Posts by objectivetruth

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The Great Crowd Catch 22

by Perry in

just had a two hour conversation with my father.

he is insistent that he will be able to enter the kingdom of god as a member of the 'great crowd'.

he did agree that only the annointed are declared righteous.

the "first use" of a word in Scripture is often very significant as it establishes the primary or most significant meaning, and this general principle is true in the Spirit's inspired use of 'aman in Genesis 15:6 where "Abram believed in Jehovah" = Hebrew verb 'aman = Greek verb

Genesis 15:6 Then he believed (Aman in the Hiphil stem) in Jehovah; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.

Comment: The use of aman in this passage indicates that Abram did not just give mental assent to God's promise ( Ge 15:5 ), but that he relied on that promise and made a personal commitment. In other words Abram's faith was not only cognitive (the mental act of acquiring knowledge) but also personal for he believed God’s word of promise (Cp the NT "commentary" on this OT use of "aman" -- Hebrews 11:8 = His faith was the root of the fruit of obedience, which is a sign that one's faith is genuine saving faith and not just mental assent! the depth of his faith which led to the ultimate act of obedience in Heb 11:17 , 18 , 19 ) and he committed his soul to the God Who had revealed Himself. Considering that "amen" (truly, it is certain) is derived from "aman", it is as if Abram heard God's promise in Ge 15:5 and said "Amen!" Jesus repeatedly used the Hebrew word "amen" ("Truly") to express the trustworthiness and abiding certainty of His sayings.

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Your body is your PRIMARY TEACHER (a God-appointed channel is nowhere in the picture)

by Pinku in

balance is the natural state of your body and is maintained by moderation in your habits such as sleep, work, eating, entertainment and thinking.

(mathew7:12; 5:13-16; proverbs 25:16, 27; 1 cor 6:12; 8:9; philippians 4:5) your body sends signs of distress when you cross the limit.. this is true even in subtler areas too.

contrary to the popular notion that happiness or peace come from accumulating things, body teaches it comes from renunciation.

objectivetruth

"We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves."

" Just as treasures are uncovered from the earth, so virtue appears from good deeds, and wisdom appears from a pure and peaceful mind. To walk safely through the maze of human life, one needs the light of wisdom and the guidance of virtue."

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Your body is your PRIMARY TEACHER (a God-appointed channel is nowhere in the picture)

by Pinku in

balance is the natural state of your body and is maintained by moderation in your habits such as sleep, work, eating, entertainment and thinking.

(mathew7:12; 5:13-16; proverbs 25:16, 27; 1 cor 6:12; 8:9; philippians 4:5) your body sends signs of distress when you cross the limit.. this is true even in subtler areas too.

contrary to the popular notion that happiness or peace come from accumulating things, body teaches it comes from renunciation.

objectivetruth

"He attains Peace who, giving up desire, moves through the world without aspiration, possessing nothing which he can call his own, and free from pride."

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New idol replaces golden calf in WT comic book.

by Wasanelder Once in

well, what do you think?.

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objectivetruth

Numbers 21:8,9 "Then Jehovah said to Moses: “Make a replica of a poisonous snake and put it on a pole. Then when anyone has been bitten, he will have to look at it in order to keep alive.” 9 Moses at once made a serpent of copper and put it on the pole, and whenever a serpent had bitten a man and he looked at the copper serpent, he survived."

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The Great Crowd Catch 22

by Perry in

just had a two hour conversation with my father.

he is insistent that he will be able to enter the kingdom of god as a member of the 'great crowd'.

he did agree that only the annointed are declared righteous.

objectivetruth

Ask your father about his viewpoint on Seth,Enoch,Abraham,Isaac,Elijah,Moses and John the Baptist.

These men were all Righteous, yet they still must prove their righteousness over a 1,000 year period. (According to WT Doctrine)

you you can then ask him about Luke 13:28 " In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God but you yourselves cast out."

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My Story: from JW Elder to Born Again Christian to Agnostic

by passwordprotected in

i first posted here on 3rd june 2008. at the time i was an elder, appointed the previous october, i was 36 and i was a born-in.

at the time i'd become disillusioned with the society due to the governing body's letter explaining why the book study in private homes was being abolished.

april 2008 saw me start questioning this decision, privately of course, and this eventually led me to this site, to jwfacts and to many youtube videos, all of which began to errode my faith in the leaders of the organisation.. in july 2008, having discussed my doubts with my wife, i attended the district convention, deciding to give the society one last chance to convince me it was the truth.

objectivetruth

You may enjoy reading the Bhagavad Gita. There is an underlying theme in all religions that is in line with what you have come to realize about relying on your self.

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World Population Since Creation?

by objectivetruth in

matthew 20:28 - "just as the son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his life as a ransom in exchange of many".

the word "many" here means :.

4183 polys many (high in number); multitudinous, plenteous, "much"; "great" in amount (extent).. 4183 /polys ("much in number") emphasizes the quantity involved.

objectivetruth

Matthew 20:28 - "Just as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his life as a ransom in exchange of many"

The word "many" here means :

4183 polýs – many (high in number); multitudinous, plenteous, "much"; "great" in amount (extent).

4183 /polýs ("much in number") emphasizes the quantity involved. 4183 (polýs) "signifies 'many, numerous'; ...with the article it is said of a multitude as being numerous" (Vine, Unger, White, NT, 113,114) – i.e. great in amount.

Considering this scripture, think about the WT teaching on Jesus Ransom and who it benefits..

1. Pre Flood - It is likely from a mathematical perspective, that 7 Billion People were alive at the time of the Flood. (Conservative Estimate)

2. Post Flood - Population increased rapidly until the Tower of Babel, Perhaps 1 Billion People alive.

3. After mans age was limited to 120 years, Population increase subsided drastically.

Calculating today's population (which has sky rocketed in the industrial age), with the past 7,000 approximate years, it seems that the total of humans Born since Adam & Eve is 20-30 Billion?

With this in mind, the Watchtower teaches that 8 Billion will Die at armageddon today, and all except 8 died pre flood (another 7 Billion)

If 30 Billion have lived, the WT teaches that over half will do not benefit from Jesus Ransom..

Can 50% or less be considered a " multitudinous " amount?

Has any one else researched World Population figures, or the word "polýs"?

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Smiling at a Disfellowshipped JW instead of Completely Ignoring him

by ProfCNJ in

i was driving our car going to our assigned territory for our sunday field minsitry (was with jw 2 sisters) when i saw a disfellowshipped jw riding his motorcycle heading towards us.

the guy was df'd around 2 months ago only (won't delve much on his case).

approximately about 10 meters, we saw him smile.

objectivetruth

Etna - I was going to say the same thing.

I have a similar experience to relate, Recently my wife and I were in the supermarket, and we saw a Sister from our Previous Hall. We saw her, she saw us.. We smiled and walked towards her to say hello.. She quickly turned the corner and speedily pushed her shopping cart down the Bread Aisle. (Avoiding Any Additional Eye Contact At All Costs)

Hmm.. She may have smiled a tad, but if she did we didn't see it..

I suppose a smile is a start, but if you'd like to consider Jesus as your example, consider the fact that Jesus dined with a Prostitute and Tax Collectors.

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Debunking the Bible

by Coded Logic in

there seems to be an endless number of ways to show the bible is not devinely inspired but all of it seems so complicated.

anyone know any simple arguements for this?

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objectivetruth

Coded-logic',

I see from your statement that you care.. If you'd like you can help me try and understand the source of dis-member's abnegative compulsions.

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Debunking the Bible

by Coded Logic in

there seems to be an endless number of ways to show the bible is not devinely inspired but all of it seems so complicated.

anyone know any simple arguements for this?

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objectivetruth

Thank You Jhine.. Some times I too wonder about dis-member, it's almost as if he/she is a Nihilist, and simply derives pleasure from messing with people's belief paradigms. Maybe we can hear form you dis-member, do you derive some type of pleasure from referring to other human beings as headless chickens?

I'm going to have to go through some of dis-members past posts, to try and understand where all of his/her aggresion comes from.

Just look at his/her comment about "headless" creatures, and then compare that with his name "dismember".. Alarming to say the least.