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  Imagine a Company Sells You a Product...

  by TTATTelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  imagine a company sells you a product... you like the product and begin to do more business with them.. then one day this company demands that you never visit any of their competitors for the rest of your life.

  they also add that you are never allowed to read a negative customer review about their company or products for the rest of your life.. actually this company threatens you with a humiliating future death if you engage in either of these activities..... how does that sound to you?

  sound reasonable?

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  Thanks for the comments everybody...

  Well hey if a car dealer knew about one of their sales people saying discrediting things about the cars they were selling, you might expect that this person would taken to a back room and asked what the they were up to and probably asked if they were truly devoted to the car company and its products. - Fink

  Interesting point. I assume the car dealer is paying the car salesperson to represent them? When you are the employer you have certain rights as far as what you can expect from your employee. They literally buy those rights by handing the salesperson a paycheck. Those rights are not the same for the relationship between the car dealer and the car-buying customer. 

  I would argue that the typical JW is more of a customer than an employee. I've never received a paycheck from Brooklyn. Most people I know haven't. :) Interesting point still though.

  -TE
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  Imagine a Company Sells You a Product...

  by TTATTelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  imagine a company sells you a product... you like the product and begin to do more business with them.. then one day this company demands that you never visit any of their competitors for the rest of your life.

  they also add that you are never allowed to read a negative customer review about their company or products for the rest of your life.. actually this company threatens you with a humiliating future death if you engage in either of these activities..... how does that sound to you?

  sound reasonable?

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  Imagine a company sells you a product... You like the product and begin to do more business with them.

  Then one day this company demands that you never visit any of their competitors for the rest of your life. They also add that you are never allowed to read a negative customer review about their company or products for the rest of your life.
  

  Actually this company threatens you with a humiliating future death if you engage in either of these activities....

  How does that sound to you? Sound reasonable? ...................Of course not!!!

  You would assume you stumbled into some mafia business or drug cartel and would run for the hills!!!

  You may even feel compelled (and rightly so) to warn others about this company and its tactics.

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  Well.....I just described the "Customer Retention Plan" of the Watchtower and its governing body:

  Competitors = Babylon the Great

  Negative Customer Reviews = Apostate Material

  Humiliating Future Death = Armageddon 

  Warn Others = You Are Now an Apostate

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  If you are reading this and you are a current Jehovah's Witness, ask yourself this:

  • Do these tactics sound like the business practices of a good Christian company?
  • Would you ever do business with a company that employed such practices?
  • Then why do you worship at one?

  Something worth thinking about.....
  

  -TE
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  Need to vent: Wife just went in full cult mode, huge fight. she is so brainwashed

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  out of the blue my wife started to ask me about my feeling about the borg.

  i told her i didn't want to talk about it...she persisted.

  she already knows how i feel, i told her that my biggest beef is that they use mind control, and yep she went in to how i was an apostate and how she doesn't want to be married to an apostate.

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  Hang in there. It's diabolical what these self-serving GB assholes let happen on their watch in the name of God. Seriously it's psychotic. How could they let people ruin their lives and their family's lives to worship them. They will even let you die for them. And they judge "worldly" people? What a joke.

  Probably better not to allow yourself to be provoked by the cult personality in your wife. I know it's easier said than done. I'm in the same boat. It's such a long ass chess game.

  Make occasional digs when the cult persona isn't full blown. Tonight my wife said she didn't want to watch this particular nature program on TV because it showed violent animal attacks in the wild. She said that is not how they were created and so she doesn't want to see it. At that moment the screen had an alligator with all his teeth showing. I said "those teeth aren't for eating grass". Silence...............

  little bit at a time. 

  Hang in there.....

  -TE
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  Brooklyn Update – January 10, 2015

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  email sent to me from a friend in new york city..

  brooklyn update january 10, 2015.

  we have spent the last few weeks in training at the montgomery facility (near walkill) there are 6 couples that were trained to go on the road as ldc field representatives of the branch.

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  Training CO-like reps to tour the country looking for real estate investments? Priority Much?

  I'm SO sure they will be choosing property based on which is closer to where the little old widow sisters live. LOL! These gullible fairy-tale-believing do-gooders are hilarious. (The WT manipulation is shameful though)

  -TE
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  Decided to sign up...

  by campaign of hate in

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  so i decided to sign up after many years of lurking.

  started researching after finding out about ray franz, which inevitably brought me to this site.. i'm still well and truly inn, but don't want to give any information out, i'm sure you guys know the reasons.. since "jay double you .

  org" came online, there has been a definite sense of hysteria with everyone who is "inn", and i get a feeling it's going to get a whole lot crazier as the years press on.. one point i would like to raise is that i feel, without a doubt, that 2034 is going to be the new finish line.

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  Pretty good prediction of future WT games. I wonder just how much the lawsuits and media will be obstacles this time around. 

  -TE
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  Now it’s Definite about the FDS and GB being one and the same and When does Jesus return?

  by 7Starz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it was explained that the faithful slave is the governing body, while the domestics are all those who are fed spiritually, whether of the anointed or of the other sheep..

  the july 15, 2013 study edition of the watchtower stated on page 22, paragraph 10: in keeping with jesus pattern of feeding many through the hands of a few, that slave is made up of a small group of anointed brothers who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food during christs presence.

  throughout the last days, the anointed brothers who make up the faithful and discreet slave have served together at headquarters.

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  A thousand years is like a day to god - so the time from 1914 until now is just over a couple of hours. Actually the entire last "days" will be several thousand years. NEW LIGHT !!!!

  LOL

  -TE
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  How would you respond?!?!?

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  an eldub recently said, " sure, we have changed many beliefs in the last 100 years, but christendom has had 2,000 years to clean up their act an they haven't done it.".

  this was prompted by today's wt session which mentioned nathan knorr's eager acceptance of rutherford's refinements concerning the 1,260 days.

  of course, he also said that he can't really keep up with everything.

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  "Are you saying that Christendom's errors excuse the Watchtower's errors? If the WT leaders are really being directed by holy spirit, why do they have to change any teachings at all? Do they really speak for Jehovah and with his authority and blessing, or do they only think they do?" - Ding

  ditto

  -TE
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  Who Benefits from the Multi-Billion Dollar Real Estate Empire that is WT?

  by TTATTelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this thread is to formally address this subject.

  this is for forum members and especially for lurkers (current witnesses reading this in secret).

  please feel free to post any additional points.. there are a lot of changes happening in wt land.

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   Doesn't their free housing, food, plane tickets, laundry, medical care, hotels etc etc etc count as taxable income?  The true real-world value can be easily calculated, so is it? - Tech49

  Excellent question. I'm sure it varies from country to country as far as what the laws are. My assumption is that these guys get away with the perks as business travel/expenses and such and do not file any income for taxes unless they receive something like a social security check, inheritance, etc. 

  An equally interesting question is - do these guys report the green handshake money?

  LOL....Of course not!!!! 

  -TE
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  deliberate deception by org

  by Magnum in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there is ample evidence of the jw organizations being deceptive (for example, misusing quotes in publications such as the trinity brochure and the creation book), but a few years ago i noticed one glaring example of deception that is worth noting..

  part #4 for the theocratic ministry school for the week of july 21, 2008 was how can false prophets be identified?

  the material was the reasoning book beginning on page 132 (there was a similar service meeting part the week of 8-26-13)..

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  Yeah...two-faced cons. Made a few billion pretending to be something they aren't. 

  -TE
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  We are not the only ones who have lost our faith

  by Xanthippe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is not unusual to lose faith in the religion that you're born into.

  i actually think it's quite common to move away from you parents' belief system and find that you are a different kind of person to many members of your family.

  i have read in national newspapers of famous people including politicians who have left the faith of their birth and found family relationships very difficult, some of them have even been shunned by family.. quite often in local newspapers i see books for sale from one individual about eastern religions, philosophy, evolution and so on.

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  Switching to original thread :)

  Jewish families, families of Indian decent, Mormons, Pentecostals, etc. all have stories of hard line black-and -white thinking, family ultimatums, and shunning based on religion. That is one of the things the WT doesn't want people learning from therapists and counselors.

  "Go to the elders if you have doubts" - yeah right- just a trick to have you "out" yourself and get hard core one-on-one indoctrination.

  There are a lot of people out there with the same struggle coming from a variety of backgrounds.

  -TE