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  How fear tactics bring people into the organisation..

  by Dis-Member in

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  tell people the world is about to end and they will do just about anything.. .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3_yfwuj2j8.

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  This is Great!
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  Why doesn't god do anything tangible now?

  by punkofnice in

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  i was always told that god did loads of stuff that was evidence of his existance.

  ususally very brutal things too (b#st@rd).. jesus walked on water and raised the dead we are told.. it seems to me also that the older the story, the more exaggerated it is...y'know...talking snake......global flood.. there are those that claim god speaks to them now and they alone 'know' it.

  (cuckoo!!!).

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  Romans 8:18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which will be revealed toward us.
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  I've only JUST worked this out....

  by quellycatface in

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  many times at the kh i heard the various brothers boasting how the kh had good numbers in attendance and the churches of christendom did not.. i 've just worked out why this is; you cannot leave.

  you either fade, get df'd or da yourself.

  talk about hobson's choice.. talk about me seeing the light!!!.

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  Not to mention.. Field Service.

  You are judged on the amount of hours you put on that slip.. What do you suppose would happen if the org decided that reporting time was contrary to Matthew 6:1,2?
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  Why doesn't god do anything tangible now?

  by punkofnice in

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  i was always told that god did loads of stuff that was evidence of his existance.

  ususally very brutal things too (b#st@rd).. jesus walked on water and raised the dead we are told.. it seems to me also that the older the story, the more exaggerated it is...y'know...talking snake......global flood.. there are those that claim god speaks to them now and they alone 'know' it.

  (cuckoo!!!).

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  As for the Tree of Life.. I'm not sure.

  We know that eating of the tree possibly granted immortality "eat and live forever".

  Considering Revelation 22:12 as well.. The leaves of the trees of life are what heal the nations.

  As you mentioned.. Perhaps the Tree of life does allude to the Word of God through Jesus. John 6:68

  I can't help but to keep thinking about this passage in Enoch.. ( I have no idea the accuracy of Enoch, whether it was inspired or written by a fallen angel, or completely fabricated)

  68:9 The name of the fourth is Penemue: he discovered to the children of men bitterness and sweetness;

  68:10 And pointed out to them every secret of their wisdom.

  68:11 He taught men to understand writing, and [the use of] ink and paper.

  68:12 Therefore numerous have been those who have gone astray from every period of the world, even to this day.

  68:13 For men were not born for this, thus with pen and with ink to confirm their faith;

  68:14 Since they were not created, except that, like the angels, they might remain righteous and pure.

  68:15 Nor would death, which destroys everything, have effected them;

  68:16 But by this their knowledge they perish, and by this also [its] power consumes [them].
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  Why doesn't god do anything tangible now?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was always told that god did loads of stuff that was evidence of his existance.

  ususally very brutal things too (b#st@rd).. jesus walked on water and raised the dead we are told.. it seems to me also that the older the story, the more exaggerated it is...y'know...talking snake......global flood.. there are those that claim god speaks to them now and they alone 'know' it.

  (cuckoo!!!).

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  Great Find endof! I'm going to have to research this more.. I think it's significant.

  A few things catch my attention :

  Ezekiel 31:9 I made it beautiful, with abundant foliage, And all the other trees of E′den, the garden of the true God, envied it.’

  (The first century congregation was beautiful because of God & Jesus)

  Ez 31:10 lifting its top among the clouds, and its heart became arrogant because of its height.

  Genesis 11:4 "Come! Let us build a city for ourselves and a tower with its top in the heavens"

  The waters are likely Humans based on Revelation 17:15

  Ezek 31:11 I will hand it over to the mighty ruler of the nations. He will surely act against it, and I will reject it for its wickedness.

  This sounds like Revelation 17:17

  Ezek 31:13 All the birds of the sky will live on its fallen trunk, and all the wild animals of the field on its branches.

  Revelation 18:2 dwelling place of demons and a place where every unclean spirit and every unclean and hated bird lurks!

  it appears to me anyways that this tree is Babylon the Great / Christendom

  Perhaps the other trees in Verse 9 are other religions?
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  Should I meet with the elders?

  by winnie12 in

  1. jw
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  so i posted my story somewhere on this board but long story short i have been expressing my doubts to my mom who is a jw.

  i have been fading since december 2013 and went to a sunday meeting for the first time maybe two weeks ago.

  i went only because i wanted to use the library that my hall has which had books published by the society from the early 1900's.

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  I hope this helps..http://www.a2z.org/wtarchive/archive.htm

  if you read the earliest watchtowers you will find that Russell believed that Jesus died for all mankind.. Not just for baptized jehovahs witnesses in good standing as the organization currently teaches.

  http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/salvation-only-for-jehovahs-witnesses.php

  Only you can decide what to do with your spirituality, but I'll mention a few of my Opinions.

  1. It depends on your ebody of elders, but most likely your mom would not be able to accompany you, if you are a baptized Adult.

  2. If you can keep your cool, and take th. Information that you receive humbly you might be safe.

  3. If you were to express any doubts after the discussion, you could face being disfellowshipped as an apostate.

  If you let the Bible be your guide, and you leT Gods Holy Spirit guide you, everything will be very clear.
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  Why doesn't god do anything tangible now?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was always told that god did loads of stuff that was evidence of his existance.

  ususally very brutal things too (b#st@rd).. jesus walked on water and raised the dead we are told.. it seems to me also that the older the story, the more exaggerated it is...y'know...talking snake......global flood.. there are those that claim god speaks to them now and they alone 'know' it.

  (cuckoo!!!).

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  LOL @ Data-Dog Exactly!!!
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  Why doesn't god do anything tangible now?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was always told that god did loads of stuff that was evidence of his existance.

  ususally very brutal things too (b#st@rd).. jesus walked on water and raised the dead we are told.. it seems to me also that the older the story, the more exaggerated it is...y'know...talking snake......global flood.. there are those that claim god speaks to them now and they alone 'know' it.

  (cuckoo!!!).

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  Endofmysteries - I agree with your statement.

  Jesus tells us that in order to gain Everlasting Life, we have to believe (Or have faith as some people say) in him. If there were signs and it was 100% obvious who created Us, then it wouldnt require Faith, it would be a Question of Obedience or Rebellion.

  1 Timothy 4;10 " That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe."

  In my opinion those who Believe gain Everlasting Life Now.

  Those who do not Believe will still have an oppurtunity to gain Everlasting life. However their Test will be based on Obedience and not Faith. During the 1000 Year Reigh.
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  Why doesn't god do anything tangible now?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was always told that god did loads of stuff that was evidence of his existance.

  ususally very brutal things too (b#st@rd).. jesus walked on water and raised the dead we are told.. it seems to me also that the older the story, the more exaggerated it is...y'know...talking snake......global flood.. there are those that claim god speaks to them now and they alone 'know' it.

  (cuckoo!!!).

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  cofty - I didn't say that there are no absolute truths.. What I meant, is that we are not capable of fully Understanding anything.. Beyond that we definetely don't have the ability to Explain it.

  What is a Human?

  What is God?

  How are Jesus and his Father One but Seperate?
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  Why doesn't god do anything tangible now?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was always told that god did loads of stuff that was evidence of his existance.

  ususally very brutal things too (b#st@rd).. jesus walked on water and raised the dead we are told.. it seems to me also that the older the story, the more exaggerated it is...y'know...talking snake......global flood.. there are those that claim god speaks to them now and they alone 'know' it.

  (cuckoo!!!).

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  Right.. honestly I don't know if Allah is not the same god as YHWH, I haven't read the Quran.. But based on Matthew 7:17-19 it seems to produce good fruit