Posts by sunny23

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Jesus Christ's horrible death

by Crazyguy in

it amazes me how much thinking one does when you're out of the cult.

i mean another thread got me thinking about the story of jesus death.

so adam breaks a little test lives for 900 plus years and then dies of natural causes.

No Perry its not just about death in general. The process leading to the death is what is in question here in specific torture and agony and if thats necessary. Putting a dog to sleep and then stopping its heart can not be equated to slowly using a steak knife over many hours to saw at, stab and bleed the conscious dog out, got it? Adam had it easy compared to Jesus, and Jesus would have had it easy if he was born in the US in 2014, in fact he would have had to kill himself or God would have to "put it in someones heart" to kill jesus but I doubt it would be as torturous.

God allows man the ability to sin, man sins, God makes man suffer and die for sin for several thousands of years, God then comes to earth at a time before cameras and internet in order to die a miserable torturous death so that He balances out some giant divine sin scale that he could not in all his power be able to balance otherwise..ooh and because he loves us sooo much. Stupid. If your wife came in to the bedroom and slit her wrists to show you how much she loved you or worse killed herself, would you buy it? This concept of invisible sin that only Jesus death could give attonement for is ridiculous the more you think about it.

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MY CONCLUSION IS: 'GOD' DOESN'T EXIST

by NAVYTOWN in

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friends

i have come to the conclusion that there is no god.

period!!!

if there was a loving, righteous, all-knowing, all powerful god up there somewhere, where is he and what good is he???

sunny23

transportu:

God at an atomic level is far too complex to have just always existed without something creating HIM.

In fact He is far more complex than anything we know. If higher levels of complexity means a greater need to have been created then your logic is flawed when God is most complex ;)

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Was the Biblical Canon Directed by God?

by Chris Tann in

this is a question a sincere christian may agonize over after learning that some books of the bible were rejected by certain early christian groups,while other books that did not make the canon were accepted.

also,when one realizes that so called inspired writers of the greek scriptures quote from apocrypha,that most christians reject today,one wonders if these writings that include these quotes should even be in the bible.. it is true that when it comes to the christian greek scriptures the canon has been closed for many centuries.

also, these books have been accepted by christians ever since the second,perhaps first,century.

sunny23

"I get my morals from the 10 commandments. I'm about to go do as God commands and kill all of my neighbors I see doing yard work on this fine Sabbath day. This is getting very tiresome to do each week now. I really need to sharpen my machete but I think that would be work and then I would have to kill myself. Actually this whole act of killing all those who don't observe God's Holy day is starting to seem like a lot of work. Oh I know, I will devote Mondays to my infidel killings!" thoughts of a man before God sent his Son so mankind wouldn't have to kill sabbath day workers anymore lol

"The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

What a mean twisted arse. Killing off people who do work on a day thats special to you? And then sending your son and now people just need to show love and not kill anyone for any reason? Dumb. Hopefully the bible canon wasn't directed by any God at all because that would be so sad! And to those who believe in Jesus, even Jesus acknowledged and referenced the 10 commandments as being from God and summed them up into just LOVE so denying that jesus said what is in the bible makes it a much larger leap of faith to even believe he existed at all if you can't take the bibles word for anything.

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MY CONCLUSION IS: 'GOD' DOESN'T EXIST

by NAVYTOWN in

jw
friends

i have come to the conclusion that there is no god.

period!!!

if there was a loving, righteous, all-knowing, all powerful god up there somewhere, where is he and what good is he???

sunny23

You can choose to help others anyway you can, that is really all we can do that makes life have meaning. Atheism aids predatory behavior for there is only the law of the jungle as the basic truth.

That first sentence embodies the outlook and mindset of all atheists i know including myself. look up secular humanism.

If there is no God, there can be no energy, energy was created, but it could not have been produced from non-energy.

Likewise, God is energy, energy could not have been produced from non energy, thus God is energy that has no beginning and this concept is equally abstract as the concept that enery was produced from non-eneregy or the concept that the energy needed for the big bang always existed. So lets throw out what you said because it's an invalid excuse. Instead look at the failed logic of the concept of YHWH

epi

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Mental Disorders among JW's

by Blackfalcon98 in

hi everyone, im begining to notice patterns of mental issues in the congregations and among the witnesses as a group.

do you think this is a trend in the entire world or is it exagerated in this organization?.

.

sunny23

So he blatantly is breaking patient confidence? Give me his name, and I'll have him sued and losing his profession within five monites.

Calm down bro, not that big a deal in this scenario. I personally abide by HIPAA in my field of work and there are definitely much more serious concerns well above a person talking to their family about pills people they know take. If you got so much fire in you direct it at real information exploiters like the NSA lol. Not that you could realistically have anyone sued in my fathers particular scenario with only his name and wherabouts lol. hearsay, conjecture, lack of examples and evidence, etc.

Talesin thanks for the articles. Looking back and sometimes still coming in contact with JW's i've known and I get a sense that something is severely off about some of them beyond just a social awkwardness and delusion. I think perhaps that more "exclusive" appocalyptic religions like JW cult tend to attract and keep a higher ratio of "crazies" than say religions like buddhism.

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JW Net documentary

by snare&racket in

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i would like to make a documentary with help from the same technology that got me free of watchtower, namely the internet.

also via the same people that helped me leave, namely...you lot!.

i want to make the documentary that jw's find when they google jw.org.

sunny23

I'm in, never held status above microphone runner though. I know of 2 guys and their wives who were elders who faded out, hate the org, and might be up for it.

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Mental Disorders among JW's

by Blackfalcon98 in

hi everyone, im begining to notice patterns of mental issues in the congregations and among the witnesses as a group.

do you think this is a trend in the entire world or is it exagerated in this organization?.

.

sunny23

My father who is still a JW is also a Pharmacist and now attends his 3rd different congregation in a different state from the first 2 and likes to talk about all of the anti-psychotics he fills or has filled for fellow JW's from each of the congs including one of the ANNOINTED. Also very many anti-depressants and the occasional plan-b's, talk about awkward.

I remember growing up and watching him "make rounds" after the meetings talking to all of the people he fills scripts for to see how they are doing and to give them professional advice on their side effects. He put on a certain posture and visibly felt very important in those role as most of our cong was uneducated beyond high school. He got addicted to this i believe and is probably what he looks forward to most.

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MY CONCLUSION IS: 'GOD' DOESN'T EXIST

by NAVYTOWN in

jw
friends

i have come to the conclusion that there is no god.

period!!!

if there was a loving, righteous, all-knowing, all powerful god up there somewhere, where is he and what good is he???

sunny23

"Universal sovereignty" argument is fallible. I prescribed to it even 9 months ago when I was using that argument on these forums. Also the "free will" argument is even worse. This showcases it's fallacies in a humorous way...

http://youtu.be/Z1BzP1wr234

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Looking for Alan F's essay

by BluesBrother in

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can anybody help me find on line the essay about the watchtower' s deceptive use of quotations?

i mean the one where alan goes to bethel and has a meeting with a senior person from the writing dept, and he can see no wrong in misrepresenting anothers words, if it makes a good quote.. alan's old on line url of geocities,com/osarif does not seem to be up any more .

i would like to use this in discussion with an ex elder of my acquaintance.. thank you..

sunny23

makers marked

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Preterism

by Chris Tann in

when i started to do my research concerning ttatt, i started to see the scriptures in a different light.

one thing i noticed is that when the epistles talk about the last days, christs presence, the ressurection to heaven; the writers were speaking specifically of their time, not some two thousand years later.

even when jesus speaks of his presence and the kingdom being established, he was talking to his disciples of that time and what they were soon to expect.

sunny23

"when I die thats it for me. I get depressed thinking about that."

Many times on these forums theists will argue until they are blue in the face and it comes down to this fear of dying without afterlife. Afterlife gives time on earth LESS meaning wheras without it, there is MORE meaning NOW! When I stopped believing in an afterlife, my desire to improve my quality of life and those around me simply exploded to new levels. I have a much better loving connection with my parents. I didn't use to be inclined to pursue hardly anything positive before with a mindset of "well so long as i'm 'good,' I have all of eternity to do whatever I want so whats the rush?"

It's all about mindset Chris. You can choose to look at things pessimistically or not. If you can not shake a mistakenly depressive mindset from thinking about dying without afterlife, then you will most likely dismiss ANY facts that go against God or the Bible so approach this with an open and opptimistic mindset. ALSO, Consider this viewpoint please http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxkqz7-DmsE