She doesn't know what she's getting in to. Dare her to show you how the FDS was appointed in 1919 using only the Bible. It's impossible. Look up John Gills expostion of the bible and consider the commentary for the verse. Dare her to justify a literal FDS and a hypothetical evil slave using only the Bible.
kneehighmiah
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Preparing for my next visit from my Elderette - Who (or what) is the Faithful & Discreet Slave, and why do JW's worship and follow a slave?
by Faithful Witness inshe is coming tomorrow afternoon, and i do plan to have a coherent mind and much better concentration this time.
i was suffering from hypoglycemia last time she made a surprise visit, and i was foggy and literally could not comprehend a simple sentence i was reading.
our plans are to discuss the topic of the fds.
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The Watchtower is under siege from inside and outside
by suavojr inthat is the reason the watchtower leaders are desperately trying to protect their indoctrinated supporters from being influenced by the critics.. it will get harder and harder to recruit in countries where the internet is easily accessible...the watchtower has no control over the public like it does the indoctrinated jws.
..any interested person can very easily google and learn the truth about the watchtower cult before a 'return visit' can be made.
although most jws would be afraid to go into 'apostate ' sites, more and more are waking up to the truth about the watchtower , their interest triggered by different reasons such as the child abuse cover up, the constantly changing doctrines,the downsizing etc.
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kneehighmiah
Hey JWfacts, can you post hte numbers about how many hours it takes to get a new person baptized? If possible can you determine if this number of hours is higher in western lands compared to the worldwide average? I believe these numbers will show how the org is slowly dying. Many religions have come and gone throughout the 20th century. Just because JWs made it for 100 years doesn't mean they will last forever without significant changes. Totalitarian governments tend to be short lived. In the grand scheme of things 100 years is a very short time. The WT will fade away within 30 years. There are no intelligent young people to take charge and the failed prophecies will be fully evident. Something new will take its place.
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A letter from my Mom
by ateograciasadios infriends,.
i have seen several posts like the following, and never thought i would have to write one myself, but here we go: my dear mom is forcing me to make a move... one that i have been really avoiding as much as possible.
she wrote me an email today, and here i am giving you an idea of its contents.
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kneehighmiah
1st of all I doubt you can talk to JR brown directly. You can talk to his office though. But here's a trick. Call his office pretending to be a "worldly" person and ask them if JWs shun relatives. They will lie and say no. Record this conversation and send to your mom. ask other questions and they will lie about them also. ask if only JWs receive salvation and ask if the GB is inspired. The answers they will give to both questions is no. If they were to answer yes to these questions they would appear to be a cult so they will say no. Tell your mom that according to the media office she is not supposed to shun you.
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Not All Anointed Ones Alive Today Are Part Of 'This generation'
by OwnAccord inwhere do they come up with this stuff?.
this is a topic on 'the other site'.
i actually called our bethel ny branch and talked to a brother on the writing committee, at writing correspondence.
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kneehighmiah
They don't actually believe that. No intelligent person would believe that Jesus meant that. As soon as I read that new teaching scales fell from my eyes.
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KM School for Elders Only in 2015 Service Year
by NotBlind injust heard this at the meeting last night - km school for elders only to be held between november 11th and january 11th.
it will be one day (8 hours) and will likely be an update on the new org.
changes being fired out, likely judicial in nature also..
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kneehighmiah
Haha. I'm glad I don't have to go this time. Had to miss football.
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Removing DO's Will Be a Fatal Mistake
by kneehighmiah inhere is an article i looked up about the collapse of the soviet union.
striking similarities.. http://www.worldology.com/europe/europe_articles/causes_soviet_collapse.htm.
stagnating economy: the soviet union had grown to a size large enough to the point where it became cumbersome to continue state planning.
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kneehighmiah
Forgot this one.
Reduced Motivation of Fear: Friendlier relations with the U.S. in the 70s, 80s meant that the general public was no longer completely motivated to strengthen itself against the American threat.
The Apostate is the great JW enemy. But fear of apostates is shrinking. Many JW are ignoring warnings and viewing apostate teachings from their computers. Stating that you don't believe in the GB will not get you hauled into a comittee anymore, unless of course you tell the elders. Your secret will be safe amongst friends, though they might distance themselves.
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Removing DO's Will Be a Fatal Mistake
by kneehighmiah inhere is an article i looked up about the collapse of the soviet union.
striking similarities.. http://www.worldology.com/europe/europe_articles/causes_soviet_collapse.htm.
stagnating economy: the soviet union had grown to a size large enough to the point where it became cumbersome to continue state planning.
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kneehighmiah
Here is an article I looked up about the collapse of the soviet union. Striking similarities.
http://www.worldology.com/Europe/Europe_Articles/causes_soviet_collapse.htm
Stagnating Economy: The Soviet Union had grown to a size large enough to the point where it became cumbersome to continue state planning. The massive and intricate Soviet economy became too large to manage by state planners, who were unwilling to enable more autonomy at mid-managerial level to remain responsive down to a localized level. This resulted in failed economic policies (failure to respond timely to continuous changes), while thwarting innovation. Managers commonly fudged numbers to show that quotas and goals were being met.
The recent changes show that the org is failing to allow autonomy at the congregational level. They just stripped away a crucial level of autonomy. The intense levels of micro-management will be their undoing. The local elders have already been turned into unfeeling robots. Now the GB has projected themselves directly into the Kindgom Halls and Assembly halls with modern technology. This gives them the illusion of control. However, many people aren't buying it anymore. Not surprisingly the International Conventions have created a small rebellion.
Glasnost: With the Soviet public becoming more disenchanted with their secretive government, Gorbachev attempted to compensate by committing to openness and transparency with the media. However, this backfired as the public learned of long-standing political cover ups revealing past and recent atrocities, missteps by leadership, social and health failures of the USSR and the true extent of national economic problems. This further eroded support for the regime.
Cherynobyl Disaster: The nuclear power plant accident in the Ukraine town of Cherynobyl. It was initially covered up by the Soviet government, compounding the health crisis, while further sowing the seeds of distrust within the constituency, as the extent of the disaster and the cover-up came to light.
The secretive nature of the organization will soon be blown wide open. The sex abuse lawsuits will be a cherynobyl of sorts. People will no longer trust leadership. Any last minute reforms made by the GB will just lead to people in the West leaving in record numbers.
Lack of Economic Incentives: The state-planned economic system did not provide sufficient incentives to encourage innovation and ambitious productivity.
This will be a killer. With the false promise of the end being fully realized, there is no reason to resign yourself to a lifetime of slaving for the WT. All JW children have to look forward to is a life of door knocking and kingdom hall building. More and more children are defecting upon reaching adulthood, depleting the organization of compassionate caring people.
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Shared some TTATT with my wife and now she wants us to have a weekly personal bible study
by suavojr inhere is the situation.... a young 19 year old in our congo had a fallout with his parents because of all the restrictions and jw dogma and moved out of the house last wednesday.. to make the story short, the parents went running to the elders and what was the comfort?.
coe said: i saw that coming!
your son never reached out to get baptized.. then the other elder said: don't worry, you still have one left that will be saved.
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kneehighmiah
Read Galatians in its entirety. Will immediately erase all the stupid guilt.
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The Organization is expanding so much........
by DATA-DOG in...that district overseers are now being used as circuit overseers!!
that was a comment at the wt study program.
another great comment was this: " you can go to bethel and have zero skills.
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kneehighmiah
At least I have honest JW's in my cong. We all agreed it was an obvious downsizing move. Others have heard rumors that not enough young people are reaching out. Some circuits don't even have an official CO and are being serviced by substitutes. The old DOs can now step in and fulfill these roles instead of them searching for new people.
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First Post...Hi everyone! Thanks for all of your help over the years!
by stuckinarut2 inwell... as they say on talk back radio "i'm a long time listener, first time caller"(poster in this case!).
i have been a "lurker" for several years, but never had the courage to take the step and join up...until now.. i really want to thank everyone for their insights and comments throughout the forum.
although i have not contibuted to discussions, i have benefitted very much from all of your comments and observations on all topics.
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kneehighmiah
Joined within the last 6 months myself. Still stuck in, but mentally free. No stupid guilt. Waiting for the oppurtunity to be truly free. Don't worrry there are even elders and other MS on here.