PLEASE tell us where you got this.... funny stuff. I havent laughed all day.. and that just did the trick
badolputtytat
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HELP ME...
by POOH ini am posting this so that other jw will help me to figure out what i need to do.
my husband was born and raised as a jehovahs witness.
when we got married he never metioned it to me.
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badolputtytat
ok... Northern Girl... when you return and check this... will you answer one question please, no rush I can check it later...
Question: What do believe about GOD? I don't mean "list the doctrines and scriptures you were taught".. I mean... What do YOU believe GOD is? (no quotes or scriptures please) What do YOU believe GOD wants from people? Forget about "religion".... I mean GOD... remember God? The one who was here before all the protocol, and doctrines and time cards that you fill out for going house-to-house.
Again, no confrontation, this is an honest question that I ask of all Jw's. Most reply with the same re-hearsed answers they were taught. Just tell me everything that comes to your mind when you think of that wich dwells in the heavens. That wich is greater than ourselves.
It is my personal belief that THIS QUESTION and its answer, when truly shared with each other, can help everyone come to an understanding and tolerant view of each other. BUT to date, I get very few honest answers....
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HELP ME...
by POOH ini am posting this so that other jw will help me to figure out what i need to do.
my husband was born and raised as a jehovahs witness.
when we got married he never metioned it to me.
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badolputtytat
Northern Girl, I guess I never said "hi"... so welcome... regaurdless of what you feel right now, you have taken the first step. YOU are HERE, getting the OTHER side of the story. You seem like an intelligent, well spoken person.
As far as Simon "giving you the boot"... wont happen... unlike SOME organizations ... I think Simon is open to hearing EVERYBODY's opinion. I have never known him to "boot" someone for an opinion, provided it isn't hurtful or plain ol nasty.
I wish you all the luck in the world, and I hope you will stay with this site, even after you are re-instated if that is the path you choose. Most of the people here are very open to hearing what you have to say, as long as you leave the "my way is the ONLY way" attitude at the door. I for one, would be more than interested in knowing your reasons for wanting so badly to be back in. Just curiosity,,, I wish no confrontation...
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HELP ME...
by POOH ini am posting this so that other jw will help me to figure out what i need to do.
my husband was born and raised as a jehovahs witness.
when we got married he never metioned it to me.
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badolputtytat
I don't see any deception on the part of Simon. The "home" or "title" page to this site, has a list of folders, and next to each folder is a description and title of one or more recent posts. One sub-heading includes "apostafest get togethers", one folder mentions abuse. One mentions analyzing the watchtower. (we know truly analyzing the Watchtower is forbidden).
Besides even after you "sign up" for the site... regaurdless of whether you took the time to find out more... An individual choice must be made EACH TIME you log onto this site. In the year that I have been a member I have NEVER recieved an unsolicited e-mail, or spam promoting this board, OR trying to push any opinion on me.
Further on the subject of Deception: I am forced to agree with Refiners fire.... Sometimes deception is necessary. I myself am decieving the JW's right now. This Identity I have now on this site is a "secondary" Identity. I attend meetings, assemblies, bible studies. I am gathering all the "ammo" that I can. (dont let the georgia thing try to clue you in... I travel often) Having been raised a dub, I know all the proper things to say, and do. I am very good at it. They will not beat me.
You see, I intend to rescue my mother and sister from this thing. They will fight me all the way. If I have to single handedly deceive and manipulate these people to do this, then they are a casualty of their own creation. I WILL succeed. I have truth on my side. I do not hate anyone, or mean harm to anyone. I only want what is mine.
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HELP ME...
by POOH ini am posting this so that other jw will help me to figure out what i need to do.
my husband was born and raised as a jehovahs witness.
when we got married he never metioned it to me.
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badolputtytat
"I would be very happy to be in such a position; I was df'd many years ago for smoking. I've quit smoking for nearly 2 years now but being reinstated requires attending meetings while everybody shuns you and I'm just not capable of accepting this treatment. Oh well ......"
I would gladly give my life to save yours. The above statement stabbed me in the chest like a knife. I feel terrible that you think this little of yourself.... that they made you think this little of yourself. Please re-think this.... I am not saying don't do what YOU believe is right.... but please, do re-consider this train of thought. First of all I am sure you would NOT be happy if you were in this situation... You said yourself you cannot accept this treatment. I am sorry, but the "treatment" won't change like the prophecies do.
Hold your head up. If you believe in this religion, then follow it. But do NOT accept this treatment. Your lungs will do you no good, if you cannot laugh, cannot say what you feel, cannot stand up for yourself.
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How far does the shunning go for you, by your JW parents or children?
by LyinEyes inmy dad is a jw, trying to reach out to be an elder again......also pioneering.
i saw my cousin , his nephew , the other nite at the dance club......i told him i havent seen my dad, nor heard from him in almost 2 years.
he said he saw him a while back but that he heard he moved.. last time i talked to my dad, it was over me not going to the circuit assembly he was trying to get me to go to.
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To THOSE who believe these are NEGATIVE comments: Almost NONE of the statements on this site can truly be called "negative". We like to call them: fact based truths. Most of the statements are not a matter of OPINION, but rather EXPERIENCE.
To call a black sheep "black" is not a racist negative statement. To call the WTBTS a controlling cult based on fiction, is not an attack. Rather, it is what we all came in search of when we came upon the Watchtower.... The TRUTH.
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The Silliness of "Neutrality' and "Pagan Customs"
by metatron inthe watchtower engages in commerce, sells stock thru brokerages, trains or retains lawyers, uses 'blame the victim'.
tactics in court, protests to various governments, seeks tax exemptions, holds millions of dollars in banks and .
constantly fends off lawsuits in legal actions.. yet, somehow they are "no part of the world" ??????.
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I Agree. The "no part of the world" bit, is an excuse. And like all their other excuses is always molded to fit their motives.
It is all a part of the scare tactic. Keep their sons and daughters locked up away from anyone who can share a little TRUTH. I believe the origins of the "bread and wine" also has "pagan" origins ("pagan" being a very broad label). I think it represents two of the elemental "kingdoms" as followed by "pagan" belief. Bread representing EARTH, and wine representing WATER, (the other two elements are FIRE and AIR, and some structures follow a fifth element doctrine)
I have often wondered why their RELIGOUS structure (despite this "no part" statement) is basically the same as any other religion. There is a "church", a minister or leader, and a congregation that meets basically on the same days, and nights as a baptist congregation. Of course the "collection" plate is replaced with an "at your convenience" box at the back of the hall, where you can be SEEN making your dutiful contribution.
The art (as mentioned a million times) in their publications is almost exact re-productions of "worldly" publications.
And of course their appearance.... I have also asked myself in my day of the dub, Why do "we" try so hard to look like everybody else? Three piece suit, hair cut right out GQ, beautiful Kingdom Halls (with the funny smell). I thought Jesus was against all of these things? When do we get to the part where we are NOT like the REST of the world?
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How far does the shunning go for you, by your JW parents or children?
by LyinEyes inmy dad is a jw, trying to reach out to be an elder again......also pioneering.
i saw my cousin , his nephew , the other nite at the dance club......i told him i havent seen my dad, nor heard from him in almost 2 years.
he said he saw him a while back but that he heard he moved.. last time i talked to my dad, it was over me not going to the circuit assembly he was trying to get me to go to.
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In 1996 I battled colon cancer(and won)... but for a period of time, there was question about whether I would live. When I reached the lowest point, and surgery was the only answer; I was told there was a 70% chance I would not come off of the operating table.
I sent a heartfelt letter to my father. In a moment of weakness and fear, I asked him to comfort me. To be there with me. Two weeks later I went into the operating room having had no response from him. When I recovered.... I found a post-card laying in the ditch by my mail-box. It was worn and had been rained on. It had only one sentence. "My son is dead"
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A question for jw knowabouts - oldest archaelogical evidence ?
by A Paduan insaw this on another thread
*** w54 8/15 511 questions from readers ***
the traditional picture of jesus shows him with long hair and beard, but the watch tower publications illustrate him as beardless and with short hair.
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I checked the directory... There was a barber shop at the corner of Jerusalem St. and Main. Of course with all his travels on foot....he could only get in to see the barber once a month.
As for the beard, he carried a Norelco shaver in his shirt pocket.
I know, this is an absurd suggestion. Ya think? But I have never been able to get a straigt answer to this either.
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HELP ME...
by POOH ini am posting this so that other jw will help me to figure out what i need to do.
my husband was born and raised as a jehovahs witness.
when we got married he never metioned it to me.
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badolputtytat
I am sorry to hear about another situation like this. Foremost: Educate yourself completely on the Witnesses. When they speak or read to you, learn ABOUT them, not FROM them.
You will find that NOTHING they do is out-right. There is always a back door they slip into. A smile or kind word, is ALWAYS a means to "get started" with you.
The dangers of your situation: This organization abides by archaic ideals about marriage. Your husband is YOUR head. If you disagree with him or point out any falsehoods, he is within his "rights" to bring you before a council of elders. Your behaviour will NOT be tolerated, as it is his "christian duty" to instruct/correct/punish you.
If your husband becomes a fully Active JW, then I am sorry to be blunt with you... But you may as well get yourself a good attorney. Your husband will tell you that all the people on this site are people with grudges and people out to destroy Jehovah's plan. I know... you love your husband dearly... but keep reading some of the older posts and you will find so many people thought they could trust their loved ones, with their children, with their feelings, with their fragile emotions.
Dont take anyone's word for it.. here or anywhere else... See for yourself. If you take my word for it.. there will always be doubt in your mind. Bluntly ask him what he would do if you chose not to associate with JW's.... pay no attention to his answer. The elders will work him over, any loyalty he thought he had to YOU will be quickly dis-membered. He will be contstantly reminded that you are some sort of lost sheep. Their "brain washing" techniques are proven methods. They will "feel sorry" for him because his mate will not accept the "truth". It will be an emotional thing for him, and he will be made to feel that he has a whole organization (and god) on his "side", protecting him from ... YOU.