human rights are clearly laid out in a number of places, and are upheld by legislation in many nations, and yet they are ignored, or when they are invoked, do not go far enough.. this is a sad state of affairs in the 21st century.. human rights are simply trodden in to the ground where we have war, where we have totalitarian regimes, and where we have ignorant clerics who rule.. even in enlightened countries that broadly accept the principles of human rights, they often are not given the priority they should receive.. take freedom of religion for example, this right should enshrine the right to freedom from religion.
the fact that we in the u.k, canada the u.s.a, europe etc etc are unable to really be free of the wt/jw religion if we wish to choose to do so shows this right is unenforceable at present.. the same with the right to family life, the jw/wt cult is allowed to ride roughshod over this basic human right.. it is time their power, and the power of religion in general, was reigned in, and they be made to respect human rights fully..
I agree phizzy, human rights laws, are just not enforced, and when the laws are broken the punishment is not evident. Having laws in place is one thing, enforcing them is quite another. The British police aren't going to enforce and breach of a human rights law, they don't even enforce a legally binding family contact order.
There needs to be government appointed authorities to enforce certain laws. But that will just cost money, and they don't want to spend anymore.
Kate xx
quite a few here on jwn seem to have grown and developed in leaps and bounds, sometimes beyond their wildest dreams.. others seem to still be struggling.. what do you think makes it possible to flourish?.
the degree to which our mind has been liberated from watchtower thinking?.
if so, this seems to happen in many different ways, so what is the secret?.
The WTBTS has done everything possible not to encourage the JW's to personally flourish. It is against all of their polices and admonitions. Everything is discouraged except for meetings, FS assemblies and studying the WT publications.-Giordano
I agree, and pray of course.
The high skill level needed of the flourishing JW is the ability to conform.-Giordano
Yes correct conform without question. Listen, obey and be blessed.
Kate xx
i've always wondered that.
recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.
cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
we are getting a much better picture of how a living brain works.-jgnat
I have seen sci-fi stuff about reading the thought patterns of the brain. e.g. red glow for happy and green for sad. But the article just explains how LHC is made not really how it works. Very interesting though.
Kate xx
i've always wondered that.
recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.
cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
Why are many not emotionally satisfied with this answer ?-caliber
Thanks for the caliber. I think it's because many are concrete thinkers and need answers in black and white terms. Some are not able to make higher order abstractions and read between the lines. Kate xx
i have a genuine question for the jw apologist.
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what is your scriptural justification for your unquestioning obedience to the governing body and your unwillingness to question their intepretation of scripture?.
how do they know that the Governing Board was appointed by God and Jesus? ...because the Governing Board told them so? That self-serving circular logic should make even the most unreasonable person's head hurt. - Mrhhome
Well spotted. I went through this point with my son when he was still 11. He understands that circular reasoning is false. Now you have to teach your in Laws the same, and if your wife does not know TTATT she will benefit also.
Kate xx
the unknown writer of the gospel of john put the following words in jesus' mouth, "blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.".
persuading countless generations that it is a virtue to believe incredible things on insufficient evidence, is one of religion's cleverest tricks.. the more incredible the claim; the more flimsy the evidence; the stronger the belief; the greater the virtue.. this is the exact opposite of how we operate in every other aspect of our lives.. rational people must demand objective evidence for everything they are asked to believe.
"extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence".. leaving the dogmatic claims of the watchtower is only a first step.
We are in danger as usual in a debate such as this of drowning in a Sea of Semantics.-phizzy
Lol! That's not dangerous phizzy, it's entertaining, and it's typical of JWN. Enjoy!
The term....
"rational people must demand......"-cofty
......is inappropriate to me. Agressive people demand things not rational people. Rational people are more assertive than agressive in my experience and are able to communicate in ways that do not intimaidate others.
We all want to view ourselves as rational. You are right phizzy, it's all semantics.
Kate xx
so the "model" presentation for this months latest awake mag is this (as found in the latest kingdom ministry):.
social networks have made it possible for people to have more so-called friends than ever before.
what would you say is the most important quality of a true friend?
I haven't read the article yet, I found a copy of the mag, thrown away in the train station. But my guess is that the article is pointing to Jehovah as your friend, which really means the GB. That's because Jehovah always keeps his promises. What nonesense!
I have read it now, I jumped to the wrong conclusion, but it did say it in the bible teach book that a friendship with Jehovah is the best friendship you could ever have.
Kate xx
i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.
i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.
i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.
Let's hope more and more articles like this are published-CBG
It was published by PinkNews, a predominantly gay paper, shame it hasn't hit the mainstream papers. The media are just not that interested in JWs as a religion. The papers always mention blood and paedo issues but not much else, like the shunning and blind obedience to men. We live in hope hey
Kate xx
i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.
i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.
i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.
Doc,
Exactly one of my points, it's so infuriating that they publicly show they cannot make decisions for themselves and are all being controlled by WT. It's a cult!
Kate xx
http://abcnews.go.com/us/wirestory/12-year-wisconsin-girls-stab-friend-19-times-23959855.
sound familiar?.
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I always wonder how you do that if they are online using their friends' computers at their friends house when their parents are gone or also inattentive?-Blondie
I think it's less about policing and more about showing a genuine interest in our childrens interests on the internet and spending time with them to build a core set of values. We need to be talking about the internet with them, not watching them when their on it.
Kate xx
