Posts by Odrade

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(Knock Knock) Who's there?

by Coded Logic in

if jws knocked on your door what would you say?.

i know jws don't really do "ministry" anymore (just leave special campaign tracts at the door and run away as fast as they can so they don't have to talk to anyone) but if they ever actually tried to have a conversation with me i wonder what i would say.

most likely i'd ask about matthew 4:8 where it says the devil took jesus to the top of an unusually high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world.

Odrade

They came here in July and I told them I was happy to be an EX-JW, and that they needed to add me to the do not call list.

However, in the past, I've brought up disfellowshipping, and how the Prodigal Son was welcomed back IMMEDIATELY, and that if disfellowshipping is LOVE and is supposed to be compared to a loving parent, how many loving parents would spank their children every day for a year, for an infraction that they were sorry about?

I have been piously told that I "just don't get it." Nope, I think I get it very well.

You can't really argue scriptural doctrine with most JWs, because they don't know their own doctrine, they are "proofed" against arguments by rote training. They parrot, instead of truly learning their doctrine. But since they equate WT policy with "Jehovah's loving arrangements," it can be somewhat more effective to equate those policies with loving their own children or small family members.

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Question about the HLC and medical records

by OrphanCrow in

the hlc was established after i left the jws.

here in canada, the hlc was piloted back in the early 70s and that is when i had a personal encounter with the men in white shirts and shiny black shoes who took away my right to make medical decisions.. i am not very familiar with the internal doings of the hlc, other than that they hold the jw patient's life in their hands.. when the hospital liaison committee becomes involved in a jw patient's health care, what type of information is sent to the watchtower headquarters, and does the watchtower society receive copies of the patient's medical records?

if so, does the society maintain a database/library of historical medical cases that the hlc has been involved in?

Odrade

This is a very good question, because under ordinary circumstances HIPAA, which is a federal protection, would not allow WT access to your health information unless directly authorized. However, if a JW allows access for the HLC, it may be one of those grey areas (like talking to a medical professional who is submitting for insurance reimbursement, which automatically authorizes disclosure of diagnosis and procedures.) So it seems quite likely that allowing the HLC in as a "counselor" would allow sharing of information within their "network," and by extension, WTS.

However, I don't believe the HLC has ever been given the actual medical records, but more like they were present as a more authorized chaplain, able to sit in on (with patient permission) on consultations and directly advise family members on decisions to be made.

Remember that HLC pre-dates HIPAA, so who knows what the situation was prior to '96. FWIW, I don't remember my father ever storing any kind of medical records during the early days of HLC.

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Site issues: Dec 27 Update

by Simon in

here's the current status:.

performance improvements have been made to make things slicker.. the "remember me" issue should now be fixed.. sign-in captcha can be affected by ad-blockers so consider disabling those.. sign-in email is case-sensitive - until i update this consider using your forum username instead.. ie stalls on "queued for processing" when posting a topic or reply but the post has been made (just navigate to active or refresh the topic if replying).. i will be working through issues today and contacting anyone who had sign-in issues to check if they still have problems.. many thanks again for your patience while we work through these teething problems..

Odrade

The same problem has cropped up for me once in Chrome (latest version, Win7 os). Refresh page shows reply posted though it stuck in "queued."

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New Site Problems

by The Searcher in

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friends

hi simon - i'd sent you an email regarding this problem;.

i cannot see the captcha facility to enable me to prove i'm a humanzee and log-on.

so i could not gain access to my account and participate - despite trying numerous suggestions provided on the internet.. i tried one last thing - i downloaded mozilla firefox (never tried it before) and it by-passes the captcha function and gives me access now.. i look forward to getting acquainted with the new-look web site.. thanks simon..

Odrade

Getting used to the new navigation, but it all seems to be working fine for me, with the exception of the PM counter which says I have -1 new messages. :)

Thanks, it was definitely time for a forum update. (Also, I'm ecstatic to get rid of that silly fairy avatar.)

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Be effective or people will die

by Odrade in

my husband and i have been out of the org for quite some time, but still find that old ideas and values come up and bite us on the ass.. lately, i've been plagued by an increase in the frequency and severity of my nightmares (which have always been an issue,) so i've begun to dream journal.

in just a few days, this realization cropped up.

i can't save people.. i've been blogging again recently.

Odrade

Smiddy and others who have written me kind words to reassure me that I carry no bloodguilt: Thank you. I do know this. My conscious thoughts are pretty well up-to-date on what is wrong with authoritarian religious ideology. Interestingly, I have very few symptoms of PTSD in the daytime, when I'm in control of cognition. I have some very mildly disordered behavior that mostly nobody notices, because it's in the form of thought processes that mainly result in my being a little more self-contained (stand-offish?) and/or intimidating than the average person. Like a protective mechanism, but not to such a degree that I stand out terribly.

At night when the subconscious is in play, however, I continue to have issues, which even a dozen years out of the Org, and after all of the research and deciding I've done, means that I still have symptoms of PTSD, such as nightmares and panic attacks.

I'm attempting to make the connections with early childhood values formed by controlling groups like this, and even though I know the concept of "bloodguilt," as supplied by the JWs and other fundamentalists, is utter rot, it seems that some of those ideas are still trapped in my subconscious.

Interestingly, since writing all of that down, and having the discussion here, I've had a nice week of reprieve from this sort of nightmare. So there is some progressive and therapeutic value in identifying the line of thought. At least for me.

Cheers, all! Don't worry too much about me. :)

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Be effective or people will die

by Odrade in

my husband and i have been out of the org for quite some time, but still find that old ideas and values come up and bite us on the ass.. lately, i've been plagued by an increase in the frequency and severity of my nightmares (which have always been an issue,) so i've begun to dream journal.

in just a few days, this realization cropped up.

i can't save people.. i've been blogging again recently.

Odrade

Data I don't think I could go to one of those things, because while I might be able to remain silent when angry, one statement like that and I'd probably burst out laughing.

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Be effective or people will die

by Odrade in

my husband and i have been out of the org for quite some time, but still find that old ideas and values come up and bite us on the ass.. lately, i've been plagued by an increase in the frequency and severity of my nightmares (which have always been an issue,) so i've begun to dream journal.

in just a few days, this realization cropped up.

i can't save people.. i've been blogging again recently.

Odrade

DATA, you're at the CA??!!! WHY the F would you do that to yourself man? blech.

I've just been poking around the boards again this week, so I don't know what ol' Tony has been saying about the "inactive," but I can imagine. The man's an ass. So at this CA, are they being less or more strident against the inactive?

You know, I swear that their current doctrine all depends on which GB idiot's secretary wrote that particular manuscript. It doesn't seem like there's a lot of consensus in some of these ideas.

Some days I feel like I should make it easy for them and have a goat tattooed on my arm.

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Be effective or people will die

by Odrade in

my husband and i have been out of the org for quite some time, but still find that old ideas and values come up and bite us on the ass.. lately, i've been plagued by an increase in the frequency and severity of my nightmares (which have always been an issue,) so i've begun to dream journal.

in just a few days, this realization cropped up.

i can't save people.. i've been blogging again recently.

Odrade

Magnum and Coded no kidding. I did the letter writing too. I hated it, so I never did it just to mark time, but because the not-at-home and no trespass people needed their chance. Crazy.

Apognophos I think my husband was more like you, he never bought into the death and destruction quite as fully as I did.

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Be effective or people will die

by Odrade in

my husband and i have been out of the org for quite some time, but still find that old ideas and values come up and bite us on the ass.. lately, i've been plagued by an increase in the frequency and severity of my nightmares (which have always been an issue,) so i've begun to dream journal.

in just a few days, this realization cropped up.

i can't save people.. i've been blogging again recently.

Odrade

baltar and steve2 I hope you're right that the WT is generally kinder and gentler regarding bloodguilt. I suspect it varies a bit by congregation, and even more by family.

Wasa Once, I suspect this is a problem particular to born-ins and raised-ins. Yes. It has nothing to do with arrogance ("get over myself") though, it's way more gut-level - almost limbic.

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Finally sent that letter, but not to mom...

by Odrade in

no not that letter.. so we hobbled along with the family relationship.

my parents (super-devout, highly involved and connected in jw-land,) spoke with me occasionally with that sad mopey voice.

at one point about 6 years ago, my mom quit speaking to me.

Odrade

LB, I love your rambling. It's fascinating to me to see the commonalities so many of us raised-ins share.

We are all incredibly strong people to come out the other side of that level of indoctrination, with our lives and personalities as intact as they are.