Oubliette, I'm right there with you. That's exactly what I've experienced. And I've come to the same conclusion that I just don't know. Coming to that realization was unsettling at first, but it didn’t take too long for me to come to terms with not knowing. I remember only a few years ago telling my brother, who is an atheist, that if I didn't believe God existed, I would kill myself, because what purpose/meaning would there be to life? I would have NEVER imagined reaching the point I'm at now... and being ok with it.
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ONE REASON
by snare&racket inout of interest, and to formulate a cordial chat, would you give your top one reason for your belief or non belief?.
my foremost 'one reason' for non belief is:.
the historical evidence that provides an explination and timeline for how the modern religious doctrine's and dogma developed over time.. .
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in today's Watch Tower, Brooklyn/Patterson contradicted Jesus.- the Pattern.
by prologos inin paragraph 17 the wt writer alleged that we can not know the exact day and hour, "--but we can and do know the season--"-- we are living in that season--"but.
when jesus was asked a simlar to the wt theme question about the kingdom "--when --"or:.
" lord are you restoring the kingdom at this time?--".
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I survived a 3-hour manipulation session with 2 elderettes!
by Faithful Witness ini'm not sure how else to describe this meeting at my kitchen table.
my elderette ("miss k") arrived with her friend in tow.
i vaguely remember the 2nd lady ("miss w") from the times we went to the kh, but like miss k, we never really talked in depth.
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So many good points, Faithful Witness! I hope to use some of these. I'm looking forward to hearing how your next meeting with them goes.
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Critique of Mar 2014 Awake on Creation by Alan Feuerbacher
by jwfacts inalan feuerbacher has written a tremendous critique of the march 2014 awake!, which contains a grossly dishonest discussion on creation.
the pdf file can be downloaded from awake_march_2014_creation_critique.pdf.
it highlights watchtower use of poor and contradictory reasoning..
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My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT
by cofty in10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.
12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.
15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.
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Interesting. Thanks for posting.
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The Bible's Buried Secrets, new findings on how the ancient Israelites became supposedly monotheistic
by Finkelstein ini viewed this tv series recently and found the information interesting to say the least.. here is part 2 which got my attention the most.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyd0lzmile8.
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"Jehovah ALWAYS had/used an organization". How would you reply?
by EdenOne inin a recent meeting with elders, an argument was used to the effect that jehovah has always [= throughout history] used, or operated through, an organization; therefore, the wts must be that organization today, since god must be using one.
naturally, i know what arguments i've used to counter that argument.
but i'm interested in hearing yours.
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WT Study for January 6-12, 2014
by Bobcat inas a heads up for those who are present for the wt study of january 12, 2014, this thread has information and links to material that has an impact on that study article.. pages 12, 13, pp.
9-14 is a subtitle dealing with a supposed future cry of "peace & security.
" for a detailed analysis with comments on numerous aspects of that subject see this thread.. this post on page two of this thread has a copy of the above wt sub-title dealing with the "peace & security" prophecy as the wt understands it..
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Am I missing something here ?
by smiddy inin ancient times , o.t.speak, god dealt with humans in a variety of ways , dreams ,visions ,prophets,and prophetesses , then apparently 2000 years ago he must have said, i`m not doing this anymore.they , my followers will just have to beleive and put faith in what has been written down up untill the 20th century of the common era.
approximately 4000 years of human history where god has communicated with humans .
if you beleive that .. their has been no communication between god , with any human , whether by dreams , visions , or prophets , for the past 2000 years.. and may i add, their has been no communication from jesus during these past 2000 years either, giving us enlightend /updates about his sayings /prophecys that he gave while on earth 2000 years ago.. please explain.. smiddy.
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Smiddy, this is something that started bothering me months before I started having serious doubts about the WT. That had already been troubling to me and then the GB decides that there was not even a FDS to distribute spiritual food from the time of Jesus' death till 1919? How can that be explained?
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Christmas Songs?
by leaving_quietly inthere are certain songs sung at christmas time that have nothing whatsoever to do with christmas.
i've been reading lyrics lately to make sure, then i make comments to my uber-jw wife, who really, really hates what i'm saying.
for example, the song, "let it snow" has nothing to do with christmas.
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I was actually just thinking about this myself. My family gets together every December for a Christmas "sing-a-long" party and I've been trying to figure out how I can get away with going this year since I've missed the last several. I was thinking that I can tell my husband that a lot of the songs we sing aren't even about Christmas. What's wrong with a sleigh anyway? A couple years ago I was in field service with my in laws and a little girl... We stopped at a McDonalds afterwards and got a happy meal for the little girl. The happy meal came with a Hello Kitty figurine on a sleigh and my MIL wasn't sure if she should let the girl have the toy because of the sleigh, which I thought was ridiculous. What does a sleigh have to do with Christmas? Is there something I'm missing?
I was was also thinking about how even though a lot of Chrisrmas songs are about the birth of Jesus, what's wrong with that? Even if Jesus wasn't born in December what's wrong with singing about his birth? Didn't the angels rejoice when Jesus was born? Not sure if these arguments will work with my husband, but it's the best I can come up with so far.