"I witnesses a few questionable disfellowshipings"
There is never a justification for df'ing someone....it has to be one of the most sinister practices, right after gas chambers, and just ahead of water boarding.
Frank75
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Has a wrong disfellowshipping ever been reversed?
by lostnotfound inim not talking about simply being reinstated.
i remember hearing a story about a brother that was disfellowshipped because of the testimony of two false witnesses.
years passed before they admitted to lying about the brother and was reinstated.. what is policy in this sort of situation?
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The Cookie Doesn't Lie !
by Billy the Ex-Bethelite inso after dc yesterday, we went for chinese.
after the others read their rather boring fortunes from their fortune cookies, mine predicted:.
the next full moon brings an enchanting evening.. and you all know the two words to add to the end of the fortune, right?.
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"In Bed"......so the story goes
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Need help combatting disfellowshipping policy scripturally
by stuckinlimbo inhi i need some help to show that the scriptures used to uphold the disfellowshipping policy are actually only meant to apply to those that deny the christ blah blah.
not for me but someone close to me.
parents have disowned her.
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Frank75
Yeah...I wrote an essay on it once and will PM it to you if you like. However in the end, even the sincerest JW won't or has a hard time reconciling logic and scripture with what they are told either in the WT or by the elders....heck even some who have been kicked out for years, perhaps even here on JWD, still feel guilty and that it is for their own good.
Frank75
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And Canadian Eh Mouthy?
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Jehovah's Witnesses: not even wrong?
by slimboyfat inin school we had a goofy teacher who used to make fun of some of the wrong answers we would give.
if they were really bad his ultimate put down would be to say that our answer was "not even wrong".
little did i know at the time this is actually a technical term coined by a theoretical physicist for a statement that is not susceptible to falsification, we just took it to mean that our answer was very wrong indeed.. the more i move away from the jw mindset the more i find myself disagreeing, not only with the answers jws give on various issues, but the questions themselves that frame the debate.
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Frank75
Very well put.
After a lifetime of indoctrination at the hands of my parents, respected family friends and the Org., I came to see that the entire range of unique JW beliefs are in fact a big shell game and artful misdirection....as you point out, it isn't the belief per se but the framework of the belief, or the issue discussed.
There was an article not too many years back that showed loyalty to Jehober by 2 of the 12 returning spies of Canaan. As the article wound down, the loyalty that Joshua and Caleb showed in the face of prejudice from their peers and leadership at the beginning of article, was compared with loyalty RnF JW's show to the elders or the FDS/Society reps, "apt surrogates" for Jehober (one supposes). With everyone nodding their heads in acceptance. Even though the example of Joshua and Caleb was anything but what was being recommended.
The best course for those assessing their beliefs IMHO is to wipe the slate and start from scratch. JW beliefs, including Unitarian position are demonstrably flawed.
Frank75
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The Loving Disfellowshipping Arrangement
by headisspinning inmy youngest sister is the only person in my jw family who has had any real contact with my husband and i and our baby.
for the first year she cut us off too but then after a while she seemed to realize how horrible it was and she opened up to us.. well, she is very easily influenced by the family and so she cut us off again.
she tried to feed me the line about it being for our own good blah, blah, blah.. here is an excerpt from how i replied:.
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I am just scanning thru some of these threads and am intrigued by your journey. My wife and I were hard core as you mentioned. JW isn't the truth as you are discovering, it IS the emperor's new clothes or the Wizard of Oz come to life. All in good time, take it one day at a time and don't let go of your kids. Whatever you do will be twisted so do what you KNOW is in their best long term interests.
As far as the guilt, you don't need to feel guilty about anything, except maybe losing ground with your children and exes. People don't usually stray when they are happy and we all deserve to be happy. The experience in a cult like JW's is a unique one and only you know what got you from A-B in your present situation. So try to ignore the judgmental ramblings of those here who are still affected by the drachonian philosophies of the Watchtower and other fundies. You are free, or in the process of becoming such. You are miles beyond the 6 million mindless witnesses.
You will get a lot of help here. Cheers
Frank75
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All I can say about thr finale of "Lost" is...
by changeling inwtf???!!!.
they are all fucking dead!.
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Frank75
Figured they were all dead in season one....gave up on the BS in season 3.....They literally "lost" us!
Frank75
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Watchtower Letters to BOE exposed on You Tube about Child Abuse
by Frank75 ini don't know if these letters have been seen before, certainly some have discussed them.
but this you tube upload is short and sweet in exposing some confidential letters that show the two sides to wt speak.. cheers!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzrz4sgqs1y.
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I don't know if these letters have been seen before, certainly some have discussed them. But this You Tube upload is short and sweet in exposing some Confidential letters that show the two sides to WT speak.
Cheers! Frank75
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Who are they trying to Convince?
by Frank75 inrecently the father of one of my old jw friend's father, who was a holocaust survivor, died.....he was a devout jw but hated the bethel hierarchy and the pharisism in the watchtower, openly disagreed with published positions and defied the eldership.. he once lamented to me that the people who wanted his information and memorabilia from the nazi concentration camp "are apostate makers, teaching people to hate jehober and his organ....ization".....and "i will never get the stuff back".
anyway, you all know how jw funerals work.
they usually take weeks in order to schedule and drum up enough support to make it "an occasion".. although not always the case, the funeral is more or less an infomercial where the jw's use the time to further indoctrinate their unique beliefs.
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Adding the line "assured hope" makes it a certainty some how?
"My hope is beeter than yours because mine is assured"
More like tapping your ruby red slippers together 3 times saying "there is no place like the paradise, no place like.........."
Frank75
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Elder uses Congregation Bible Study as an opportunity to ban the movie Avatar
by easyreader1970 inlast night, during the congregation bible study, the conductor (overseer?
) used this as a platform to say that the movie avatar is of satan and no christians should see it.. .
he said that he googled the (original) meaning of the word avatar and it was of hindu religious origin.
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Frank75
he googled the (original) meaning
I thought Google and the Internet were Satan? Oh well.
Strange how they insist on running two sets of books, one agenda in private and the platform but in the publications a gentler version of their nonsense:
*** w96 9/1p.21par.8LivingbytheLawoftheChrist***
So all Christians should be careful not to add to the burdens of others by taking it upon themselves to impose their own ideas in matters of personal choice. At times, some write to the Watch Tower Society asking for rulings on such matters as what view they should have of specific films, books, and even toys. Yet, the Society is not authorized to scrutinize such things and to issue judgments on them. In most cases, these are matters that each individual or family head should decide, based on his love of Bible principles. Others tend to turn the Society’s suggestions and guidelines into rules.
I would say that there is much that the WT is not authorized to do....
But someone could share a quote like this with the friends and cast aspersions toward someone in the congregation promoting a contrary position....it will bring you trouble, but you can have fun with the reactions of the rank and file as they try to reconcile it.
Frank75