jg, that was beautiful. Thankyou. I will go out and share your philosophy and gift of love with the world today. And your gift for words, I can only dream.
Deb
i avoid newspapers and search out eyes.
i bumble my way on to hoarded subway seats.
my plump bottom overspills it?s share of seat, as i breathe warm and fuzzy greetings in to my startled neighbour?s face.
jg, that was beautiful. Thankyou. I will go out and share your philosophy and gift of love with the world today. And your gift for words, I can only dream.
Deb
many religious folks, including fundamentalists, moderates and liberals, from a multitude of faiths, including jehovah?s witnesses, claim that homosexuals, bisexuals and trans-gendered individuals are abominations in the eyes of god.
they believe these people are sinners of the worst sort, that their behavior is a perversion, is evil, dangerous and a threat to society, the family and/or ?family values.?
these poor souls are going to be punished in some way by god for their choices and behavior ?
CP,
If there is a god I don't think he hates. And in my humble opinion homosexuals would not deserve to be hated even if he did. I am waiting for the day when the subject of homosexuality is no longer a subject. I mean, do people make an issue of other stuff that people are and do?
My sister is an artist, this makes her react to her environment in a way that is entirely different from the way I as a non-artist react to the same environment. Its who she is. She sees and feels color and light in a certain way, other than my envy for her ability to see and create beauty, I don't really feel it is a "subject" it just is.
I hope I am saying this in a way you understand, I don't even know for sure if I understand it. I mean I hope that someday people will figure out that homosexuality is just another way of being. It contributes to the world no more or less than any other way of being. But until we all get it, it kind of has to be a subject.
Hmmm, maybe like women getting the vote in this country. At one time this was a big subject and was discussed and argued about and it was an issue. Now we don't go around thinking and arguing about it. Obviously women should vote and own property and inherit and do all of the other things that they do, its just not a subject anymore.
My sincere hope is that homosexuality will someday be relegated to the "what was the big deal pile". The whole subject of equal rights for homosexuals belongs in the history books with Orvill and Wilbur-what do you mean people can fly? Are you telling me that there was once a time when this was a big deal? Geeze, how stupid did people used to be?
Deb
i haven't posted in a while.
there is good reason for it.
i have been in counseling again.
Geeze Jesika, your sperm doner was a sick puppy!! Sorry about the sperm doner but I can't bring myself to call that person your Father, he does not deserve that title. I absolutely agree that it was sexual abuse. And to the person who said it can't be about how the victim felt, what are you thinking about?
It is completely about how the victim feels. And age does matter. When our children are infants we change their diapers and clean them up. They have no privacy, we take little nudey photos of them as infants and I doubt anyone would call that sexual behavior. But we don't take those photos of older children because that would be sexual exploitation.
What was done to you Jesika was exactly what you say it is and it took courage and strength of character for you to tell. If I was wearing a hat I would take it off to you. Keep up the good work!!!!
My love to you,
Deb
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i consider all who post here as my family.we have all been hurt in some way.my brother died today.. blueblades,who has six sisters left.mom,dad,one sister and two brothers died.i'm the only man in the family now.
Blueblades,
I am so very sorry. I have lost a brother too, I know how painful it is. The whole first year after losing a loved one is very tough, culminating in the first anniversary-which is also tough. I very much believe that there is something after and that it is something good. I can't say I know what it is, but I believe it is there. It has been four years since I lost Perry and I think of him often and I tell him how much I loved and still do love him and I think he knows.
Talk to your brother and tell him everything you need to say. He will know. Send your love to him and I send mine to you
Deb
i'm a loonie, but it seems that i've been dealing with some pretty severe waves of depression lately.
her majesty the czarina went on prozac last month and it was working wonderfully, until suddenly last week she suddenly had a bad day, and then another, and then another... it's been a week now and we're both in the blahs.
and my one co-worker had an anxiety attack and is kind of blah now, too.. anyway, that makes three people i know of who are having a bad time.
Well I certainly have. But I know that part of my problem is due to some family stuff going on. I posted my poor me thread and got a healthy dose of caring. Fixed me right up. But I had already dealt with the depression as a whole and so I was just going through a bout of it. I knew that and asked for and received what I needed. My thanks to all. And what is this about Hamas being banned, is that true? Is there anyway to reach him through the board if that is the case?
Deb
What made me leave "the truth"? The fact that it is actually "the lie". That's the short answer. The long one is basically the realization that the whole thing is just plain made up. The publication that came out in the late 80's to explain the book of Revelation is what finally pushed me over the edge. As I read it I realized that the explanations put forth in the book just simply could not be backed up or verified in any way.
Read the article by Stephan Cox that analyzes the concept of truth. You will have to go back into some old threads to find out the name of the journal it is in, I can't find my copy right now and I have to get ready for work soon. I've been meaning to start a thread about that. The basic idea, at least to me is that you have to define "truth" before you can decide what truth is.
The definition of truth is that it must be verifiable. Pretty simple, yes? That being the case, how in bloody hell can the WT possibly call their version of reality "the truth". Their convulted line of reasoning (it's a stretch to call it a line of reasoning) just simply doesn't hold up. Of course any religion based on a god you cannot see takes a leap of faith, but the WT requires more of a leap than many, including me can take.
There is so much to say here. The WT speaks against "interpretation" of scripture, but they do it. The WT speaks against "religion" but they are one.
Of all things to say about themselves, calling their religion "the truth" is most regretable. It is regretable for many reasons. When you say something is the truth you are implying that:
1. EVERTHING else if false. (I use the word everything because they try to encompass all aspects of faith, life and culture.)
2. What you say can be verified
Another problem is that truth doesn't change. If it's an apple today it will be an apple tomorrow. That is truth. But the WT has invented an entire culture, encompassing everything that is a part of culture. Included in that are: language, dress, food, social norms, child rearing practice and many more. In calling their belief system "the truth" they leave no margin for error. Example: In the early days of U.S. culture, slavery was practiced and deemed a good social and economic system. It got things done and built a nation. But there was a back door. Slavery was not part of the almighty "truth". It was bad and was gotten rid of.
The WT can and will not root out the bad because it is "truth".
For Dr. Cox, I have quoted and paraphrased you and my thanks to you. Your writing has helped me to more fully understand myself and my beliefs.
Deb
has anyones jw friends or family ever spotted anyone on here who shouldnt be and reported you or confronted you?
how did they work out it was you?
how did you take it, and if you were in good standing at the time, what counsel did you receive?
Nope. But sometimes I wonder if any JW's I know lurk here. If they do and it makes them curious and want take a step out and examine their beliefs that is great. If it make them hate me even more, here's the old bronx cheer for them.
Deb
greetings from western wi, the land of great clouds of freaking lady beetles.
they have been swarming here this week.
unbelievable.
Greetings from western WI, the land of great clouds of freaking lady beetles. They have been swarming here this week. Unbelievable. They were imported some years back to control aphids on crops and I guess they got out of control. Little buggers bite and by the time you get from car to house you are covered with them. Yuk
Deb
have you ever tried to explain to someone who has no religious leaning how you once truly believed that you could live forever and that now you are no longer a jw that certainty is gone, and how hard that is to deal with at times?.
the look of disbelief and pity that you get in return.. maybe thats partly why we need to talk so often to other xjw's.
whats been your experiences.. anglise
Angelise,
I know exactly what you mean. It's pretty funny when you think about it. I've tried so many times to tell my never-been-JW hubby about it. He has tried to wrap his brain around it, but the look on his face tells me he just can't to it.
Deb
my jw girlfriend called me this morning to tell me she watched "the guardian" last night and there was a hospital scene where the main character brought the patient a magazine.
she opened it and said "oh, you brought me a watchtower".
then they talked about how she was going to die and would see her baby soon, which my friend took for their alluding to the resurrection.. .
I love the guardian, God he is a sexy man. Anyway, I felt like he brought her the magazine as a joke, sort of an icebreaker, because when she thought he was a JW at the door she didn't want to talk to him.
Deb