Posts by Frank75

i'm not criticizing anyone's decision to da themselves...just wondering what the advantages are.. if the whole da thing is something made up by the gb why make them happy by playing by their rules?

how are they hurt by your decision?

why not just walk away?

Frank75

I chose not to DA because it was like we were married to Watchtower and we were not. I was baptized prior to 85 when you all of a sudden became a WT member by baptism.

Part of my argument when I went to the JC was just that. (I went only to hear who my accusers where, it turned out to be my Mom, yup one witness) Since I was baptized before everyone on the JC what I said to them was shocking. I was Baptized as a sign of dedication to God and repentance and I showed them the WT article that said so. I asked them, when did I ever become an official member? What was the ceremony then if it wasn't my baptism?

Of course none of that matters when they want you out and use your "death" to keep everyone else in line.

It doesn't really matter what you do. Everyone does what is right for them. I made my choice based on my circumstances and the following prophetic scripture:

John 16:2 They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God. 3 They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me. 4 I have told you this, so that when the time comes you will remember that I warned you.

Like I learned over 35 years in the witness community, Jehovah's Witnesses are the reestablishment of 1st Century Judaism LOL!

Frank75

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Favourite Biblical verses

by greendawn in

did you have any favourite biblical verses as jws or after leaving?

for me it was: "everyone believing in me will have eternal life" as spoken by jesus.

Frank75

I John 2:27 And as for you, the anointing that you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to be teaching you, but one to be teaching you; but, as the anointing from him is teaching you about all things, and is true and is no lie ....

This was a text I shared with my elderly Mother in 2002. She asked me "what are you saying? That we don't need the Watchtower?"

I said, "Mom, I never wrote this, but it was John, the Apostle". Then I read her 1 Tim 3:16,17 "All Scripture..." and said if it is inspired and beneficial and completely equips us yadyada, then what place is there for the WT?

Anyway after that futile conversation I got a call from a local JW elder who wanted me to come to a JC. I agreed to come (beard and jeans) to see who my accusers were. Guess who my lone accuser was?

So they Df'd me on my own mothers testimony and yet victims of molestation are made to produce two witnesses!

Good to be out though isn't it?

Frank75

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Has a brother ever screwed you?

by noontide in

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i was always very cautious with worldly people but of course i trusted everyone in the congregation 100%.

i trusted someone from the congregation with a business deal and got raked over the coals.

its a long and frustrating story, suffice it to say it cost me a lot of anguish, time and money.

Frank75

YES!

Too many to list. Luckily my father was screwed big time and so taught us to be cautious with "brothers". Although he is inactive and still pines away for the dub religion and defends it, he still hangs on to the file folder that has IOU's, NSF checks and loan agreements totaling well over $100k! (luckily for us not him)

Even still I sold my share in a family business to my older brother who not only screwed me out of about $15k (monthly payments after the initial bulk payout) but also screwed me out of the last 3 months pay of about $15k

Would have no problem suing him for it but he is a black hole when it comes to money and who has judgments against him for far more. ($2,000,000 from one of his partners in the deal)

Recently he bought a house with my JW mother (parents are divorced). She put in $200k and he put in $0 but somehow convinced her to do a joint ownership 50/50. In amongst the papers to be signed on closing was a document giving him access to the equity. He then got a secured loan against the house for $180k, sucked it bone dry with nothing to show for it. She opened a bank statement to discover this in horror, confronted him, then moved out in protest.

This got my younger brother on the phone with me that is how I know the details. No one in my family except my dad have talked to me for years since we left the JW's and this scam of big bro brought my younger brother and his wife out to me to see if I would help get my mother her money back. They have since left the religion due in part to contacting me and he was recently DF'd. My mother who won't talk to me or return my phone calls is now penniless. Big brother (LOL) has convinced her that he is looking out for her best interests and she has accepted that although she hasn't moved back. It is a good thing she gets a decent pension here in Canada. But that just barely covers living expenses. "Devouring the houses of the widows" was a hallmark of the Jews. Mark 12:40

I have had witness employees who report time on the job like they report field service time! Very creatively! One employee reported 29 hours in one day. Literally within one day. When I asked him to give me the blow by blow of how his 29 hour day started and finished, he refused and threatened to report us to our one sided labor board here in Canada. I short paid him a nominal amount for the discrepancies and never heard back from him however his entire time sheet for that last pay period was a fantasy only possible in the mind of a JW.

Another JW employee stole a company van and equipment after I told him to report for an employment review. (Yes he was being canned) He didn't show up so I called him about 20 times until he answered. He said in a whisper that he would not return it unless we gave him $1000 cash. No cash and he would drive it into a ravine and crash it. The police wouldn't get involved because he had a key. So I involved the elders in his hall. They circled the wagons because I was not going to meetings or attending any congregation. I got the van back for $300 by going through the boys father who was the only one who seemed to be upset that his son did this. It still cost me $300 which was about what we owed him in pay for recent work. He was announced as a MS 2 weeks after the fiasco that ensued with him and the elders.

Another employee used his company credit card to fly his wife to Austria along with about $1300 spent there on meals and other things. Upon closer inspection he had defrauded our company of more than $70k and previous credit card statements revealed many personal and dubious purchases not reported by our bookkeeper (a relative of his). He said he would pay it back, quit and has avoided us ever since. My mistake was not going to the police.

Dubs are just as dishonest as anyone. Arguably a lot worse. There are probably several reasons why which all pretty much point back at the religion. The most common and likely reason for the theft and dishonesty IMHO is that witnesses for the most part live for today and do not aspire to good paying jobs and careers. As a result, many find it difficult to live a normal life on the modest incomes they earn. Deep in dept, many have good intentions of repaying what they borrow/owe but it becomes diffiCULT if not impossible for them. Because Dubs aren't supposed to sue each other and the elders hate getting in the middle of financial battles (unless it's for other reasons) it is easier to stiff the JW.

Frank75

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Intellectual dishonesty in the New Tract !

by AK - Jeff in

in reviewing the new tract i noticed some interesting dishonesty within;

on page three when the wts is describing 'false religion' riding on the back of the scarlet colored wild beast - they coyly refer to the beast as ' the world's political powers*'

- the footnote reads " * for a detailed explanation of this subject, see the book revelation - its grand climax at hand published by jehovah's witnesses.

Frank75

These above quotes clearly show that the WT has indeed backed away from its stance towards the UN as an organization choosing to finger members of it (miltary or otherwise) or simply political elements of the world instead.

Frank75

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Intellectual dishonesty in the New Tract !

by AK - Jeff in

in reviewing the new tract i noticed some interesting dishonesty within;

on page three when the wts is describing 'false religion' riding on the back of the scarlet colored wild beast - they coyly refer to the beast as ' the world's political powers*'

- the footnote reads " * for a detailed explanation of this subject, see the book revelation - its grand climax at hand published by jehovah's witnesses.

Frank75

I wonder who writes all that JW literature, the magazines and the books. It's hard to believe that it's those 12 men, some of them are hopelessly senile. Most likely it's the close associates but certainly none of the many anointed outsiders that are not part of the inner circle.

RF gives some detail about who presently writes for the WT in COC as at the time he left. He also shows that high ranking official visits to countries outside the USA never consisted of visiting with or obtaining the theological thoughts/writings of local "Anointed" JW's. (Usually looked at with distrust anyway by local witnesses)

Barbara Anderson a former writer/editor of the Awake and other publications also illuminates the writing strata of the WT at the following website:

http://www.freeminds.org/women/barbara_anderson.htm

Frank75

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

Frank75

I'm sure that with a little effort we can see this thread to 70 pages. I guess that did it!

Frank75

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

Frank75

I wonder how you got that pic.

http://www.tagnet.org/rousse/gallery/influence%20of%20satan.jpg

Frank75

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Parousia..Who won the Debate?

by OUTLAW in

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i think most of us read the debate between alanf and thirdwitness on the meaning and application of the word "parousia"..thirdwitness has endlessly claimed he won the debate..he dosen`t seem to realize there are more people here than him..lol!

!.....my question to the ladies and gentlemen of jw.com is:"who won the debate concerning the word "parousia" thirdwitness or alanf?

"..you decide...outlaw