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Why did God/Jehovah/Jesus create Viruses and bacteria that can kill humans and animals?

by Jon Preston in

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i know this topic has been spoken about but i havent seen an official thead about it.

so theists why did god create these and why does he co tinue to allow them?

are they from the talking snake, satan?.

objectivetruth

Other mentions of the Garden of Eden in the Bible Post - Flood.

Genesis 28:12 - "And he dreamed, and behold, there was a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven. And behold, the angels of God were ascending and descending on it!"

Genesis 11:4 - "Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth.”

They weren't trying to Build a tower to the Moon.. They were trying to Build a tower 45 Cubits High, or high enough to reach the Garden of Eden.

Enoch Ascended to Heaven.. But Jesus said, no one had ascended to Heaven, before him. It was not The Same Heaven..

In the Second Book of Enoch, Third Heaven is described as a location "between corruptibility and incorruptibility" containing the tree of Life.

At the end of the Millenium, the Garden of Eden and Paradise will again be joined - revelation 21:3 " And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband"

Its all there if you are willing to stop being so pessimistic, and just expand your horizons.

In order to answer your question, you first have to understand the Heavens & the Earth

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Why did God/Jehovah/Jesus create Viruses and bacteria that can kill humans and animals?

by Jon Preston in

jw
friends

i know this topic has been spoken about but i havent seen an official thead about it.

so theists why did god create these and why does he co tinue to allow them?

are they from the talking snake, satan?.

objectivetruth

YES Preston! Noah is instructed to build the ark 30 cubits high in Genesis 6:15 - "This is how you are to build it: The ark is to be three hundred cubits long, fifty cubits wide and thirty cubits high."

Genesis 7:19,20 - "And the waters prevailed so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered. 20The waters prevailed above the mountains, covering them fifteen cubits deep"

From the second book of Adam and Eve -

6 But Seth and his children did not like earthly work, but gave themselves to heavenly things; for they had no other thought than praises, doxologies, and psalms unto God. 7 Therefore did they at all times hear the voices of angels, praising and glorifying God; from within the garden, or when they were sent by God on an errand, or when they were going up to heaven. 8 For Seth and his children, by reason of their own purity, heard and saw those angels. Then, again, the garden was not far above them, but only some fifteen spiritual cubits.

9 Now one spiritual cubit answers to three cubits of man, altogether forty−five cubits.

The Firmament was 30 Cubits above the highest mountains. - The Ark was built 30 cubits high, which means that it was high enough to reach the Firmament if it was still there, and had not been depleted from the water that came from it.

Why do you mention Koalas and Kangaroos?

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Do Current WT writers review Early Russell Writings? Obviously not.

by objectivetruth in

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from the book "the divine plan of the ages" - c.t.

russell 1886. as a forcible illustration we mention the sodomites.

surely, if we shall find the restitution of the sodomites clearly taught, we may feel satisfied of the truth of this glorious doctrine of restitution for all mankind, spoken by the mouth of all the holy prophets.... unto the jews of capernaum he said, "if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in sodom, it would have remained until this day.

objectivetruth

The Aid book, said that they would be Resurrected. - I was so frustrated when I went to show my family the Words in the Insight Book, that they would be resurrected.. I used the online insight, where it was simply deleted!

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Do Current WT writers review Early Russell Writings? Obviously not.

by objectivetruth in

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from the book "the divine plan of the ages" - c.t.

russell 1886. as a forcible illustration we mention the sodomites.

surely, if we shall find the restitution of the sodomites clearly taught, we may feel satisfied of the truth of this glorious doctrine of restitution for all mankind, spoken by the mouth of all the holy prophets.... unto the jews of capernaum he said, "if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in sodom, it would have remained until this day.

objectivetruth

Doggone -

I agree, what happened in 1988 was poor Coordination and direction within the Writing Department. Not multiple reversals of view.

But these errors, show you that not even the writers can keep up with the nonsense and lies.

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Why did God/Jehovah/Jesus create Viruses and bacteria that can kill humans and animals?

by Jon Preston in

jw
friends

i know this topic has been spoken about but i havent seen an official thead about it.

so theists why did god create these and why does he co tinue to allow them?

are they from the talking snake, satan?.

objectivetruth

Jon,

Good Question.. I don't know the answer, and I've never thought about it but I'll take a shot.

1. Adam & Eve were created in the Garden of Eden, which was not Earth. (There was the Garden of Eden,Paradise,Earth - Adam & Eve we're kicked out of the Garden into Paradise - Cain was kicked out of Paradise onto the Earthe that we now know.) The Garden was possibly on the Solid Thick Ice Firmament, 15 Spiritual Cubits above Earth.

2. Adam & Eve had their Nature changed, from that of a Angelic/Physical nature, to that of Purely Physical.. This is the reason, that they saw that they were naked, they no longer had a Angelic aspect to their bodies.

- God clothed, and provided Physical Aspects that would make their lives on earth possible.

3. As for Animals, there are a few possible factors to consider.

- In the book of Jasher, you will see that the Fallen Angels, taught men the secrets of Inbreeding & Outbreeding. Once Inbreeding was introduced, animals became degraded and much weaker in Physical Nature. (This answers the question of how all the animal species could have fit into an ark.. Possibly there were not 100s of thousands of original breeds originally, and God Destroyed the unnatural breeds, that were susceptible to Disease and further degradation.

- This may also explain why Animals are Violent & even perverted at times.

- Since Some Viruses & Bacteria, do help us now, it is possible that all Viruses & Bacteria were created for the purpose of supporting different races of animal. (Not sure here)

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"...A God's Voice, And Not A Man's!" (Acts 12:22; 2 Thess. 2:3, 4) ... That Day Is Here!

by bjc2read in

question: how are members of the governing body of jehovah's witnesses themselves, actually viewed by jehovah's witnesses today?.

well, the following related experience may help answer that provocative question, giving us a glimpse of what the possible future days will bring us.

yes, the answer to that question may even be quite shocking to us, ... with simply terrible, disastrous results!!!

objectivetruth

Good Article.. Interesting site as well... Is that site where "The Conscious Class" meets up?

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Do Current WT writers review Early Russell Writings? Obviously not.

by objectivetruth in

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from the book "the divine plan of the ages" - c.t.

russell 1886. as a forcible illustration we mention the sodomites.

surely, if we shall find the restitution of the sodomites clearly taught, we may feel satisfied of the truth of this glorious doctrine of restitution for all mankind, spoken by the mouth of all the holy prophets.... unto the jews of capernaum he said, "if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in sodom, it would have remained until this day.

objectivetruth

It makes COMPLETE sense, why the WT has to teach that S&G will not be Resurrected.. They also teach that Those Destroyed in the Flood have no hope.

The Purpose of the Hell Doctrine, or in this case All non JW's will be destroyed and cast into Gehenna at Armageddon, have one purpose. The purpose is to Scare members into being obedient, so that they continue to $upport the work. - When Salvation does not Depend on an organization, people stop attending Church, and they stop paying the Bills.

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Do Current WT writers review Early Russell Writings? Obviously not.

by objectivetruth in

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friends

from the book "the divine plan of the ages" - c.t.

russell 1886. as a forcible illustration we mention the sodomites.

surely, if we shall find the restitution of the sodomites clearly taught, we may feel satisfied of the truth of this glorious doctrine of restitution for all mankind, spoken by the mouth of all the holy prophets.... unto the jews of capernaum he said, "if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in sodom, it would have remained until this day.

objectivetruth

Punk - To the contrary, it matters now more than ever.

When Jesus gave the Parable of the Seed being thrown along the Roadway, WE are the ones that receive the Seed. Yahweh has called many of us out of the Watchtower, he has done this by opening our eyes to see that the Watchtower does not teach the Truth. - It is our privilege to show our distraught brothers and sisters the True Gospel, the Gospel of Love & Forgiveness.

People reject the God that is taught by Men, because they conceive that he is Demanding, And Judgemental and Self Righteous.

The God that Russell taught was a Merciful God, who has a PLAN for Every Man,Woman & Child that has ever lived.

there is one Book in particular, that was filled with Common Sense, and Hope (Excluding the While Puramid Thing : )

http://wtarchive.svhelden.info/archive/en/publications/1886_CR_MD1_The_Plan_of_Ages.pdf

With this message, it's easy to see why people were so Enthusiastic about this organization (Before it was an Organization)

The Overview of what is contained in this Book :

Jesus Died for all. From Adam to the Last Born child.

Everyone can be anointed by Holy Spirit and be guided to truth from the spirit.

Faithful anointed people gain Immortality & the share in teaching and assisting during the 1,000 year reign.

People that are not anointed, but are still Righteous gain everlasting life.

People that are Unrighteous,Wicked,Evil will ALL be resurrected. There chance to choose Life will be during the 1,000 year reign.

99.9% of Humans will eventually be worthy of everlasting life.

And after this Psalms 37 will be on the earth.

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Amazing Experience while in the Door to Door field service.. The work really is speeding up.

by objectivetruth in

a pioneer sister who just returned from pioneer school, and her elder husband, who was previously in bethel are in service.. when they come to an enthusiastic house holder.

after discussing the glorious messianic kingdom that has been ruling since 1914,err 1919 the house holder says "ok this really is good news, what must i do to be saved??".

brother elder and sister pioneer elder both look at each other, and they know right away the best answer... sister pioneer reaches into her bag pulling out her km approved preaching tablet device (she waves it around a. bit, with the purpose of impressing the householder how advanced the wt is), she then says i want to show you our website, jw .

objectivetruth

EndofM - Please consult the August 2014 KM regarding music volume at weddings..

After re examining Ecclesiastes 7:5 -"It is better for a man to hear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools."

The GB determined that if it is your first marriage, and you are married another JW it is admissable, to turn the radio up an additional 3 HZ

This was previously understood as being 3 HZ lower based on

Isaiah 30:29 You shall have a song as in the night when a holy feast is kept, and gladness of heart, as when one sets out to the sound of the flute to go to the mountain of the Lord , to the Rock of Israel.

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Amazing Experience while in the Door to Door field service.. The work really is speeding up.

by objectivetruth in

a pioneer sister who just returned from pioneer school, and her elder husband, who was previously in bethel are in service.. when they come to an enthusiastic house holder.

after discussing the glorious messianic kingdom that has been ruling since 1914,err 1919 the house holder says "ok this really is good news, what must i do to be saved??".

brother elder and sister pioneer elder both look at each other, and they know right away the best answer... sister pioneer reaches into her bag pulling out her km approved preaching tablet device (she waves it around a. bit, with the purpose of impressing the householder how advanced the wt is), she then says i want to show you our website, jw .

objectivetruth

I wonder what happened to that family? They went back to Arizona. Nice folk, the Dad gave me a U.S. cent as a momento. I kept it for years before it got lost in house moves and such.

These types of things are the True Miracles of our time

Stories, and Memories shared between people that mutually Love one another, and care.. Care not because they want to get A reward, or beef up their resume.. But rather they care because all Humans are our Brothers and Sisters, and the law is in our hearts to love. - It's the little things that give people hope, and stick with them when The Dark Clouds role in again.

Heres a REAL Experience that I recently had... I believe that Matthew 5:42, is one of the most important scriptures.. " Give to the one who asks you" and I have determined that it is literal..

After leaving Wal Mart the other day there was a Homeless man and his wife sitting in the Median, I reached into my wallet and took out all the cash I had on me ($2) - I handed it to the man, and we locked eyes (He had beautiful blue eyes, but his face was Dirty & Cracked) - He said " Thank you so much Brother, it will come back to you" That was a really emotional moment, that has effected me deeply.. And it was that experience that prover to me that Matthew 5:42 is the truth, from God. - I hope that if enough people help that man, he too will find hope.

Sorry to take this sarcastic topic off topic, the U.S. Cent memento that the Dad gave to Punk and that Punk cherished and kept for so long is touching., that too is love.