Posts by KateWild

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How did you teach your kids TTATT? How old were they?

by KateWild in

when i first started going on "other" jw websites my head was spinning so i didn't say anything to my kids about what i had read.

steve hassan's material helped a lot it was when i read that, that i realised i need to free my kids.. i got a lot of advice from jwn too.. my daughter had moved cities and went to the hall we used to visit frequently.

things changed when she became a member instead of just a visitor.

KateWild

I started this topic because someone asked me the question. I was interested how other did it too, both with dependant children and adult children living alone.

Anyone?

Kate xx

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New Leaflet to give to JW about TTATT

by TJ Curioso in

hi to all my fellows "apostates" in all world... especially in e.u.a.

and uk.. as some of you already know, ex-jw in portugal created a leaflet especialy to send to jw in all the country (individualy or to congregations).

we must say that it was a sucess from the point of view of the impact originated.

KateWild

Good work TJ, do you know if any JWs left or are doubting due to this leaflet?

Kate xx

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I just noticed this tactic

by problemaddict in

in reading terrys latest post, if made me think of something that exists and many of us have experienced but i have not really put into a logical thoughts process before.

in terrys 4 facts everyone should know about jw's, the second one referrs to the walsh trial where unity is said to be more important than truth, in no uncertain terms.. this made me think about how one would bring up this fact.

my mind wandered to the beginning of my fade, when inevitably, many of us open up our mouths and say too much.

KateWild

This is called information control. It's part of the BITE model. In WT they only have limited control. We got out and so have countless others, live with hope. Kate xx

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I am on the edge of a freak out ..... I think???

by DATA-DOG in

jw
friends

so the rc really sucked, but i made it through.

the propaganda was mind blowing.

i don't know if the crap will be available on the official website or not, but hopefully it gets leaked somehow.

KateWild

Ahhh DD,

I echo what everyone else has said. I feel for you mister. Try and teach your daughter critical thinking skills. How indoctrinated is she really? You might be pleasantly suprised like I was with my daughter. Work on your daughter first I say, before she gets baptised. She's not baptised is she?

Kate xx

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Does WT use intellectual intimidation in publications?

by KateWild in

when i first learned ttatt, i read loads all at once and tried to absorb everything.

then i slowed down evaluated my priorities and took one step at time.

now my kids know ttatt and i have set some goals in life, i am ready to take on my next project in my deprogramming.. intellectual intimidation.

KateWild

The only protection is knowing the techniques of mind-control and manipulation and recognizing when someone is trying to use them on you.-Oub

Yes I agree I have read Combating Cult Mind Control. He speaks of the BITE model, also jwfacts.com refers to it too. I think all school children aged 12-18 should be taught this, it will give them much protection.

I see some posters perspective that WT publications are basic level, so they do not appear to be intellectually intimidating. I agree the majority of material is not a high standard accademically.

Thanks guys for all your posts.

Kate xx

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How did you teach your kids TTATT? How old were they?

by KateWild in

when i first started going on "other" jw websites my head was spinning so i didn't say anything to my kids about what i had read.

steve hassan's material helped a lot it was when i read that, that i realised i need to free my kids.. i got a lot of advice from jwn too.. my daughter had moved cities and went to the hall we used to visit frequently.

things changed when she became a member instead of just a visitor.

KateWild

When I first started going on "other" JW websites my head was spinning so I didn't say anything to my kids about what I had read. Steve Hassan's material helped a lot it was when I read that, that I realised I need to free my kids.

I got a lot of advice from JWN too.

My daughter had moved cities and went to the hall we used to visit frequently. Things changed when she became a member instead of just a visitor. When she was 20 yrs I used phrases with her such as..........................

"You are really good at making your own decisions and thinking for yourself"

"I don't want you to end up having any regrets in life"

"A good man is a blessing to find, I don't want you to end up single like so and so"

"I have been on "other" JW sites, what do you think?"

Looking back she doesn't even remember me saying those phrases, I was doing it sparingly. She left a month before she actually told me, she watched a youtube about the mishandling of child abuse and knew TTATT straight away, she got me to watch it with her, and when I told her I knew everything she was so relieved. Two months after she left she started seeing a boy from work. They are engaged now, I am so glad she did not fall for a JW. Phew!!!!!!!!!!!

My son was 11yrs when I taught him TTATT. First I read with him Paul Grundy's life story from jwfacts.com. But I cut and pasted it on word so he wouldn't see the site. As we were reading it together he said.................

"Mum, is he an apostate?"

I said "What do you think?"

He said "No"

He wanted to carry on reading. When he finished reading, we started reading jwsurvey together as well, and I taught him how to critically think about WT articles. We read at his pace as much as he wanted to read. He says he is now an atheist. Sadly he goes to all the meetings with his dad, and has not been allowed to see me for 6 months. He has been RI'd as an unbaptised publisher without his permission, he is being forced to be a JW, but his mind is protected thankfully. He used to actively participate 2/3 time a meeting, he never participates now. He is out mentally.

How about you?

How did you teach your kids TTATT? How old were they?

Kate xx

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The Truth is Within You

by cassuk11 in

humankind has for centuries sought truth outside of themselves.

the soupmix of teaching ,ideas,philosophies and religious dogma had failed to see that the truth is within and if we seek ,knock and ask we find it within us.

the truth is that we are all light and pure love and that is buried deep within alll the layers upon layers which are being stripped away to reveal the true inner self .

KateWild

Cassuk11 should open his own website for his preaching-Doc

He has a youtube, I listned to one of his sermans. I gave a review if you're interested on this thread. Kate xx

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/280560/5/The-Great-Crowd#.U5XjPvldW8A

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Being a JW Used to Be Fun :-)

by snowbird in

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friends

we found some people who were happy to welcome us into their homes, even offering us food and drink.. sometimes, they would flag us down and ask for the magazines, walk miles to the kh meetings, come to our defense if someone got ugly or rude.. now, jw's are either routinely ignored or outright vilified.. no one respects them anymore.. sad.. .

KateWild

Before the CD sets in and you learn TTATT, being a JW is fun no matter what era it is. We are in lala WT Land, with rose coloured glsses. We have a huge circle of true friends and we can trust everyone. Sadly for child abuse victims, and victims of DV, the CD sets in quicker and perhaps those ones don't have the same memories of WT la la land.

When we are asleep to TTATT, it's easier to be happy and think it's fun.

Kate xx

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Is WT guided by holy Spirit? Trolley witnessing. What's your experience?

by KateWild in

i was out trolley witnessing today.

i specifically wanted to ask jws about holy spirit, and how it guides them.. i had someone with me as usual, so jws had to be polite and answer my questions.

as we approached the trolley, an elder from my kh was there, just recently moved in.

KateWild

Heaven, I missed your post, so funny. Thanks. Kate xx

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Does WT use intellectual intimidation in publications?

by KateWild in

when i first learned ttatt, i read loads all at once and tried to absorb everything.

then i slowed down evaluated my priorities and took one step at time.

now my kids know ttatt and i have set some goals in life, i am ready to take on my next project in my deprogramming.. intellectual intimidation.

KateWild

Kate I do see the continual attempt to undermine anyones belief in their own intellegence.-nonjw

Thanks for that. It's another way they keep control over JWs. Kate xx