Posts by Abaddon

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Who here believes in Creation, yet believes in the Fossil records??

by Lady Liberty in

good morning and "happy sunday everyone!!.

yesterday our family (grandparents, grandkids, aunts, uncles) all went for a two hour drive for a picnic and all day fossil dig.

(sorry, i cannot tell you where, as it would probably reviel who i am to the trolls on this forum.

Abaddon

I don't get this...

Fossils exist.

Why would someone want to advance a theory of an incompetent or unomnipowerful god making prototype animals?

Why can't they accept that maybe god is so clever that the animals develop independently but still acheieve gods aims?

I don't personally believe god had anything to do with creation, but both of the above ideas (incompetent god making prototypes or a really clever god making self-developing organisms) are as removed from the literal account as each other, yet the self developing one just seems more reasonable than an incompetent god some people would rather believe in than accept the fact of evolution.

Oh, Bryson's figures on the amouts of fossils seem a bit shakey. I could place an order for kilos of certain types of fossils, there are fossils beds where you can just go and carve them out of the grounds, and I guess he excludes coal, of which there is considerably more than a five-ton tuck load, and a lot of coal bears fossils

http://www.geoscience-enterprises.com/

http://www.wholesalefossils.com/site/index.cfm?action=about

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I've been studying with JW's for a few months..

by MichaelM in

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i've been studying with the jw's for a few months and i've attended a few meetings but things are feeling somewhat strange...i don't quite get the jist of things but i feel that i'm learning more of what the watchtower teachers and less of what the bible actually says.. i never open my bible.. i'm always reading the watchtower pamphlets.

i really like the people i've met in the congregation and the guy thats been doing the studies with me has been an awesome friend.. .

but i'm just having some issues.. i mean.. they translated their own bible to suit their own doctrines it seems.

Abaddon

MichaelM

I've been studying with the JW's for a few months and i've attended a few meetings but things are feeling somewhat strange...

No KoolAid, but crazy as?

I don't quite get the jist of things but I feel that i'm learning more of what the watchtower teachers and less of what the bible actually says..

Becuse it IS more about what the WT teaches than about what the Bible says.

I never open my bible.. I'm always reading the watchtower pamphlets.

Which is exactly what they want (see above)

I really like the people i've met in the congregation and the guy thats been doing the studies with me has been an awesome friend.

Yup, and some of them may eeven be sincere. Others are following directions; just as JW's oare taught how to talk on the doors, they are taught how to treat interested people. Experts refer to the treatment dished out to newcomers as 'love-bombing'.

But i'm just having some issues.. I mean.. They translated their own bible to suit their own doctrines it seems.

Seems? You're 100% right.

What really urks me is they don't give any info on the translators and they say the credit goes to God.

Well, if they gave details of the translators the credentials and learning of the translators could be questioned. It is widely believed some of the translation commitee of the NWT had no expertise in Hebrew or Greek.

Trhere are things the JW's teach that I think make sense. No hell(Why would a loving god permit eternal torment? it's illogical and hateful).

And? Some of the teachings of Moonies, Scientologists and Mormons make sense. Doesn;t mean they have 'truth'. Doesn't mean your quality of life won't go down if you get involved with them.

The trinity seems real iffy.

Try god being a bit iffy. You seem to assume there is a baby in the bathwater. Have you actually checked?

The point is.. Something isn't right in this society and i can't place my finger on it.

Yup. It is the fact you're obviously intelligent that gives you this 'gut feeling' that tell you all is not as it should be. Your gut feeling is right.

I don't know..

Yes you do know, you know something isn't right. You just have a desire for everything to be that simple like they say it is, for everything to end up okay like they say it will, that your emotions are trying to overwhelm the gut reaction your intellect is giving you.

I'm just a lost person.. wanting to please the creator but afraid that one way is the wrong way, and i'm too stupid to find the right way. Blah. Why is this path so difficult? I came here a long time ago and after finding out this isn't quite the Watchtower society type of forum... I ran off because people had things to say about why I wanted to be a JW.. Perhaps I'm afraid of finding things out I don't want to know? This all started with me reading this stupid anti JW book by David Reed.. I didn't even mean to get my hands on it my buddy just happened to have it lying around..

Look, do not trust the JW's. They are like car salesman trying to sell you a car, and then when you say you want to know what other owners of that car thought about it, telling you not to speak to ex-owners of that car as all ex-owners are liars.

If someone trying to get you to invest in something told you not to talk to people who had invested in the past you'd KNOW they were a charlatan.

Why is a religion any different?

For some reason my paragraphs didnt work..

Maybe so, but your brain obviously does work. Now all you need to do is listen to it.

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Glastonbury Festival

by LittleToe in

anyone else heading to glastonbury festival this weekend?.

i'm in glasgow, between flights, at the moment.

i have a ticket for sunday, for what should be a reasonable line up.. should be fun .

Abaddon

Did E-man sort you a local resident ticket out? There's only a limited number of ways of getting a Sunday only ticket...

Third year running I've not been able to get tickets; 170,000 tickets sold out in 47 minutes this time.

If you weren't such a fine chap I'd call you a bastard out of sheer jealousy....

Oh, and congrats from the Dutchess as well as me!!

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Why label it a cult?

by rebel8 in

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what purpose does it serve?

it just seems to polarize people and ostracize those who aren't ready or willing to label it a cult.

anyone can look up the dictionary definition of a cult (or experts' definitions).

Abaddon

A dog is a mammal with certain identifying characteristics.

A cult is a belief system with certain identifying characteristics.

A poison is a chemical with certain identifying charateristics.

A vitamin is a chemical with certain identifying characteristics.

Labels are useful; if dog, cults or poisons don't like them, tough. They are still cults, dogs or poisons.

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Which JWD Posters believe in the Powers of the Occult???

by What-A-Coincidence in

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???.

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Abaddon

Ah, the usual suspects...

Those that believe in the occult are those with little idea what 'evidence' or 'proof' really is.

They also probably have a charmingly inaccurate idea about the reliability of perception, and thus think themselves or others experiencing it as proof it exists even if that is the ONLY proof they have.

They never seem to question why something that has supposedly been around so long and been experienced by so many people has as much proof to support it as there is of me having a twelve foot long todger, so criical thinkming skills seesm to be defcient too.

Of course, as they believe in something illogical that has no evidence to support it, logic and pointing out the lack of evidence has no effect on their beliefs as neither logic or evidence helped them form their beliefs.

They also really really hate people not belieiving in it, and get especially insulted if people analyse their beliefs in the occult from a dispassionate and methodical viewpoint.

But the funniest thing is, some laugh at JW's for the cultic paranormal urban myths JW's believe in... yet when you get down to it they also believe in ghosties ghoulies and demonz, yet are incapable of differentiaing why thei beliefs are no silly and those of Dubbies are.

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"The Truth", who coined the term, when did it begin circulating in JW land

by Bob Loblaw in

anytime i hear one of my family members or any other jw say the phrase "the truth" in a sentence it makes my blood boil.

christians of different denominations may ask each other: .

"how long have you been a christian?".

Abaddon

I've heard a baptist use it...

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Funny answering machine messages

by ButtLight in

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i found a few that gave me a laugh.

hi, we're not home right now so leave your name and number after the beep, if you are calling to collect an outstanding debt, please leave your name and number before the beep.. hi, you've reached the home of ............... if you are calling to collect a student loan, gambling debt, or other obligation, please press 1 and hang up now.

if you are selling any product or service, or requesting charitable donations, please press 2 and hang up now.

Abaddon

The last answerphone message I had was 'I'm sorry, I am out fighting dragons at the moment, please leave a message or call later'.

I quite liked an ex-bosses answerphone message of 'you leave the message, I call you back'.

I mean, do you want to talk to anyone you have to tell to talk AFTER the beep?

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"You don't return my phone calls!"

by zack in

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ok. so what is the story about people getting upset with others because their phone calls are not returned?

i know that sometimes i don't return calls, but i also know that sometimes people just call to chat, gossip, bitch, and overall waste my time and add to my stress level.

second, i beleive this complaint is self centered: you didn't return my phone call.

Abaddon

Ha... I am proud to be the only person in my company who has voice mail turned off on his cell phone and desk phone... and you know what? No one ever misses it. I have my mobile on close to 100% of the time, and if I can't pick it up, if it's business or someone I want to talk to, I call back.

I've actually got rid of a shitty DECT cordless at home which didn't allow voicemail to be turned off permenantly (it always switched tself back on) and replaced it with one that has no voice mail.

Voicemail and answer phones are just ways of making yourself a slave to others. If they can try once, they can try until they suck seed.

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The new funkey keyboard layout they are trying to sell

by Elsewhere in

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anyone try the new funky keyboard layout that most keyboard manufacturers are selling now?

the one where the delete key is tall, the home and end keys are moved next to each other and and the arrow keys are moved to the left under the shift key.. .

i recently bought the logitech 510 (the one shown on the bottom) and i absolutely hate it.. years ago i learned how to touch-type, which means i type without actually looking at the keyboard.

Abaddon

I have Logitech desksets at home and at work, a better one at home, but the keyboard layouts are identical new-style ones with big delete keys. Main difference is the mouse in the home set is rechragble with etra buttons hereas the work one is ordinary battery powered.

The number/cap/F lock lights are in the receiver if it is a wireless jobby.

Layout is not too bad but I really don't use all the funky extra buttons and controls much I'm so used to a standard keyboard. I'm a really fast four-finger typist, a bit up from hunt and peck but not a touch typist, so small layout chnages don't other me as much.

Main issue is my work deskset is demonised; random key entry and mouse movements plauge me (must besome other bastard with the same keyboard but I can't find it), and the beginings of RSI in my right wrist; fels like the tendons are rubing together in a bad way.

But my pain perception is weird; I normally miss minor cuts and bruises until someone else points them out. It might actually be really pinful but not to me.

Keep meaning to get someone to look at it.

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Dr. Who question for British posters

by Insomniac in

in the episode i just watched, the doctor was fiddling with rose's cellphone and used the term "jiggery-pokery.

" i'm pretty sure that's what he said.

what does that term mean?

Abaddon

Me and my daughter were screaming at the TV on Saturday. For you poor benighted souls outside of the UK (or places like NL where you get BBC) who don't DL the episodes (they hit bitstream bare hours after transmision), this series is absolutely corking. New standards of storyline. Pacey,suspensfull, edge-of-the-seat cliffhangers, with enough running down corridors and Welsh Slate quarries to keep the traditionalists happy.

The angels was fab, and this weeks cliffhanger (I won't spoil it for you, but let's just say those old enough to remember certain arch rivals in the Old Dr Whohave been betting on a certain Nemesis re-emerging since the Face of Bo said that.