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  Lying Elder???

  by Confucious in

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  this is a bizarre thread.

  but i was talking to an elder and he was asking me if i've sinned.

  but we are all unclean.

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  To me, the attitude of the elder is what is fundamentally wrong with this religion.

  Basically, as Jesus said, they are a white washed grave.

  They chose, the appearance of being clean - over being clean thorugh the blood of the Christ.

  That is - basically saying that you are NOT clean on your own innitiative.

  I think it's so distructive to create a facade of righteousness.

  There you then have an option... play into the "I'm so holy" routine or try your best and become depressed over it (that is... falling short).
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  Lying Elder???

  by Confucious in

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  this is a bizarre thread.

  but i was talking to an elder and he was asking me if i've sinned.

  but we are all unclean.

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  Confucious

  I didn't think about it at the time...

  But I should have turned to the other elder that was with him and said... "And now do you believe me that he's full of sh*t?"
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  Lying Elder???

  by Confucious in

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  this is a bizarre thread.

  but i was talking to an elder and he was asking me if i've sinned.

  but we are all unclean.

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  Confucious

  These comments are hillarious.

  Didn't think about that "No and you never lied either?"

  But I can see how these people can "Justify" themselves saying that they need to be "upbuilding or encouraging."

  But in reality how DISCOURAGING is this?

  I mean, he followed up his answer by saying "NO. (I never masterbated EVER (and he said ever) or fantasied about a women) because I'm afraid of displeasing Jehovah."

  I mean he REALLY said that.

  But see, when I was in the troof and a MS and a Pioneer, it was DEVESTATING to me because I always felt so unclean.

  It would be better off for someone to be honest to say, "sure I wack it" than for me to go on thinking that somehow I was some perverted and weak man because I couldn't get a "grip" on it. (sorry for the pun, couldn't resist.)

  My point to the elder was pretty much, "Dude... do you know that we are ALL unclean?"

  Guess I was wrong about him, LOL.
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  Lying Elder???

  by Confucious in

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  this is a bizarre thread.

  but i was talking to an elder and he was asking me if i've sinned.

  but we are all unclean.

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  Confucious

  
  Ok...

  This is a bizarre thread.

  But I was talking to an elder and he was asking me if I've sinned.

  And I said, "Yes. But we are all unclean."

  So then he says, "Yes, but have you been immoral."

  And the truth is, yes to that too. But to try to "reason" with the man - I asked...

  "And so you think YOU are clean? Your telling me you never masturbated?"

  And the elder looked me dead in the eye and said, "No."

  So I said, "Wow... and you're telling me - in front of Jehovah, that you never fantasied about another woman before?" (hoping to make the connection that - he who looks... has already committed adultry in his heart. - thus showing that he was a hypocrite.)

  And he again, looked me dead in the eye and said, "No - that he never had a fantasy about another woman."

  So I guess my plan backfired???
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  Are Circuit Overseers Getting Discouraged?

  by metatron in

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  a sister i know went out with the c.o.

  's wife in service recently.

  sister c.o.

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  Confucious

  
  X BE HERE...

  You are right.

  I can talk very candidly about it now.

  I'm a different person now.

  That kid - me... back then.

  That kid was full of gusto for the "truth."

  The Head Elder (and yes... there is a head elder in every congregation)... anyway the most prominent and powerful elder - the leader... was a jealous man. After all, how can it be that we were both pioneers - but one of us was a success both in the "truth" and out.

  I pioneere'd just like him.

  My wife pioneered just like his wife.

  Only difference was I was driving a Lexus. And that drove him mad. Confucious
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  Are Circuit Overseers Getting Discouraged?

  by metatron in

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  a sister i know went out with the c.o.

  's wife in service recently.

  sister c.o.

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  Confucious

  
  Wow...
  

  It's been a long long time since I've written in this forum.

  But this thread just about made me cry.

  My now ex-wife and I pioneered all through our 20's.

  My goal and and hers was to become Circuit Overseers.

  I wish I could relate how PURE this desire was in my heart.

  I REALLY wanted to serve.

  There was no ulterior motive.

  In the "world" I was already prominent. I was making good money.

  I had this plan to be competely debt free by 35 - with our own paid off condo and money in the bank that we wouldn't touch unless we had to come off the Circuit work.

  Everything was going as planned. By age 30 I was right on target. No kids... Pioneering 10 years. Good back up money.

  But the jealousy of local body of elders was so unbelievable unrelenting.

  It bothered them so much that someone could be both successful in the world and yet - also successful in the organization.

  The loved to nit-pick me.

  Anyway, one of the last straws was they appointed the guy I studied the Bible with when I was 20 - to be come an Elder BEFORE me.

  Basically, I studied with the guy. The guy gets baptised. Never pioneers. And becomes MY ELDER.

  Meanwhile, I was pioneering since the day he got baptised.

  Both me and my wife both pioneered.

  Anyway... long story short.

  Looking back now at age 36. I am no longer going to the meetings.

  I have a new life now.

  But I look back at the gusto I had as a young man.

  If I may talk about myself in the third person...

  Here you have this young man with all this zeal to choose a life that would be undoubtedly tough. And yet the elders did NOTHING to encourage me.

  Basically, I was a young "superstar" with abilities for the hard job of a CO and they derailed me.

  To give you an idea of my speaking abilities... today, while I'm not a speaker.

  When I do decided to give a lecture - I get $250 per head and people pay it.

  SAD. Just SAD.

  Today, I am a free man - my spirtuality is deep - and I see through all the hypocrisy of the organizaiton.

  And I guess it's a good thing this happened... if it didn't - I wouldn't have investigated the organization like I did.

  But it's just sad.

  You take a young man with a lot of heart. And you railroad him.

  Nice going.
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  I'm going to try to go... Confucious' Farewell...

  by Confucious in

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  i'm going to try it for the sake of myself.

  from this day onward.

  i'm going to try and stay away from anything jw related.

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  Confucious

  I'm going to try it for the sake of MYSELF.
  
  From this day onward. I'm going to try and stay away from ANYTHING JW related.
  
  This includes this board.
  
  I've made SO MANY friends on this board... But I'm going to give it a try and stay away.
  
  I won't even check this thread.
  
  If I can't handle it, I'll come back... But it will be at least 6 months from now.
  
  But I think it's time for me to fly here.
  
  I'm kind of like a college kid ready to cut his ties, but I know I need to do this.
  
  Guys, know that you really helped.
  
  Simon - thanks. I've been hard on you at first, but all in good fun.
  
  Thank you Brummie, Da Cheech, Lady Lee, Blondie and too many to thank.
  
  But I'm WELL at this point and ready to move on.
  
  I LOVE YOU ALL!!!
  
  Won't read this thread. But LOVE YOU ALL.
  
  Sincerely,
  
  Confucious
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  Nothing like a "How are you doing?" to ram it up their a$$...

  by Confucious in

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  an old jw fried emailed me.

  but this was my response... .

  hey ****, .

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  Confucious

  An old JW fried emailed me.
  
  Couldn't help it. But this was my response...
  
  Hey ****,
  
  Hmmm, where to begin.
  
  I guess I'll just give you the updates on the past year - the good and the bad.
  
  1) **** and I are now divorced.
  
  2) **** is now living in **** and she is remarried unscripturally.
  
  3) She should have been disfellowshipped but she never was.
  
  4) The elders didn't do anything to help our marriage.
  
  5) I was never disfellowshipped, but none of the elders nor did any of the two CO's in the past two years bother to call on me despite repeated requests.
  
  6) I am very happy and have found a beautiful new girl.
  
  ****. I love you dearly. But what can I say about this religion that I bought into when I was 18?
  
  Right now I still go to the meetings every once in awhile. I'm pretty public in everything I do. But they won't disfellowship me.
  
  The elders know they goofed with me.
  
  I don't blame **** (my wife) at all. But the CO at the time didn't even show up when **** (my wife) said I was suicidal and requested a visit.
  
  The Police came to my door before I was ready to hang myself.
  
  My physician treated me... For FREE for my depression and gave me FREE medication.
  
  But my spiritual doctors? They told me to take a hike.
  
  That's why I'm able to openly live with a woman (everybody knows) and go to the meetings when I want and at the same time - stay in good standing with the congregation.
  
  Elders won't touch me with a ten foot pole. Because they know they goofed and it's more embarrassing for them to bring anything up.
  
  (That's it guys. Just get touchy sometimes)
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  All Secret Santa Paricipants sign in here please!

  by Gadget in

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  the details of who to send a gift to will be getting pm'd to you all either friday afternoon or saturday morning!

  according to the information i've found online the last posting day for standard parcels is dec 11th for usa and december 15th for the uk/europe, so you should all have plenty of time to select and send a gift, although sending sooner rather than later is prefered.

  can everyone taking part post on this thread what things they like, what their interests are etc so that the person who is buying a gift for you has some idea what to get you.

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  Confucious

  WHOMEVER IS A SECRET SANTA for Confucious...
  
  I smoke cigars... And if you can't find a good one... Some sex toys would be fine ;-)
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  Hi, I'm new too.

  by KBelly in

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  hi guys.

  always great to hear from people who know where you're coming from.

  i was raised a jw since 2 years old.

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  Confucious

  KBelly,
  
  Welcome.
  
  One thing I learned about being here... YOU ARE NOT ALONE.
  
  Con