Posts by kaik

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A Dummy's Guide to the 'This generation' doctrine

by Honesty in

a jehovah's witness explains the watchtower society's 'this generation' doctrine..... .

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/t3heh0tafiuk6f9t3.

what do you think about his explanation?.

kaik

I had talk about the generation overalap with my siblings in the 1990's around the time I walked away. They had insisted that generation can span in multiple biogeneis, as long the belong to the same political system. They explained that Renaissance lasted 200 years and anyone alive between 1400's and 1600's were part of the same generation, the Renaissance generation. The same the believe that people alive today who knew people born before 1914 and will meet in the future younger generations born in 21st century are still a part of the same generation, the last one. So, in theory, the 1914 generation can be alive as well until 2214. My grandparents were born around 1900, and died in my teen years and my nieces and nephews born at the turn of the millenium and living for another 80 years are still part of the same generation.

Either way, the concept of the last generation is a problem for Christianity. Since the 1st century there was a debate what represent the last generation. I am sure the Apostles were not expecting to age and die and were hoping for promised Jesus return. Every generation of Christians since that time believed that they are the last one.

I heard the discussion on TV while ago why are Christians so preoccupied with the End of the Day and the asnwer was that they want to know how much time they have left on this earth so they can fully enjoy it with all these earthly pleasures.

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JWs no longer taking the Governing Body seriously.

by kneehighmiah in

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friends

the recent letter being us to come to detroit shows that jws are beginning not to take the gb seriously anymore.

the buzz following the meeting was that the letter was unprecedented in its tone.

this coming from long time jws of 30 years plus.

kaik

Interesting posts and I would definitelly agree with Magnum that the knowledge of JW in the Scripture went down. Back in the 80's, people still conducted small groups studies and prepared for meeting and field service. As we were behind the Iron Curtain, not everyone had WT and we had to share, including books. Later that decade, the private studies were banned and discouraged. I notices that my JW family over the years lost much of the knowledge they had in the Bible. When I ask something, they could not even locate in the New Testament. I was very suprised that my family was not even familiar with the story of Jesus and [promiscuous] Samaritan woman at the well, which is one the most known topic of Christianity. But they know everything what is published in the year book, or in WT. I think the dumbing down over the years had made impact on the organization and its member. Additionally, people really do not care anymore about studying the same subject like King of the North and South as it is changing every decade depending on the global politics. Russell believed that the king of the North was Napoleon and later Great Britain. We were told in the 80's that it was USSR. The crowd stopped to care.

I do not think that GB is running out of tricks. They just will invent another. Suckers are born in every minute. They will come with new light and new prophecies of the end of the time and another native individuals will join in. Also I would agree with blondie that back in the older days only officially published words had authority. One elder was DF after he analyzed what was told at the convention by DO. He used it in the KH and was brought up in front of JC and DF with words that they do not care what another brother had said in the convention but only matter what was published by WT.

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July 2014 WT says cremation is okay, such double standards!

by EndofMysteries in

is cremation proper for christians?the scriptures do not present any basic objection to the practice of cremation.. there are biblical accounts relating that the bodies or bones of dead people were burned.

(josh.

7:25; 2 chron.

kaik

Cremation were common throughout Europe since the Bronze Age and were standard burial practice for majority of the Roman citizens. For that reason you do not find many buried Roman citizens. Cremation became obsolete in the fourth century and ground burials were the norm until 1900's. One of the issue behind the ground burial among pagans was a possibility of the body to be dug up by wild animals, other believed in funeral purification ritual.

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Please...I need your help

by Strawberryfieldsforever in

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friends

my heart is heavy as i write this letter.

i have been trying to live my life as best that i can since leaving jehovah's witnesses.

my dad was not a witness and was my rock when i left the religion.

kaik

Yeah, definitelly difficult situation. My JW aunt repudiated his son after he left and for the rest her life she never talked to him. She was beating her chest how loyal is to the organization because she was able to reject him for getting DF's. She did not even bothered to meet her grandchildren, she called Satan's pawns. She was sometimes praised in KH for her sacrifices. Sometimes people will bury their family and everyone with it as long they can stay in KH.

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Where Do You Shop For Good Deals/Lower Prices?

by minimus in

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friends

i know some people swear by ebay.. i like to actually see the product i am buying.

i'm not a big internet shopper.. places like job lots or discount stores like dollar tree are what i usually like.

k&g men's clothes and dsw shoes are other great spots to get big discounts.. where do you shop?.

kaik

It depends what I am buying. Sometimes I say that I cannot afford to buy a cheap cr.ap, so I rather spent money for something that last longer. For house and yard items, I go to Home Depot in USA. My favorite electronics is Best Buy. For good quality brand clothing and low price, I drive to Delaware for tax free shopping. Other items I go to Target. If I need good shoes, sports good, or crystal glassware, I go to Europe when I am visiting my family. The American shoes are not comfortable as the size are off. Americans have much longer and narrower feet than Europeans so it is always hard to find shoes that they do not hurt.

I never had shopped in Kmart or Walmart.

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The endless generation, a TWISTED bible problem

by prologos in

the hundrets of 'bible writers' and compilers have set up a tome that was used to spin phantasic yarns, with people yearning to be the central characters in the end period.

stories of intervention by god that never came.

in these stories:.

kaik

If you read early christian writtings, they believed that the end was about to happen. Many pagans find that amusing after decades and centuries had passed. It was much later when Christianity pushed the idea that Jesus was ruler since his resurrection. When Goths sacked the Rome in 410, Christian thought that the physical return of Jesus was imminent. They could not imagine a world where Rome could not rule. They expected only divine power capable to rule over the world after disintegration of the Roman Empire. Thousands and thousand of Christians throughout the Roman empire in the event following the sack waited for the Messiah. St. Augustine eventually wrote his monumental book, City of God where he pushed idea of the invisible kingdom of God in the heaven and early kingdom were only temporary. Either way, the Christians of the Roman Empire thought that they were the last generation. 1800 years ago!

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Knock knock, they came by once again.

by jam in

this morning (sunday) i was cooking breakfast, while.

the wife was sleeping (i'm a good husband).

two elders , didn't have time to talk my bacon was burning.. a question for those of you that is still active.

kaik

In my 18 years in USA, I had a JW visit only once. I worked at night shift and slept through the day. I woke up at noon as someone knocking and ringing at the door. This person was persistent as there was only my car in front of the house and was determinated to woke me up. So, sleepy I opened the door and ha there JW with WT. I just started cursing. I told her: "Are you crazy? Do you know some people work 12 hours shift at night? I am sleeping and you woke me up! I have to be at work again in couple hours. How you would like me to go and bang on your door 3AM? So get lost! Dont ever do me this again!" And she certainly did not showed up again. I was really pissed, because it was in middle of the summer, sun was high and I was unable to get back to bed.

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Has anyone accidentally stumbled across someone they knew on here?

by SecretHeart11 in

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friends

i keep hoping and doing searches on the site for people in my area.

so far no one i recognize.

i have a few df'd friends that i lost touch with long before they were out (two who were elders actually when they got the boot) and would love to find out they were on here, but don't know if they plan on coming back.

kaik

I have not, but I had recognized some names from my native country mentioned in some of the posts here. I have been out for 20 years and I barely remember the names of my old KH.

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Knock knock, they came by once again.

by jam in

this morning (sunday) i was cooking breakfast, while.

the wife was sleeping (i'm a good husband).

two elders , didn't have time to talk my bacon was burning.. a question for those of you that is still active.

kaik

LOL LisaRose. I have to laugh at your posts. First you hoped that Apostate will work, yet you get visit the next day. Maybe the power of the mind and subconsciousness.

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What was the "logical straw" that broke your camel's back?

by Pacopoolio in

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friends

i had a bunch of tiny little nags that always bothered me about the bible/god/etc.

that eventually led to me drifting away, but this was my personal, singular issue that no one could address.

i think i mentioned it before here, but, for summation again:.

kaik

I think for me was the book Revelation It's Grand Climax At Hand . I could not mentally agree with all the nonsense. We studied it around 1992. Things were not making sense, were disinterpreted and skewed.