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  Quote from 1943 Truth book...

  by civicsi00 in

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  i was perusing the 1943 "truth shall make you free" book and i found this on page 302:.

  "christ's coming to the temple in 1918 was entirely unexpected, even to his devoted faithful followers.

  the truth of his coming then was first discerned by the scriptures and by the fulfillments of prophecy after the event, namely, first in 1922.".

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  :It still seems to me that the WT spins it in whatever way it suits their needs.
  
  You bet! Even by the mid 1940s they hadn't interpreted this event the way they do now!
  In the 1920s they were still waiting for the ancient worthies to take over administration of the planet.
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  Quote from 1943 Truth book...

  by civicsi00 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was perusing the 1943 "truth shall make you free" book and i found this on page 302:.

  "christ's coming to the temple in 1918 was entirely unexpected, even to his devoted faithful followers.

  the truth of his coming then was first discerned by the scriptures and by the fulfillments of prophecy after the event, namely, first in 1922.".

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  Just to clarify, the "temple inspection" of 1918 was all about discrediting those who weren't following Rutherford anymore. It had nothing to do with picking one group out of all the earth. Just separating the wheat from the chaff from among the Bible Students.

  As stated in the Nov. 1, 1944 Watchtower, pages 331-332:

  Fulfilled prophecies make it certain that Jehovah’s Theocratic Servant Christ Jesus came to the temple in 1918. Then he entered into judgment with the consecrated servants of Jehovah. He did so in order to determine who of them should be retained in God’s service and be constituted and organized as His "faithful and wise servant" class to do the evangelistic work thenceforth...
  

  During the period from 1878 to 1918 Jehovah’s devoted servants were endeavoring to act unitedly in doing the witness work pictured by that of Elijah the prophet and hence referred to as "the Elijah work". Like Elijah’s work, it was against religion or demonism and for the vindication of God’s name. This work, conducted under the leadership of Christ Jesus, came to an end in 1918, when he came to the temple as Jehovah’s Messenger and Judge. (See Malachi 3: 1.) The judgment tests which he then and there applied separated out from Jehovah’s professed servants an "evil servant" class, which followed after man-worship, selfish ambitions, and self-righteousness, and which aimed after the control of the governing body.

  A remnant manifested purity of heart and devotion to the Lord God and to his Theocratic organization and the interests of his kingdom. This faithful remnant was approved under the judgment trial, and Christ Jesus the King gathered them unto unity with himself at the temple. He adjudged these faithful anointed servants of Jehovah God to be the "faithful and wise servant" class under himself as Head. To them he committed the interests of the Kingdom. That is, he laid upon them the duty and privilege to carry on the evangelistic work as Jehovah’s witnesses in ’preaching the evangel of the kingdom in all the habitable earth for a witness to all the nations’. This they must do, down to the battle of Armageddon, when the Kingdom will destroy all the enemies of The Theocracy and then the millennial reign of Christ Jesus will begin. This "faithful and wise servant" class is the real "Society" of Jehovah’s anointed remnant. That is, it includes all those of the faithful spirit-begotten remnant, whereas the legal corporation, the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, does not include all such.
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  HERE'S A BOMBSHELL ABOUT THE 144,000 DOCTRINE......

  by Mary in

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  just when you think you've heard it all............in my research for my project, i was doing some digging around on the subject of the 144,000 and came across something in the wts's literature that absolutely stunned me and, being the generous soul that i am , wanted to pass it on to you to get your thoughts on this.. .

  we all know that the society teaches that the 144,000 mentioned in revelation is speaking of "spiritual israel" and not 'fleshly israel' or even other christians in general right?

  there are countless quotes throughout the literature that we are all familiar with that specifically state this, but to drive home a point, here are a few:.

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  Thanks for that Aurelius. This is a very good point as well. Usually good stuff like this toward the end of a thread gets overlooked, but I wanted you to know I'm glad to have seen it.
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  Transfusion breakthrough as human blood grown from stem cells

  by truthseeker in

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  2. medical

  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article4567387.eceaugust 20, 2008. transfusion breakthrough as human blood grown from stem cells.

  mark henderson, science editor .

  vials of human blood have been grown from embryonic stem cells for the first time during research that promises to provide an almost limitless supply suitable for transfusion into any patient.

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  bttt
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  I'm worried about dating "worldly" women at 36 this is hard!!!

  by Witness 007 in

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  i can't believe i have to date again when i seperate from my wife!

  i hope i remember how.....i only ever dated my wife.

  what are the rules?

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  Did you ever read Seven006's "consulting trip to Bethel" series of threads?

  Here's the part that your predicament reminds me of:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/58651/1.ashx
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  Transfusion breakthrough as human blood grown from stem cells

  by truthseeker in

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  2. medical

  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article4567387.eceaugust 20, 2008. transfusion breakthrough as human blood grown from stem cells.

  mark henderson, science editor .

  vials of human blood have been grown from embryonic stem cells for the first time during research that promises to provide an almost limitless supply suitable for transfusion into any patient.

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  "Though embryonic stem cells were used in this experiment, it may be possible to create blood from reprogrammed adult cells, also known as induced pluripotent (IPS) cells. These would circumvent some ethical objections to the use of embryonic tissue."
  
  Hopefully this works as an end-run around the ethical issue.
  
  
  Thanks for this info!
  
  The WTS allows bone marrow transplants as a matter of conscience (WT, 1984, 5/15 p.31, QFR).
  
  A bone marrow transplant is essentially transplantation of stem cells which subsequently produce blood in the transplant patient's body.
  
  Theoretically "growing" human blood is is pretty analogous to bone marrow transplantation, with the only difference being that the blood is produced in the lab rather than in a transplant patient's body.
  
  So I think it would be logically inconsistent for the WTS to ban this (provided the embryonic issue is circumvented).
  
  On the other hand, I think its allowance would also would muddy the water a bit on the reasoning for the blood ban in the first place.
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  One possible explanation for the change to CBS (& maybe other changes?)

  by sir82 in

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  as has been noted on this forum and elsewhere, recent years have seen a flurry of changes coming to the jw organization, at blinding speed (at least, as compared to their usual glacial pace).. here's a thought that occurred to me as to why all these changes, all of a sudden.. 2 or so years ago, the gb had 11 members.

  since then, sydlik & barber have died.

  the votes for "drop the book study" were probably either 6-5 or 7-4 in favor - a majority, but not the required 2/3 majority.. now they're down to 9 members, and probably the most recent vote to drop the book study was 6-3. voila!

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  I hope the hardliners are older than the liberals. If so, I wonder if the hardliners have a strategy for passing on the hardline torch.
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  Pioneer hours change

  by JWFreak in

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  it's just a label who cares

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  Yeah, I'm still waiting for some more confirmation.
  
  I'm suspecting it's just a rumor?
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  HERE'S A BOMBSHELL ABOUT THE 144,000 DOCTRINE......

  by Mary in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just when you think you've heard it all............in my research for my project, i was doing some digging around on the subject of the 144,000 and came across something in the wts's literature that absolutely stunned me and, being the generous soul that i am , wanted to pass it on to you to get your thoughts on this.. .

  we all know that the society teaches that the 144,000 mentioned in revelation is speaking of "spiritual israel" and not 'fleshly israel' or even other christians in general right?

  there are countless quotes throughout the literature that we are all familiar with that specifically state this, but to drive home a point, here are a few:.

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  Let me get this straight. The 144K in Rev 14 are singing a "new song" and this was supposed to happen in 1914? That can't be right.
  
  None of the 144,000 were supposed to arrive in heaven until around 1918, 3.5 years after Christ's presence supposedly began. The WT position is that no humans entered heaven until then. I wonder how many chronological inconsistencies this creates.
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  Excellent video on Shamanish

  by frankiespeakin in

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  i think this video will be an eye opener for many,,i'm sure you will all enjoy the women shaman near the end of the video.. .

  healing / shaman .

  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2173642525917926602&hl=en.

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  M.J.

  Sounds like a river in Western Washington.