Oh, that is just too funny.
Posts by Odrade
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4A bible kids might actually enjoy?
by drwtsn32 in.
http://www.thereverend.com/brick_testament/
heh... i might have actually read the bible if it had lots of pictures of cool lego people.
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Do family/relatives still hound you about going back? what do they/you say?
by run dont walk inno lie 10 years after i left, my family still thinks i'm coming back one day, get a grip, the last conversation i had, i kinda lost it a bit with my mom, and more or less said why would i go back, when russell/rutherford made everything up as they went along.
well that was a conversation stopper, and my brother/sister called alittle while back, i mentioned the un thing, child abuse scandals, and a few other things, i am not kidding, they pretended that they new nothing and that these things probaly never happened, just the media making up stories, how do you reason with that ???
i said :" well don't take their word for it, investigate yourself so you know, and read the entire watchtower history 1879-2003, read it yourself, if you are not willing to then shut up !
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Odrade
my parents are hounding me as I type. Right at this exact moment. Ugg. Save me! Save me!
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JW Children and Immunizations
by LDH inwell the not-so-little baby (19 mos) got his next round of shots last night, 5 in all.
he was rightfully indignant, and let the nurse know it.. i mentioned it to my dad in passing, and he was saying that another family member doesn't allow any immunizations of their child.. this person is a df'd-jw hater, and yet the some of the brainwashing has hung on.
now, all 3 of us children are immunized, but i can't discount the brainwashing that the medical establishment has taken at the hands of the wbts.
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Odrade
There's a huge community that believes vaccinations are doing more harm than good. Adverse reactions are commonplace, and often underreported. I'm not saying one way or another, but it's not a JW thing to not vaccinate. Officially, they stay out of it now. Although in some congregations there still may be some people dredging up old WT articles to try and sway people to their personal opinion. Not vaccinating is really more of an alternative medicine, holistic thing.
Mainly the thimerisol (mercury) has been of concern-- look at all the litigation re: MMR vacc and autism. There are some valid arguments and some really ridiculous ones. Here's a link.
http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm
Again, not necessarily my own opinion. Just something from my files...
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I wish he'd make up his mind. Last week there was an article that said he wasn't running because his wife (maria Shriver) didn't want him to.
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This sucks!
by Vivamus ini am weird.
i ll admit it wholeheartedly, i am weird.
i get into these weird sleeping rhythms.
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Odrade
So I guess I'll have to content myself with 4 cups of coffee to wake me up.
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My wifes and I meeting with two elders. Their true colors shine through
by Winston Smith :>D ini thought id give you an update re whats going on.
my qing the wts of recent has been very hard on my wife.
if i could, i would change my timing of doing so, but its just the way it has happened.
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Also, you may find as you attend with her, it lessens her need to go to every meeting. I know when I was still struggling to be a good Dub, I would get so upset when pater wouldn't go. Sometimes I would go alone just to prove a point and also to try and guilt him into going. When he decided to make his last ditch effort to attend in spite of his doctrinal doubts, and his dislike for the descending hordes of preachy elders, I found myself as often as not balking at attending. The burden was then off my shoulders to try and "encourage" him. Whether or not I attended was finally all about me, not him. Finally I was able to also admit how much I hated all of it.
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Got back from my sister's wedding on Monday (long)
by stephaniesays ini had previously posted about my jw parents making my sister miserable over marrying a catholic...well, the wedding was on the 27th.
my sister and her fiancee (now husband) went out of their way to make my ms stepfather and pioneer mother happy.
he gave up a catholic wedding, they gave up a church wedding, they wrote their own vows and worked it to where the man performing the ceremony didn't do the prayer but my sisters husband did (so that he could pray "through" jesus).
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well, one good thing about it... any relatives or guests at the wedding who saw this ridiculous behavior will probably never listen when the Dubs come preachin' around.
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What Was The Nicest / Worst Thing That's Happened To You as a JW?
by minimus infor me, (at the time), being appointed at the age of 24 was my biggest happiness.....the worst thing was leaving my first congregation because certain people wanted me out.......were there any particular highs and lows that you will never forget about being a witness?
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Odrade
Okay, I'm with Minimus here, I'm surprised that there aren't more nice things. After all, the JWs are people, most of them family people--brainwashed or not. They do kind things sometimes, just like anyone else. There's not always an ulterior motive.
I remember one time my Dad and I called on these people in service. We were working one of those dumpy little hotels that are often like the last pit-stop for people who have lost everything. Normally it's just a bunch of old drunks in there. Well this one day, a lady answered the door. She was passing through town with her several children (3-4 of them, all small) in an effort to run away from an abusive spouse. My dad asked if there was anything he could do. The lady asked him for a little food for the kids. just a sandwich or something to keep them going. My dad said he'd be right back. We went down to the grocery story and 1/2 filled a cart with staples and convenience food like cereal, fruit, some pancake mix, sandwich stuff, etc. He spent his whole "allowance" for the week (cash in his wallet) and it was about $50 worth of groceries--this was in the early 80s. We went back to the little hotel, put all this stuff on the porch. He put a bible stories book in the bag for the kids. No preaching, which is pretty restrained for a zealous dub. Then he knocked on the door. The lady came out and started crying. That's all we did.
We never told anyone.
I know there are many stories out there like that. We do tend to focus on our hurt and anger. Personally, I'm starting to try and hold onto the good, nice things. That doesn't mean I'm reaching back for the horrible doctrine of the WTBTS. It just means that I want to remember the good people that I knew and loved, who often did kind things for me. It's a shame they are so indoctrinated that they feel they must curtail their natural kindness when it comes to outsiders, but it does not completely invalidate the kind things they DO accomplish. I know there are many who were NEVER accepted, and endured many horrible things in the organization, and very little good. But I also know there are MANY who came to their senses about the religion but were still sad to be forced to break ties with the good people they know within.
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Just finished reading COC whoa!
by Thunder Rider init took me over a month of reading every night before bed, but last night i finished reading crisis of conscience.
i was amazed by what i read.
the extent of disregard for peoples feelings and lack of human kindness to those who had given a major part of their lives to theocratic service, made me sick.
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Let me add my little voice to the recommendation for "In Search of Christian Freedom."
pater has been reading me bits and pieces of it. It has a very long section on the cruelty and unscripturality of disfellowshipping, as well as many other "core" doctrines. He won't let me have it till he's done, but I've managed to sneak it from him a couple of times. It's fascinating, and it really does help dispel some of those deeply buried nagging guilt. I have almost no "maybe they're not SOOO wrong" doubting thoughts after having read Mr. Franz' books, and for that, I thank him (and others that I've met here.)
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Did you ever attend a NonJW Funeral?
by AuntieJane inmy brother died suddenly.
his funeral was in the catholic church.
his 2 jw children and their offspring actually stood in the back of the church, behind a glass wall, and observed the service.
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Odrade
Oh man, Auntie Jane, I just read this thread from the beginning. I answered only the title question without reading your story about your brother. I'm sorry. It was really insensitive of me to respond like that. I mean, my story is true, but I'm so sorry for your brother, and the way the JW family members behaved was disgraceful.
We didn't go to the reception following because the JW power hitters in our family deemed it "unacceptable" because the reception was being held in the church rec. room. That has always bothered me that I went along with it, but that is what "good Witnesses" do. How disrespectful. I wish I had gotten out sooner. So many times that I left my commonsense at home...*sigh*
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