Posts by objectivetruth

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Small (tiny) victories

jw
friends

i had a conversation with my wife today about child abuse as it's in the news, and i managed to slip in the fact that wt (not an individual, but the .org itself) has just been ruled against in the states to the tune of 13 million or so.

she knows i'm opposed to the procedures we have in place, and she can definitely see that it makes sense to go straight to the police, and said she would do immediately if it were our children.

we had a fairly local case where the elders positively marched the offender to the station themselves, and good for them for doing so, but she most likely thinks everyone would do that out of common sense.

objectivetruth

GTTM - I Lol'd when I read your comment "Maybe around 88" .. Awesome. (sorry if it wasn't meant to be funny) (it was though)

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This is Really Getting Scary!!! PLEASE LOOK!!

by NoMoreHustle in

stupid me does not know how to copy paste pics from instagram site.

nmh.

http://instagram.com/p/vbu5_xhiam/.

objectivetruth

Idol Worship Much ? http://instagram.com/msmariaricciardigmailcom?modal=true

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WT lawsuits - Gog of Magog - Coalition of Nations - Courts of Law - Bankruptcy

by truthseeker in

jw
friends

what if the society know it only has to lose one big case to lose a whole set of cases on precedent of the first case?.

this means they will lose millions of dollars in lawsuits and settlements.

which means their financial stability is under threat.

objectivetruth

The Watchtower recently changed their teaching on Gog / Magog. They did this during their Annual Meeting broadcast.

Previously they taught that Gog / Magog was some type of Group (Perhaps Symbolic of Nations all over world) led by Satan. They changed this to Being literal humans, who will literally die at the end of the Attack on "JW's"?

im not explaining it properly, but the point is that it will now be more difficult to Claim Attack of Gog / Magog on any Non Physical And Literal attack.

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preface question:

by mohrb in

order of operations is important, so, i'll ask a question before i make assumptions and start "fixing things.".

obviously, the site heavily encourages the viewpoint of former j-dubs and others who have disagreements with the political posturing of the wbts.

i get that, and see your points.

objectivetruth

The Watchtower Teachings & Doctrine are beyond Broken, they are Irrevocably Flawed.

They will not be fixed, because the Gentile Times have ended, and the Watchtower Organization is a Gentile Religion.

God is no longer with the Jehovah's Witnesses. He is with the Jews.

"This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘In those days ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe of a Jew, saying: “We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.”’ Zechariah 8:23

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2008 Watchtower Income Tax Return

by objectivetruth in

i found this, and did not see it posted previously.. thought i'd post it, in case it's of use to anyone.. http://irs990.charityblossom.org/990t/200908/111753577.pdf.

according to this all assets in 2008 were valued at $400,000,000.

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objectivetruth

I found this, and did not see it posted previously.. Thought I'd post it, in case it's of use to anyone.

http://irs990.charityblossom.org/990T/200908/111753577.pdf

According to this all Assets in 2008 were valued at $400,000,000

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Judge Rutherford did not know he was under the New Covenant in... 1929

by objectivetruth in

the new covenant is the single most important, claim to fame that jehovah's witnesses (the governing body) have.

in the 2014 watchtower 10/15 "you will become a kingdom of priests" the watchtower says the following :.

"by means of the new covenant, both jews and uncircumcised gentiles would have an equal opportunity to be heirs of gods kingdom, because their circumcision is that of the heart by spirit and not by a written code.

objectivetruth

Navytown - I agree that we must live in the Here and Now, and It's absurd to abandon care and neglect this life just because of a Hope of a Future Reward (Heaven / Paradise). But Why is it necessary to choose one or the other, why can't we live for today, in preperation for tomorrow, and while not abandoning hope?

"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning." - Einstein

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Judge Rutherford did not know he was under the New Covenant in... 1929

by objectivetruth in

the new covenant is the single most important, claim to fame that jehovah's witnesses (the governing body) have.

in the 2014 watchtower 10/15 "you will become a kingdom of priests" the watchtower says the following :.

"by means of the new covenant, both jews and uncircumcised gentiles would have an equal opportunity to be heirs of gods kingdom, because their circumcision is that of the heart by spirit and not by a written code.

objectivetruth

They hold the same view today, as Rutherford published in 1929.

Bible Students Teach : The New Covenant is for Natural Jews, and the New Covenant will begin once the Regathering of Literal Israel is Complete, and the Messiah has come.

Witnesses Now Teach : The New Covenant has been in place since 33 CE and all Humans regardless of Background are eligible to be in it. Since 1914 The only Individuals who have been "Chosen" to be in the New Covenant have been Jehovah's Witnesses.

From one of the Bible Students current websites :

" Through the Prophet Ezekiel the Lord again made mention of the fact that their Law Covenant made at Sinai must, before their great blessing of restitution , give place to a New Covenant, a better covenant. Speaking of the time when He would regather them out of all lands and would fulfill to them the promise made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and make them a great nation, and use them for the blessing of other nations, the Lord declares, "I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake." He then tells them that at the time He would receive them back into His love and favor He would gather them out of all countries and bring them into their own land. He would also purify them, take away their stony heart, and give them a new heart, and make their desolate land like the garden of Eden ( Ezek. 36: 22-38 )."

From - http://www.biblestandard.com/jewish-hopes-2.html

(Interestingly the Watchtower (Rutherford) Published a Book entitled "Jewish Hopes", the same as this Link is called.)

Another Useful QUote from the same page :

" Our text is from another prophecy speaking of this same great Messiah, the Mediator of the New Covenant, King of kings and Lord of lords, who, as the Representative of the great Jehovah, His Father, is to reign until all enemies shall be put down—until Satan shall be bound and ultimately crushed; until Adam and his race, released from the Divine sentence, under the New Covenant provisions shall be uplifted from sin, degradation and death to perfection and everlasting life—the unwilling and disobedient being destroyed in the Second Death. The Prophet Malachi points out that the Messiah of the New Covenant, whom he announces, is the glorious Mediator and antitypical King for whom they had waited so long, and of whom they delighted to think. He would come to the Temple—thus implying that He would be not only an antitypical Prophet, an antitypical King, but also an antitypical Priest—"after the order of Melchizedek" ( Psa. 110: 4 ; Zech. 6: 12 , 13 )."

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Judge Rutherford did not know he was under the New Covenant in... 1929

by objectivetruth in

the new covenant is the single most important, claim to fame that jehovah's witnesses (the governing body) have.

in the 2014 watchtower 10/15 "you will become a kingdom of priests" the watchtower says the following :.

"by means of the new covenant, both jews and uncircumcised gentiles would have an equal opportunity to be heirs of gods kingdom, because their circumcision is that of the heart by spirit and not by a written code.

objectivetruth

Designs - Yes I am, current and past. Why do you ask?

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Judge Rutherford did not know he was under the New Covenant in... 1929

by objectivetruth in

the new covenant is the single most important, claim to fame that jehovah's witnesses (the governing body) have.

in the 2014 watchtower 10/15 "you will become a kingdom of priests" the watchtower says the following :.

"by means of the new covenant, both jews and uncircumcised gentiles would have an equal opportunity to be heirs of gods kingdom, because their circumcision is that of the heart by spirit and not by a written code.

objectivetruth

The New Covenant is the Single Most Important, claim to Fame that Jehovah's Witnesses (The Governing Body) have. In the 2014 Watchtower 10/15 "You will become a Kingdom of Priests" the Watchtower says the Following :

(Bullet Points are My Comments)

"By means of the new covenant, both Jews and uncircumcised Gentiles would have an equal opportunity to be heirs of God’s Kingdom, because their “circumcision is that of the heart by spirit and not by a written code.” (Romans 2:29) God would put his laws in their mind and in their hearts. (Hebrews 8:10) The new covenant includes 144,000 anointed ones. They make up a new nation that is called “the Israel of God,” or spiritual Israel." - End Quote

In this article the Watchtower is claiming that Jews and Gentiles have an Equal Oppurtunity to be Heirs of God's Kingdom. These know that they are heirs once their heart is Circumsised. The 144,000 is under the New Covenant.

In another Watchtower 2014 11/15 "Now you are God's People" States the Following :

"ON Pentecost of the year 33, Jehovah made a historic change. He created a new nation called “the Israel of God,” or spiritual Israel. (Galatians 6:16) Jehovah used his holy spirit to select the individual members of this nation."

"The first members of God’s new nation were the apostles and over a hundred other disciples of Christ who had met together in an upper room in Jerusalem. God poured out holy spirit on them, and they became sons of God." Par 11 “The conclusion of the system of things” began in 1914. At that time, there were only a few thousand anointed Christians on earth. During the war that began that year, these anointed “sons of the Kingdom” were still in captivity to Babylon the Great. But in 1919, Jehovah freed them, and the difference between these true Christians and false Christians became very clear." - End Quote

The First Members of the New Covenant were able to Perform Miracles, and they Instantly Understood that they had been anointed as soon as the Holy Spirit came upon them. This Transformation was so Clear and Undeniable the Disciples would ask one another "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" he asked them. "No," they replied, "we haven't even heard that there is a Holy Spirit." Acts 19:2 - This Baptism by Holy Spirit is a Covenant and Once you're Under it YOU KNOW.

There were Thousands of Witnesses in 1929, supposedly all of them were members of the New Covenant.

With the Above Facts and Watchtower Quotes in Mind, Consider some statements made by J.F. Rutheford in the Year 1929.

"it is "with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah", that is to say, with those who are Jews because of being natural descendants of Israel and Judah, and who have faith in the promises which God made to the effect that through the house of Judah should the great Deliverer come; these are the ones with whom God will make the covenant. (Life Page 187 Published by the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society)" - End Quote

To Summarize this Quote : Natural Jew's who are Fleshly Descendant's of Israel & Judah, who Worship God, Will Be (In The Future) under the New Covenant.
The Antithesis Summary : Gentiles (Non Fleshly Descendants of Israel and Judah) are not Under the New Covenant Now, nor will they be in the Future.

The Signifigance of this statement is that J.F. Rutherford did not Recognize that he or any other Jehovah's Witness was under the New Covenant, a Full TEN YEARS after it was supposedly bestowed upon the Governing Body (Faithful & Discreet Slave). Not only did they not Recognize they were Under it, they did not anticipate ever being under it.. Compare this to the Instantaneous Aknowledgement by the Jews mentioned in the New Testament.

If J.F. Rutherford and his fellow Watchtower Companions were the Individuals being questioned at Acts 19:2 the scripture would have read this way :

"Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" he asked them. "No," (Rutherford Speaking for them) replied," Acts 19:2

God's Covenant is not so weak and insignifigant that, someone would not know for at least ten years that they were under it. This is the New Covenant Here :

Jeremiah 31:33-34

33. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD : I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD ,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD . For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

Rutherford was Correct in stating that the New Covenant is for a Future time, but Unfortunately the Light Got Much Dimmer for his Organization.

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New Article on BEARDS and Attire of Jehovah's Witnesses

by jwfacts in

i have had requests to add an article about beards and jehovah's witnesses.

it is interesting that there is virtually no statement that says a witness cannot have a beard, yet universally they do not have beards.

i have scoured quotes from all the threads on jwn, all references to beard on the cd watchtower library, and copies of elders letters that i have.

objectivetruth

If an Elder questions your Beard in the Future you can provide this answer :

"Well Brother Elder,I do not want to be like a Man, who looks in the Mirror, and then Forgets who he is as James 1:24 cautions "for once he has looked at himself and gone away, he has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was." You see Brother, a long time ago, when God Introduced Religion to Humans he gave them Commands, one of these commands was to "not trim off the hair on your temples or trim your beards." When James (A brother of Jesus) looked in a Mirror he Saw his Beard, and His Beard was a reminder that he was a Servant of Jehovah God. You see Brother Elder, in "Bible Times" shaving your Beard was a very Humiliating matter. Let me ask you a Question.. How would it look if I entered the Kingdom Hall with half of My Buttocks Showing, due to my Pants being Half Cut off ? Bearing my Butt Cheeks is the same as not having a Beard.. King David would certainly allow me to wear a Beard.. Will You?"

2 Samuel 10:4 "So Hanun took David's servants and shaved off half of their beards, and cut off their garments in the middle as far as their hips, and sent them away.5 When they told it to David, he sent to meet them, for the men were greatly humiliated. And the king said, "Stay at Jericho until your beards grow, and then return."…"