i am a believer in christ have been df'd since 7/01, but left the jw's in my heart for some time before that.. i feel that the gifts of the spirit didn't end in the 1st and 2nd century but should continue until the church is no longer on earth.. i have been to serveral different christian groups and have heard many speak in tongues, but to be honest i'm not very impressed.. it seems to be, not supernatural,.. but more like the reaction you get when you jump in very cold water, and get a terrible chill that makes your jaw vibrate.. the women seems to be the most prominent ones in speaking in tongues, so i wonder if it is just an emotional response, more than any thing else?.

and if paul said to limit the speaking in tongues to just 2 and only if there is an interpeter, why does the speaking in tongues become so prominent at these meetings?

and how come i never hear a translator interpet what is said?.

Abaddon

COMF; That's not speaking in tounges, that's a bit of German, some Latin, and a bit of Elvish if I'm not mistaken!

D wilshire; It (the Bible) says it (speaking in tounges) is gonna end, but you don't WANT it to end, so you're looking for it, not cause the Bible says it will be there, but because you WANT it to be there. I think I see a pattern forming.

Hell, I'd LIKE to believe I was sexually irresistable to women, BUT I KNOW BETTER.

Why don't most places have translators? 'Cause there is no meaning in what is being said, so there's no point.

If there are translators, will translator A listening to a tape of a person speaking in tounges provide the same translation as translator B, given standard double blind experimental conditions and controls? No, they'll give different translations, because they MAKE IT UP.

Please remember sincerity is no substitue for accuracy.

All the best.

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